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My original post had absolutely nothing to do with soccer replacing football. I was simply pointing out that every four years people who ordinarily don't pay any attention to soccer become big fans with many proclaiming that it will be the next big thing. I simply posted that this same thing has been going on for at least 40 years and it has to happen.

Look I was at several of the Cosmo games of the late '70's including Pele's last game where he played a half for the Cosmos and a half for Brazil (there was a girl involved otherwise I would have been almost anywhere else). All anyone talked about then was the "soccer revolution" in the U.S. Youth soccer numbers went through the roof. Other than World Cup ratings I haven't seen the results have you?

I hear that it will become the safe "alternative" to football so posted true concussion comments that dispute the actual safety of soccer and was met with the standard "you must be a BC fan" response.

Look if you enjoy soccer great. My 23 year old son who played hockey and lacrosse in high school and lacrosse in college is totally into it. I don't ever tell anyone what they should watch or like but 40 plus years is a long time to wait for the "next big thing"
 
Is NASL the league that's like the Minor League branch of MLS? Or are they completely separate. I may be mistaking them with USL? I really wish they'd institute some kind of relegation system like the rest of the world has. I know it's years away because there's just enough interest at the MLS level to fill stadiums so filling them for lower level teams is tough in most places (yes I know there are are some USL teams that pack the place). It would just be nice to see us finally accept that soccer is not like the rest of our pro leagues and can actually be run like every other countries league system that promotes and relegates certain teams. I can't think of another league in the world that has divisions like MLS does....or playoffs for that matter!
 
bc puckett said:
You really need something new because I am not now or have I ever been a BC fan. I'm a life long TCU fan which you might have gathered from the name but I guess that was expecting too much.
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Just out of curiousity, where would anyone figure out that you're a TCU fan with a name like bc puckett?? To me, that name sounds like one of a BC Hockey fan. Not saying you are, just letting you know why people called you a bc fan....
 
ZooCougar said:
It actually does, this league and its structure predates even MLS. The players play for peanuts. They basically draw minor league baseball type crowds. The teams in Rochester and Richmond are actually really popular. I think FOX has shown an ASL game of the week for a while now.

EDIT: Never mind, this is a new league. I was confusing it with the United Soccer League which is the established league.
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Rochester does well from what I have heard and they have a really nice stadium. Rochester overall has some really nice minor league facilities (baseball, hockey and soccer); but, many are worried how long it will last due to Kodak, Xerox and others leaving town and taking the money with them.
 
bc puckett said:
We go through this every 4 years. Soccer is the next big thing!!! Look at the Ratings!!! Mommy won't let little Johnny play football!!!. I've been hearing this for almost 50 years. I remember back in the late '70s when the Cosmos were getting 78,000 plus for regular season NASL games that this was it here comes soccer!! There's more kids playing soccer than little league!!! Really. Where the hell are they?

Well here we are all these years later and what? Same crap. Every gets there panties in a bunch because the U.S.A can finally beat some third world African country and doing it with a roster half full of dual-citizens. Yipee!!

You of course realize that there are nearly as many concussions in soccer as there are in football. Taylor Twellman being a prime example being forced to retire at 28 due to multiple concussions. Also one of the keynote speakers at President Obama's concussion symposium was a young lady who had to stop playing soccer in high school due to concussion history.

Sorry but a sport where you play 90 minutes with nets the size of Nebraska and nobody scores will never be more than a once every four year curiosity, at best, for most of the country.


Also NCAA soccers apears regularly on both the B1G network and CBSSN along with the tournament on some form of ESPN.
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The US/Ghana match drew a 6.3 rating/11 million viewers at 6 PM (3 PM on the West coast likely pulled the numbers down). That gets advertising attention. And, it's the first match. If the US can make a run into to the quarterfinals, the numbers maybe very impressive.
 
UCFBfan said:
Just out of curiousity, where would anyone figure out that you're a TCU fan with a name like bc puckett?? To me, that name sounds like one of a BC Hockey fan. Not saying you are, just letting you know why people called you a bc fan....
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Mr. Conehead said:
The US/Ghana match drew a 6.3 rating/11 million viewers at 6 PM (3 PM on the West coast likely pulled the numbers down). That gets advertising attention. And, it's the first match. If the US can make a run into to the quarterfinals, the numbers maybe very impressive.
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Agreed. The next two games should draw very good ratings since the U.S. is playing against tougher competition. Not to mention, one of the world's best players. Even the non-U.S. games are drawing excellent ratings.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Rochester does well from what I have heard and they have a really nice stadium. Rochester overall has some really nice minor league facilities (baseball, hockey and soccer); but, many are worried how long it will last due to Kodak, Xerox and others leaving town and taking the money with them.
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Rochester blew their chance. They took too long. They could have been the Green Bay Packers of MLS. But Rochester seems to be finding new ways to reinvent it's economy. This article is from two years ago.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/mone...12-01-14/cnbc-kodak-small-business/52518528/1

