OT: Chiro Adjustments

[Hey Adrien!]

I had my first chiro adjustment yesterday and, surprisingly to me, the results were immediate.

Backstory: I sprained my neck in January of 2023 and ever since then I've felt way more tension in the base of my neck and shoulders, especially when stressed. Tension headaches and I also get migraines after colds.

Anyways, I had a consultation yesterday by a chiro that does the zone method. Basically different misalignments of the spine affect six different zones: , eliminative, nervous, digestive, muscular and circulatory. My muscular zone was the most out of whack (makes sense after injury) and I have minor misalignment to the eliminative zone and nervous system zone.

Long story short, it felt amazing and I slept the best sleep I've had in weeks. My body feels a little funny after the adjustment, but overall tension has gone down a ton.

Anyone else experience this method of chiro adjustment before? Physical benefits or just a psychosomatic honeymoon?

 

[GlastonTim]

Been a few times. Never received any benefit. That you seem to always have to go back for more doesn’t sit well with me. Always had more success with physical therapy.

 

[TRest]

Logged in from work just to warn you: google chiropractic neck adjustments and risk of stroke. Results be damned, you can use other modalities like electrical muscle stimulation, ice/heat, massage, etc but I wouldn't ever let a chiro adjust your spine.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Logged in from work just to warn you: google chiropractic neck adjustments and risk of stroke. Results be damned, you can use other modalities like electrical muscle stimulation, ice/heat, massage, etc but I wouldn't ever let a chiro adjust your spine.

I’ve learned my lesson…googling medical stuff is not for me lol.

 

[Dove]

You wrote there are 6 zones, but listed 5. What is that 6th zone?

I gots to know.

 

[CL82]

You wrote there are 6 zones, but listed 5. What is that 6th zone?

I gots to know.

"You can't handle the sixth the zone"​

 

[HuskyHawk]

I had my first chiro adjustment yesterday and, surprisingly to me, the results were immediate.

Backstory: I sprained my neck in January of 2023 and ever since then I've felt way more tension in the base of my neck and shoulders, especially when stressed. Tension headaches and I also get migraines after colds.

Anyways, I had a consultation yesterday by a chiro that does the zone method. Basically different misalignments of the spine affect six different zones: , eliminative, nervous, digestive, muscular and circulatory. My muscular zone was the most out of whack (makes sense after injury) and I have minor misalignment to the eliminative zone and nervous system zone.

Long story short, it felt amazing and I slept the best sleep I've had in weeks. My body feels a little funny after the adjustment, but overall tension has gone down a ton.

Anyone else experience this method of chiro adjustment before? Physical benefits or just a psychosomatic honeymoon?

I find it can help, but I think the frequency of maintenance level adjustments is more or less a scam. When I have a specific problem it definitely helps.

If you do regular yoga or Pilates I think it becomes unnecessary. But If you spend too much time sitting at a desk looking at a screen, or injure something, definitely can help.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I’ve spent my 12 post-undergrad years in the rehabilitation world and those “zones” sound like absolute woowoo BS. Glad this initial session brought you relief (Good insight on your part to wonder if it’s a momentary relief; that’s exactly what it is), but I would highly highly highly recommend you find yourself a good physical therapist before this guy gets you hurt bad. They’re the actual doctors who will fix the underlying reason you “needed” a chiropractor in the first place.

 

[uconnfan68]

Logged in from work just to warn you: google chiropractic neck adjustments and risk of stroke. Results be damned, you can use other modalities like electrical muscle stimulation, ice/heat, massage, etc but I wouldn't ever let a chiro adjust your spine.

I get that, but it helped me avoid a fusion. Had a pinch in my neck area, that basically caused me to lose my tricep muscles on both sides. My left arm was almost useless and hurt to the point where I had to hold it while driving to work. After my neuro consult (who recommended a fusion), I went back to the chiro who made an adjustment, and the pain went to the right side, then disappeared after a week. I haven't been back in a few years (since retiring), but they helped me a few times. Wholeheartedly endorse PT too, which I've been using instead of cortisone shots.

 

[Deepster]

You wrote there are 6 zones, but listed 5. What is that 6th zone?

I gots to know.

Do you still gots google?

Zone 6: The Circulatory System

Our circulatory system consists of our heart, all of our veins and arteries as well as our lymphatic system. Here is how chiro can help!

moorelifehealth.com

 

[moochi278]

Logged in from work just to warn you: google chiropractic neck adjustments and risk of stroke. Results be damned, you can use other modalities like electrical muscle stimulation, ice/heat, massage, etc but I wouldn't ever let a chiro adjust your spine.

