OT: Deflategate: Powerful Accusations & Well Written.

[malevocalist#]

Goodell The Liar. Powerful. But all the haters who knew nothing...Filled with grudges against the Goat. Swallowed The Greatest Lie Ever Told.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...003de0-e172-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html

 

[Intpseeker]

Imagine that...

 

[malevocalist#]

Air comes out of car tires, bicycles, basketballs, and ballons etc. and just about anything containing air. Thats why they have pumps etc. So what in the blue moon ever made Goodell thought a football was airproof? SMH.

 

[TitleTown]

IMHO Brady obviously had the balls doctored but so does every other QB in the NFL.

 

[malevocalist#]

IMHO Brady obviously had the balls doctored but so does every other QB in the NFL.

Obviously you didn't read the link. The statement you make is an allegation many ran with based on pure assumptions of a (Hater's Belief) they wanted to believe.

No witness, evidence etc. and yet many with that same opinion jumped aboard and rode that hater train for ENDLESS miles. And riding still it as I see.

Saying everyone did it is another way of fostering evidence where there is none. And i assume since every QB in the league did it, then we must include the Goat as well?

There are some people in the world a who dispise and hate cheating.

Is everyone in the world a pedophile, a murderer because of some?

Should we assume all are criminals because it runs in the family? So because some chose to do seek advantages that effects my neutrality?

It all begined with an assumption. lies, allegations, and fragments of history to give it some plausibility riding on the backs of a judgemental fan base regarding those who dispise the success of the goat

But soon the real truth will be known.

Air exits everything it enters. Why is a football an exception to that rule?

Why do we ignore the fact he played better with inflated balls in the 2nd half than deflated balls in the first half?

Hmmm

 

[meyers7]

Wow, Sally Jenkins, the TN/Summit-Head shill, writing in support of a New Englander.

What next, dogs and cats mating, Buckeyes and Wolverines dating. What is happening?

 

[malevocalist#]

Wow, Sally Jenkins, the TN/Summit-Head shill, writing in support of a New Englander.

What next, dogs and cats mating, Buckeyes and Wolverines dating. What is happening?

Let me answer this...Ummm. The truth? The Truth.

 

[Tidepool]

Goodell The Liar. Powerful. But all the haters who knew nothing...Filled with grudges against the Goat. Swallowed The Greatest Lie Ever Told.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...003de0-e172-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html

Am attaching the brief to which Sally Jenkins refers

 

[vtcwbuff]

There was some kid (8th grader?) on the local news a couple of days ago that did a deflate gate science project. His conclusions were that the balls lost an average of 2 PSI after being inflated at normal room temperature and then taken to the field where temperatures were much lower. The TV station submitted his research to an MIT professor who agreed with his findings.

I think 2 PSI was the pressure difference that the NFL complained about.

 

[UcMiami]

I had read the brief when it was originally published and it is pretty strong. Interesting that Sally and the WaPost published this now, though the WaPost has been pretty scathing about Goodell and the NFL all along.

 

[schmendrick]

Then why call someone the Deflator? Why the destroyed cell phone? Why the initial awkward, fumbling press conference before Tommy Boy was lawyered up?

 

[meyers7]

Then why call someone the Deflator? Why the destroyed cell phone? Why the initial awkward, fumbling press conference before Tommy Boy was lawyered up?

Why charge someone with no evidence? Why lie?

 

[UcMiami]

There was some kid (8th grader?) on the local news a couple of days ago that did a deflate gate science project. His conclusions were that the balls lost an average of 2 PSI after being inflated at normal room temperature and then taken to the field where temperatures were much lower. The TV station submitted his research to an MIT professor who agreed with his findings.

I think 2 PSI was the pressure difference that the NFL complained about.

Which is only a valid issue if you disregard the ref's clear recollection of which gauge he used in his initial tests, but believe his recollection of the exact pressure he measured. Prior to the world focusing on air pressure, do you really think a guy with lots of things to do in the hours leading up to the game, in the process of measuring 24 footballs would actually notice 12.4 vs 12.6 on the gauge and go find a pump? It wasn't a digital gauge so the needle was sort of in the middle between 12 and 13 so ... good enough - he sure wasn't recording anything.