If Rochester can't get a team, I don't see Hartford getting one soon. There's NYC FC starting next year, too. There goes a huge chunk of Fairfield County. Large markets is the name of the game in upper-tier spectator sports. Thus, the rise of football at UConn, UCF, USF, UTSA, ODU, etc.
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
The US/Ghana match drew a 6.3 rating/11 million viewers at 6 PM (3 PM on the West coast likely pulled the numbers down). That gets advertising attention. And, it's the first match. If the US can make a run into to the quarterfinals, the numbers maybe very impressive.
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I'm sure they will. They always are. My point was that the continuing interest is never there
 
Mr. Conehead said:
The US/Ghana match drew a 6.3 rating/11 million viewers at 6 PM (3 PM on the West coast likely pulled the numbers down). That gets advertising attention. And, it's the first match. If the US can make a run into to the quarterfinals, the numbers maybe very impressive.
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Plus another 4+ million on Univision.

In NY it got a higher rating than any game of the NHL or NBA finals.

USMNT to the Big 10.
 
bc puckett said:
I know it's the standard UConn response but I'm nowhere near Chestnut Hill. All I did was post facts, including concussion info, about soccer in this country over the last 45 plus years and all the little Huskies have to get their balls in a knot.
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I agree that concussions are a concern in soccer. That is a documented fact. but, you provided no facts that soccer is useless in the US. If the TV ratings for the US/Ghana match were 6.2 and BC football's TV average ratings for football in 2013 was a 1.2m what\ does that make BC football? And yes, UConn's ratings were worse, 0.6; but that was still better that several P-5 teams (Cal, Iowa St, Kansas, Maryland, Rutgers, Utah, Virginia, Wake).
 
I'm still trying to figure out why this old @$$ bag is still here. To repeatedly point out that something that was never said by anyone here is patently false?
 
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bc puckett said:
I'm sure they will. They always are. My point was that the continuing interest is never there
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You must have missed the past few years where the EPL has exploded in popularity here.

You were right for a long time but the popularity is catching up to the hype.
 
whaler11 said:
Plus another 4+ million on Univision.

In NY it got a higher rating than any game of the NHL or NBA finals.

USMNT to the Big 10.
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Right after Cincinnati and UCF to the B12. USMNT and The Belmont Stakes to the B1G.
 
upstater said:
The US development academy, and MLS, are still going about it all wrong. They've put a ton of money into getting youth teams enrolled is US Soccer bankrolled programs, and to amp up the level of instruction, with each MLS team bankrolling several regional soccer clubs which are supposed to be at the highest level, but they are charging so much for such instruction that all they've managed to do is up the level of suburbanite soccer, largely ignoring the immigrant/inner city population. Again.
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That is very true and I know many suburbanite parents who have been priced out (especially when the child plays multiple sports or the family has multiple children in sports). Plus, throw in the new rule prohibiting HS club players from playing on their HS team, and a lot of folks have been turned off.
 
Butch said:
Rochester blew their chance. They took too long. They could have been the Green Bay Packers of MLS. But Rochester seems to be finding new ways to reinvent it's economy. This article is from two years ago.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/mone...12-01-14/cnbc-kodak-small-business/52518528/1

If Rochester can't get a team, I don't see Hartford getting one soon. There's NYC FC starting next year, too. There goes a huge chunk of Fairfield County. Large markets is the name of the game in upper-tier spectator sports. Thus, the rise of football at UConn, UCF, USF, UTSA, ODU, etc.
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NYC FC does not have a stadium yet, though. The plan is for them to play temporarily at Yankee (they are owned by the Yankees and Man City). The plans for a soccer only stadium near Citi Field fell through. Not sure what the new plan is if there is a plan. The can't look west as the Red Bulls are parked across the river in Harrison. As a FYI, NYC FC's Director of operations in Claudio Renya and the Chief Business Officer is Tim Pernetti, the former AD of Rutgers.

Any work on the NE Revs or DC United getting a soccer only stadium yet? I know MLS is pushing or it; but, both have been dragging along.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Rochester does well from what I have heard and they have a really nice stadium. Rochester overall has some really nice minor league facilities (baseball, hockey and soccer); but, many are worried how long it will last due to Kodak, Xerox and others leaving town and taking the money with them.
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The Rhinos used to play on the baseball field, but they never bothered taking away the mound for games. That was fun stuff.

When the WNY Flash women's team started playing in the national women's soccer club, the local owner from Buffalo decided to build a nice stadium and invite the Rhinos to play there as well. The Flash have Abby Wambach on the team, and used to have the Brazilian Marta. The owner is the sausage king of WNY and his daughter used to play on the national team. The Flash training facility is in Buffalo.
 
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Awesome how deep the BC hatred is. A guy who isn't a BC fan picks a name with BC in it and gets attacked like he is satan.

If his name was UC Puckett he would have a platoon of defenders.

But now that we decided we hate him we need to keep up appearances. :)

(Even though he is generally spot on IMO with regards to the subject at hand)
 
J187Money said:
Awesome how deep the BC hatred is. A guy who isn't a BC fan picks a name with BC in it and gets attacked like he is satan.