In regards to chiropractic cervical adjustments. The only risk of stroke and or injury is when a chiropractic cervical adjustment is attempted by a non chiropractic Dr. as per the quack study done many years ago. The study only registered chiropractic "type" manipulations and injuries that occurred from them. The only documented injuries were performed by medical doctors, physical therapists, and hair dressers. All non trained in specific cervical spine chiropractic adjustments This study has been since disproven that actual Chiropractors trained in these type of adjustments to be dangerous. Unfortunately this myth still persists to this day as proven by your comment. . Electric stim is fine for acute injuries and will provide palliative temporary relief. Ice heat and massage are excellent again for supportive care. It is a shame that you won't ever receive the benefit of Chiropractic care seeing that it not only helps in acute satiations, but also reduces stress and inference on your overall body , and nervous system in turn allowing a person a much better quality of life, and aids in overall longevity.

 

[moochi278]

I’ve spent my 12 post-undergrad years in the rehabilitation world and those “zones” sound like absolute woowoo BS. Glad this initial session brought you relief (Good insight on your part to wonder if it’s a momentary relief; that’s exactly what it is), but I would highly highly highly recommend you find yourself a good physical therapist before this guy gets you hurt bad. They’re the actual doctors who will fix the underlying reason you “needed” a chiropractor in the first place.

I just want to be clear are you stating that Chiropractors are not actual doctors and PTs are?

 

[Rocktheworld]

I just want to be clear are you stating that Chiropractors are not actual doctors and PTs are?

If one were to weigh out the evidence-based rigors through which a DPT vs a Chiropractor earns their certifications, and the focus on preventive vs reactive therapies valued in each practice, I would bet a DPT is more a doctor than a Chiropractor.

Nobody should need a Chiropractor if they have a good PT. Having a chiropractor won’t stop one from needing a good PT. Chiropractors just cash in on chronic issues, whereas PTs treat underlying causes of pain.

And, again, these “zones” sound like woowoo BS they only speak of in Chiropractor echo chambers. I’ve met, known, and worked directly with many many PTs from many backgrounds, along the medical spectrum from outpatient to ICU, and I’ve never heard of anything like “zones” being a focus of therapy.

 

[moochi278]

If one were to weigh out the evidence-based rigors with which a DPT vs a Chiropractor, and the focus on preventive vs reactive therapies valued in each practice, I would bet a DPT is more a doctor than a Chiropractor.

Nobody should need a Chiropractor if they have a good PT. Having a chiropractor won’t stop one from needing a good PT. Chiropractors just cash in on chronic issues, whereas PTs treat underlying causes of pain.

And, again, these “zones” sound like woowoo BS they only speak of in Chiropractor echo chambers. I’ve met, known, and worked directly with many many PTs from many backgrounds, along the medical spectrum from outpatient to ICU, and I’ve never heard of anything like “zones” being a focus of therapy.

So you're saying that the DPT degree which was developed less than 20 years ago is more qualified than a DC? As in any profession there are good and bad practitioners in the PT world and the DC world. Based on your comments you have only been educated in DCs who are only interested in money and not actual patient care. If you go back and look at the foundation that chiropractic care was and is established on it is based on the root cause of issues and problems not on acute care. Getting to the reasons of issues. I am not addressing these so called zones, I am trying to help you understand and dispel the myth that you stated that chiropractic care is not safe. I know thousands of patients who have left the care of a PT and sought out chiropractic care based on the the limit of the scope of care. I also know many patients who have benefited from DCs and PTs who can actually co patients where each practitioner has there own toolbox of skills. Please don't disrespect a profession that you may have a bias towards which provides a level of healthcare both in the sports world and to the general population who benefit greatly from. Your statement that nobody should need a chiropractor cand be also said in regards to a PT. If you know a good chiropractor seeing they have a much more in-depth level of education, and a broader scope of practice they are able to provide a much wider range of treatment options than a PT can.

 

[CL82]

In regards to chiropractic cervical adjustments. The only risk of stroke and or injury is when a chiropractic cervical adjustment is attempted by a non chiropractic Dr. as per the quack study done many years ago. The study only registered chiropractic "type" manipulations and injuries that occurred from them. The only documented injuries were performed by medical doctors, physical therapists, and hair dressers. All non trained in specific cervical spine chiropractic adjustments This study has been since disproven that actual Chiropractors trained in these type of adjustments to be dangerous. Unfortunately this myth still persists to this day as proven by your comment. . Electric stim is fine for acute injuries and will provide palliative temporary relief. Ice heat and massage are excellent again for supportive care. It is a shame that you won't ever receive the benefit of Chiropractic care seeing that it not only helps in acute satiations, but also reduces stress and inference on your overall body , and nervous system in turn allowing a person a much better quality of life, and aids in overall longevity.