The real problem with the whole situation is that people try to bring scientific experimental rigor to a situation after the fact, that at no time in real time displayed any type of controlled environment. They didn't record the air temperature and humidity in the locker room when the balls were initially inflated, nor when the ref checked them, nor on the field during the first half, nor when they returned them to the room at half time. They didn't record the measurements pre game, they didn't record the timing of each measurement at half time, they didn't sequester the balls after the contest, they didn't record the moisture content of the leather. They used cheap gauges throughout and switched around which gauges they were using and then lost control of them completely. In their attempt at recording measurements accurately at half time they can only explain one of the pair of measurements by saying it must have been transposed. The situation was a three ring circus, that they then pretend can be subject to careful scientific scrutiny - a true scientist would look at the whole thing and say absolutely no conclusions can be drawn with greater than 50% certainty. A company being paid a lot of money to come to a conclusion can by making a series of unsupported assumptions arrive at a result that is maybe slanted 60/40 one way or the other - whichever way their employer prefers.

 

[UcMiami]

I think the most telling thing in this whole fiasco is that the NFL actually kept tight control of footballs this year and of their pregame inflation measurements, something they had never done before (18 whole steps of new procedures to do it), and then proceeded to do random complete tests of footballs during halftimes of games this season, but supposedly has not retained any of those measurements nor published them, and has no intention of doing so.
Does anyone really believe those measurements would support their deflate gate theory, and yet they would not publish them? Goodell has been roasted in a number of places and he is a vain man - if he had iron clad proof that the Patriot game was anomalous it would have been leaked to every 'insider' in the NFL pantheon and blasted across the media in minutes. The silence on that front is absolutely deafening.

 

[malevocalist#]

I think the most telling thing in this whole fiasco is that the NFL actually kept tight control of footballs this year and of their pregame inflation measurements, something they had never done before (18 whole steps of new procedures to do it), and then proceeded to do random complete tests of footballs during halftimes of games this season, but supposedly has not retained any of those measurements nor published them, and has no intention of doing so.
Does anyone really believe those measurements would support their deflate gate theory, and yet they would not publish them? Goodell has been roasted in a number of places and he is a vain man - if he had iron clad proof that the Patriot game was anomalous it would have been leaked to every 'insider' in the NFL pantheon and blasted across the media in minutes. The silence on that front is absolutely deafening.

Great Point

 

[schmendrick]

Why charge someone with no evidence? Why lie?

How does naming someone The Deflator in a text not constitute evidence?
How does the absurdity of explaining the coining of that name as someone who was trying to lose weight not constitute evidence?
How does destroying a cell phone not constitute evidence, albeit circumstantial?
And why were the clubhouse guy and the equipment manager so effectively silenced?

 

[Husky25]

How does naming someone The Deflator in a text not constitute evidence?
How does the absurdity of explaining the coining of that name as someone who was trying to lose weight not constitute evidence?
How does destroying a cell phone not constitute evidence, albeit circumstantial?
And why were the clubhouse guy and the equipment manager so effectively silenced?

Are you serious?

 

[malevocalist#]

How does naming someone The Deflator in a text not constitute evidence?
How does the absurdity of explaining the coining of that name as someone who was trying to lose weight not constitute evidence?
How does destroying a cell phone not constitute evidence, albeit circumstantial?
And why were the clubhouse guy and the equipment manager so effectively silenced?

They didn't name someone the deflater...The deflater called himself that regarding in reference to him losing weight. The NFL constituted it as evidence. Not evidence. Circumstantial Assumptions.

Someone calling themselves the deflater never mentioned footballs in conjunction with that sentence cannot be deemed evidence.

And the club house guy was interviewed and interrogated by the league. And they had the texts of his phone regarding his conversaions with Brady. So why the need for Brady's phone? Makes no sense.

Wells even told Brady he didn't need his phone. And Brady still had the texts relating to that phone and was willing to forward it.

I say he did the right thing giving the league did disseminated private information related to those texts but unrelated to the alleged incident and unreliable information accusing one of wrong doing.