If his name was UC Puckett he would have a platoon of defenders.
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Because they guy is such a troll, the BC connection was logically assumed. Either way, he would have been on ignore by now.
 
J187Money said:
Awesome how deep the BC hatred is. A guy who isn't a BC fan picks a name with BC in it and gets attacked like he is satan.

If his name was UC Puckett he would have a platoon of defenders.

But now that we decided we hate him we need to keep up appearances. :)

(Even though he is generally spot on IMO with regards to the subject at hand)
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I don't care what his/her affiliation is, he/she is on ignore over what he/she replied to Zoo. Zoo asked a question, this troll answered with "do you still beat your wife?". Our board has had its fair share of fans from other conferences come over here and contribute with no problems. But I've grown exceptionally tired of these okielite types that come over here just to be a d0uche. The key is to identify them early. This particular d0uche made it easy to identify him/her with his/her response to Zoo so on ignore they went. Judging by the amount of comments directed at this troll after I put him/her on ignore, my guess is that the troll is still making similar d0uche comments.
 
CTGoonie said:
Is Hartford getting a MLS team a possibility? We already have a great stadium for them. The fan support is there as indicated in the ratings for the World Cup (Hartford is one of the highest ranked cities). Does Bob Kraft really have so much pull that the MLS won’t allow another team in his “territory”? If so, what are the chances of the Revolution moving? I have no idea how they do attendance-wise compared to other MLS teams.
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US versus Ghana was the most watched game in ESPN history. The areas that had the most televisions tuned in wereWashington DC, New York and then Connecticut. #3 in the nation.
 
J187Money said:
Awesome how deep the BC hatred is. A guy who isn't a BC fan picks a name with BC in it and gets attacked like he is satan.

If his name was UC Puckett he would have a platoon of defenders.

But now that we decided we hate him we need to keep up appearances. :)

(Even though he is generally spot on IMO with regards to the subject at hand)
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He's actually completely wrong. If you guys think MLS = the old NASL then you are hopelessly misinformed.
 
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TheDoggPound said:
Hartford is getting NASL for Dillon Stadium, that's the first step toward the goal of MLS. The other big question looming over our chances is our long time buddy Robert Kraft, I believe he has final say on a team in Hartford. Our only saving grace would be if the Revs moved to a stadium in Revere or closer to Boston, which is what's been rumored. If that happens Kraft will forgo his territorial rights, opening up our chances.
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I don't think it will happen, as most Revs fans come from the suburbs, and people like me won't go to Revere, which might as well be Mars, for anything. If they move it, it has to be to a more generally accessible, lower traffic, tailgate friendly location than is possible north or east of Boston. My guess is that they stay where they are. Patriot Place already has what they have in KC, and it is a draw for families.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't think it will happen, as most Revs fans come from the suburbs, and people like me won't go to Revere, which might as well be Mars, for anything. If they move it, it has to be to a more generally accessible, lower traffic, tailgate friendly location than is possible north or east of Boston. My guess is that they stay where they are. Patriot Place already has what they have in KC, and it is a draw for families.
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The best thing they could possibly do is build adjacent to Patriot Place and Gillette. It sounds like the next best thing is to do nothing.
 
ZooCougar said:
The best thing they could possibly do is build adjacent to Patriot Place and Gillette. It sounds like the next best thing is to do nothing.
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Yes. And for all the thoughts of tapping into the Hispanic community in Boston, the reality is that Boston is not really heavily Hispanic. The benefits of Foxboro are actually greater. Huge Brazilian population in Milford, big Portuguese population in and around Providence, big Cape Verdean and Hispanic population in Pawtucket, and then loads of suburban soccer-mom families all over.
 
J187Money said:
Awesome how deep the BC hatred is. A guy who isn't a BC fan picks a name with BC in it and gets attacked like he is satan.

If his name was UC Puckett he would have a platoon of defenders.

But now that we decided we hate him we need to keep up appearances. :)

(Even though he is generally spot on IMO with regards to the subject at hand)
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Well he is being a but I kinda agree with him too. We hear this every 4 years now with the World Cup. The Olympics garner ratings too but figure skating and track & field aren't exactly national sports around these parts.

It's still hype.
 
J187Money said:
Awesome how deep the BC hatred is. A guy who isn't a BC fan picks a name with BC in it and gets attacked like he is satan.

If his name was UC Puckett he would have a platoon of defenders.

But now that we decided we hate him we need to keep up appearances. :)

(Even though he is generally spot on IMO with regards to the subject at hand)
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I would not suggest someone go on the Alabama Tide site with the handle "Auburn Hair," or the UNC site with the handle "Duke of Durham," or the Pitt site with the handle "Mountain Boy" or the WV site with the handle "Brad Pitt" or the Syracuse site with the handle "4 Rings" or the Ohio State site with the handle "Calumet Wolverines" or the UCLA site with the handle "Trojan Magnum."
 
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