Do you have a link to the study that disproves the stroke risk?

 

[Rocktheworld]

So you're saying that the DPT degree which was developed less than 20 years ago is more qualified than a DC?

I have no idea why the recency with which a degree was made has anything to do with the discussion at hand. But, to try to answer a weirdly worded question: if you put a DPT and a Chiro in front of me, and I had a chronic pain issue to cure, I’m taking the DPT 100/100 times.

As in any profession there are good and bad practitioners in the PT world and the DC world. Based on your comments you have only been educated in DCs who are only interested in money and not actual patient care. If you go back and look at the foundation that chiropractic care was and is established on it is based on the root cause of issues and problems not on acute care. Getting to the reasons of issues.

Chrio doesn’t get to the “reasons for issues”. It’s a palliative, responsive approach to managing symptoms. Physical therapy responsively and proactively addresses the underlying movement/coordination inefficiencies that lead to what chiros put a band-aid over with adjustments etc. If people don’t learn to move in a way that best supports their body, they’ll keep “needing” adjustments. The chiro industry depends on people not going to PT and not knowing any better.

I am not addressing these so called zones,

Rightly so

I am trying to help you understand and dispel the myth that you stated that chiropractic care is not safe.

Quote me saying that it is unsafe.

I know thousands of patients who have left the care of a PT and sought out chiropractic care based on the the limit of the scope of care.

In what ways is the PT scope limited such that someone is forced into a chiro office?

I also know many patients who have benefited from DCs and PTs who can actually co patients where each practitioner has there own toolbox of skills. Please don't disrespect a profession that you may have a bias towards which provides a level of healthcare both in the sports world and to the general population who benefit greatly from. Your statement that nobody should need a chiropractor cand be also said in regards to a PT. If you know a good chiropractor seeing they have a much more in-depth level of education, and a broader scope of practice they are able to provide a much wider range of treatment options than a PT can.

Lmao anyone who thinks a chiro receives “much more in-depth level of education” than a DPT is not worthy of this discussion. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, and this has been a waste of my time.

 

[moochi278]

I have no idea why the recency with which a degree was made has anything to do with the discussion at hand. But, to try to answer a weirdly worded question: if you put a DPT and a Chiro in front of me, and I had a chronic pain issue to cure, I’m taking the DPT 100/100 times.

Chrio doesn’t get to the “reasons for issues”. It’s a palliative, responsive approach to managing symptoms. Physical therapy responsively and proactively addresses the underlying movement/coordination inefficiencies that lead to what chiros put a band-aid over with adjustments etc. If people don’t learn to move in a way that best supports their body, they’ll keep “needing” adjustments. The chiro industry depends on people not going to PT and not knowing any better.

Rightly so

Quote me saying that it is unsafe.

In what ways is the PT scope limited such that someone is forced into a chiro office?

Lmao anyone who thinks a chiro receives “much more in-depth level of education” than a DPT is not worthy of this discussion. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, and this has been a waste of my time.

Lol ok Doctor of chiropractic educational hours 3591 clinic hours 1023+ 4615, DPT educational hours 1356 clinic hours 1311= 2667

 

[temery]

Lol ok Doctor of chiropractic educational hours 3591 clinic hours 1023+ 4615, DPT educational hours 1356 clinic hours 1311= 2667

Be a barber 1000+ hours. Be an EMT = 110 hours.

It's an absurd game that is more about lobbying than about useful training.

 

[moochi278]

Be a barber 1000+ hours. Be an EMT = 110 hours.

It's an absurd game that is more about lobbying than about useful training.

?

 

[Rocktheworld]

Lol ok Doctor of chiropractic educational hours 3591 clinic hours 1023+ 4615, DPT educational hours 1356 clinic hours 1311= 2667

Lmao that math isn’t mathing the way you think it is. So DPTs actually spend 300 more hours with practical clinical experience? And how is the 6+ years required to get a DPT dwarved by a chiro? How long exactly do chiros spend in “school”? Not to mention, these numbers have absolutely no bearing on the actual discussion at hand. You have no real responses to me, so you keep coming up with non-sequiturs.