 

[kibblesnbits]

The only communication in any text about football game pressure was regarding the Jets game when Brady was unhappy that the balls were over-inflated to 16 lbs. If McNally was supposed to deflate the balls why didn't he do it for that game? Why did Jastremski say they were supposed to be 13 lbs if McNally was supposed to get them down to 10-11? Why didn't the texts show any concern for their supposed plan not working?

If not for that one "Deflator" reference, which occurred in the off-season and was not in a message about football inflation, the NFL would have had nothing at all. So they threw it out there repeatedly and even lied about when and how often it was stated. That alone should tell you they had no case. Then they had to make a big deal about a cell phone they had already told Brady they didn't need (and which no union lawyer would have ever permitted to be turned over anyway because it would set a terrible precedent regarding league authority over a player's personal property). Of course they already had his texts with the equipment guys that showed nothing so they knew having the other side of the same conversation was meaningless. Lastly, they lied about Brady's statements regarding his communication with the equipment guys after the AFCCG. Why so many lies if they actually had a case?

 

[UcMiami]

How does naming someone The Deflator in a text not constitute evidence? Referred to himself as the deflator ONCE in a text sent in June 4 months since he had last touched a Patriot football and three months before he would next touch a Patriot football - how do you connect this to footballs at all, except as a retrospective thing in trying to stitch someone up. Sort of like looking at someone who is suspected of committing a murder and finding a text from 10 months earlier in which he texted his friend calling himself 'killer' - no doubt about picking up a girl or winning a video game, but now full of obvious meaning taken out of context.
How does the absurdity of explaining the coining of that name as someone who was trying to lose weight not constitute evidence? Go ahead and do a search for Deflate and Weight Loss - not coined by him or anyone connected with the Patriots at all.
How does destroying a cell phone not constitute evidence, albeit circumstantial? After being told by the chief investigator that it was irrelevant? And with an NFL office that was a sieve of leaks most of which were false some of which were personal and unrelated to the NFL at all.
And why were the clubhouse guy and the equipment manager so effectively silenced? After the they had been interrogated twice, the second time identified by agreement with Wells as 'final' unless new and compelling evidence required it, which he then refused to identify, citing only texts that had been in his possession for a month before the second interview and that had clearly already been reviewed. And after it had become clear that Wells was working on a frame up for the NFL.

 

[ndmb]

The greatest lie ever told, lol

 

[Scud49]

One superb analysis:

 

[meyers7]

Are you serious?

Sadly, I think he is. I wouldn't pay too much attention to him, he's basically a schmendrick.

(yea, I had to look it up)

 

[malevocalist#]

The only communication in any text about football game pressure was regarding the Jets game when Brady was unhappy that the balls were over-inflated to 16 lbs. If McNally was supposed to deflate the balls why didn't he do it for that game? Why did Jastremski say they were supposed to be 13 lbs if McNally was supposed to get them down to 10-11? Why didn't the texts show any concern for their supposed plan not working?

If not for that one "Deflator" reference, which occurred in the off-season and was not in a message about football inflation, the NFL would have had nothing at all. So they threw it out there repeatedly and even lied about when and how often it was stated. That alone should tell you they had no case. Then they had to make a big deal about a cell phone they had already told Brady they didn't need (and which no union lawyer would have ever permitted to be turned over anyway because it would set a terrible precedent regarding league authority over a player's personal property). Of course they already had his texts with the equipment guys that showed nothing so they knew having the other side of the same conversation was meaningless. Lastly, they lied about Brady's statements regarding his communication with the equipment guys after the AFCCG. Why so many lies if they actually had a case?

You bring up a very important point about the phone. NFL...Knowing that They had all the information of a phone conversation already.

...It was fruitless to ask for TB12 phone. Unless something more sinister was at work.

Now I'm assuming here...They knew Brady would not give up his phone. They are not stupid toward player's policies regarding private property. But let's ask him for it anyway. So he could look guilty before the public by refusing, which said public was unaware of the player's policy.

This was just another tactical ploy of the NFL. They knew public opinon - who were ignorant toward player's policies - would weigh in and declare him guilty. And knew they would never get a phone. For which information they already had pertaining to the phone. Well I'll be dam.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Wow, Sally Jenkins, the TN/Summit-Head shill, writing in support of a New Englander.

What next, dogs and cats mating, Buckeyes and Wolverines dating. What is happening?

Mass hysteria!