Where’d you pull that data from, by the way? Please don’t tell me you yourself are a chiro

 

[moochi278]

Lmao that math isn’t mathing the way you think it is. So DPTs actually spend 300 more hours with practical clinical experience? And how is the 6+ years required to get a DPT dwarved by a chiro? How long exactly do chiros spend in “school”? Not to mention, these numbers have absolutely no bearing on the actual discussion at hand. You have no real responses to me, so you keep coming up with non-sequiturs.

Where’d you pull that data from, by the way? Please don’t tell me you yourself are a chiro

I guess you are a PT fan and always will be. The numbers are not skewed Chiros have much more schooling than a DPT. Four years pre med on average 4-5 years in Chiro school. I am sorry that you will never benefit from chiropractic care. As I have said before both fields have their lanes in which they specialize. From your comments you have been from a and your responses you feel very strongly about the benefits of PT care which I never disputed. Your comments in regards to the chiropractic profession though are coming from a very uneducated response as it pertains to chiropractic care. In response to your math isn't mathing? the way I think it is it actually is seeing that the educational foundation is much more in-depth for a chiro, and the clinical time does not include the 1 1/2 years a chiro spends in out patient clinic after the in school clinical is finished. I am sorry that you feel that my responses don't logically follow what has been said I am just following your line of responses. I am actually a orthopedic who refers to both PTs and Chiros on a regular basis. The data was pulled from both professional sites for PTs and Chiros just to clear up that the numbers were not just made up.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I guess you are a PT fan and always will be. The numbers are not skewed Chiros have much more schooling than a DPT. Four years pre med on average 4-5 years in Chiro school. I am sorry that you will never benefit from chiropractic care. As I have said before both fields have their lanes in which they specialize. From your comments you have been from an and your responses you feel very strongly about the benefits of PT care which I never disputed. Your comments in regards to the chiropractic profession though are coming from a very uneducated response as it pertains to chiropractic care. In response to your math isn't mathing? the way I think it is it actually is seeing that the educational foundation is much more in-depth for a chiro, and the clinical time does not include the 1 1/2 years a chiro spends in out patient clinic after the in school clinical is finished. I am sorry that you feel that my responses don't logically follow what has been said I am just following your line of responses. I am actually an orthopedic who refers to both PTs and Chiros on a regular basis. The data was pulled from both professional sites for PTs and Chiros just to clear up that the numbers were not just made up.

Lmaooo as if PTs don’t have to do 4 years of kinesiology before their 3ish years of grad school. But I’m the undereducated one. Obviously you didn’t make up those weird numbers lol

Yikes, you’re a surgeon? And yet you discount the importance of practical experience? So if you were to do it all again, you would prefer to just be in school for 12 years learning about surgery, and then just do a few knee replacements before being deemed fit to be an ortho? Academic experience is more important than practical experience?

 

[HuskyHawk]

This thread took such a dumb turn. Physical Therapists are good. Chiropractors are fine. They aren't mutually exclusive or even substitutes for each other. Neither one is a substitute for an MD. Nor is an MD a substitute for a PT or Chiropractor. Arguing about schooling or experience is pointless. Might as well argue about whether a plumber has more experience and schooling the electrician. Who cares? Hire who you need to solve your specific issue.

 

[Rocktheworld]

This thread took such a dumb turn. Physical Therapists are good. Chiropractors are fine. They aren't mutually exclusive or even substitutes for each other. Neither one is a substitute for an MD. Nor is an MD a substitute for a PT or Chiropractor. Arguing about schooling or experience is pointless. Might as well argue about whether a plumber has more experience and schooling the electrician. Who cares? Hire who you need to solve your specific issue.

Yeah I didn’t want to argue about schooling, it’s the weird direction the discussion was taken by someone who had no response to my retorts and decided to move goal posts. I never said one could substitute another. I said that nobody with a good PT should ever need a chiro for the reasons for which this thread was started. I did also mention how woo-woo chiropractorship is to someone who has spent 12+ years in the evidenced-based rehab world. Home boy got upset with that, and this stupid discussion ensued.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Yeah I didn’t want to argue about schooling, it’s the weird direction the discussion was taken by someone who had no response to my retorts and decided to move goal posts. I never said one could substitute another. I said that nobody with a good PT should ever need a chiro for the reasons for which this thread was started. I did also mention how woo-woo chiropractorship is to someone who has spent 12+ years in the evidenced-based rehab world. Home boy got upset with that, and this stupid discussion ensued.

I disagree that nobody with access to a PT needs Chiro. They are just different things. You go to PT to fix something specific, often that's related to an injury but the focus is on soft tissue (which is very different). I have used both, expect to continue to do so. PT generally requires a prescription from an MD in order for it to be covered. Chrio does not.

If I had to live with just one, certainly a physical therapist is more important