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gtcam said:
Was listening to Joe D and Gresh coming home tonite
Gresh said that Cam was asked about not going after the fumble
Cam responded - "IT WAS A BUSINESS DECISION"
Really?????
I was only questioning Cam's demeanor and decision making
NOW I question his character
Would go to war with this guy? Not me
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If he actually said that, he's a huge pussbag.
 
Well seeing as he has won a Heisman, NC, and just lead a team with no offense besides him to a SB. So you might not but his teammates who were screaming "We love Cam" during his interview this morning. Of course it's perspective but I don't mind the attitude Cam has if that's his motivation for continuing to try and be great. If his one character flaw is he doesn't like to lose and isn't going to react well if he does then I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal. Especially when it's just him pouting and not him calling out teammates and causing drama.
 
intlzncster said:
All pro QBs have pressure on them. Him being black has nothing to do with it. He's not Rosa Parks. He's a guy who gets paid multi-millions to throw a football and get idolized (and vilified) like a god. I don't think the presser was a big deal personally. Hopefully, he'll learn from his professional misstep.

And I wouldn't be throwing Mike Vick out there in this conversation. Can o' worms there.
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Yeah on Mike Vick, I'll strike that from the record. I'm not the one who started the black QB dialogue, was purely making a point on what someone saying he was a Black run first QB bla blah... And I was saying bringing race in this should be irrelevant.
 
David 76 said:
Why? You said that unless one is black and playing at the NFL level, we can't understand the pressure he is under.
I said he is not exactly Jackie Robinson or Hank Aaron. They had pressure. Their lives were threatened. They had to face daily overt and covert racism. They didn't get paid millions of dollars.

I also said the his offense (as in transgression) was minor.
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One problem with that analogy, they were baseball players, and yes went through a lot in a different era, the pressures are different, and doesn't make sense when comparing to how compartmentalized black QBs are in any decade. Automatically the general public assumes/believes a black person can't be a QB all they do is run, that is BS. Yes, you are right, unless you are black, you or anyone else will never understand or relate to what CAM or any athlete or non athlete goes through on a daily basis and you do not have to be Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, Arthur Ashe... Name anyone to understand that. I am sorry there is no debating that. If you do not like Cam, that is fine and your prerogative, but do not assume he or anyone can't QB or is a run first QB because he is black, that is pure ignorance.
 
Olsen and Stewart are really good players, the whole "he has no weapons" sounds like Patriot BS and excuses.

HuskyWarrior611 said:
Well seeing as he has won a Heisman, NC, and just lead a team with no offense besides him to a SB. So you might not but his teammates who were screaming "We love Cam" during his interview this morning. Of course it's perspective but I don't mind the attitude Cam has if that's his motivation for continuing to try and be great. If his one character flaw is he doesn't like to lose and isn't going to react well if he does then I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal. Especially when it's just him pouting and not him calling out teammates and causing drama.
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JSM1970 said:
Olsen and Stewart are really good players, the whole "he has no weapons" sounds like Patriot BS and excuses.
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Stewart was injured early and it slowed him. Olsen is great, but he's one man. Where are all these weapons you are talking about.

And no Patriots fan would say Brady has no weapons. He didn't have any when Gronk Amendola and Edelman were out. That's just a fact.
 
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JSM1970 said:
Olsen and Stewart are really good players, the whole "he has no weapons" sounds like Patriot BS and excuses.
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Jonathan Stewart has one season where he eclipsed 1,000 yards rushing and it wasn't this year. He's average at best. Cam not only had more yards per carry than him, he also scored 4 more rushing TDs and had only about 300 less rushing yards than Stewart.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Are people really disputing that Cam's receivers were a horror show on Sunday?
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It's my claim that they were a horror show all season, and Sunday simply followed suit.
 
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David 76 said:
Brady is just your typical White, pass-first QB
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He's just a system QB. he'd be nothing without Belichik.

Speaking if Belichik, he only wins because he has Brady. I mean, look at his record in Cleveland.
 
David 76 said:
I was trying to be as stupid as the "typical Black, run-first QB"
I think Brady is a great QB. Best since Peyton broke his neck.:eek:
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Well, he led NFL QBs in rushing yds (636 to Russell Wilson 553 and Tyrod Taylor 568) and rushing attempts (132 to Wilson 103 and Taylor 104). And Carolina had the 24th best passing offense. So tell me how stupid it really is.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Are people really disputing that Cam's receivers were a horror show on Sunday?
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He was 18 for 41 did they have 23 drops? They missed maybe 3 that were great throws so okay, he should have been 21 for 41. C'mon the whole team was putrid including him. He was an MVP with most of these "weapons" it's not time to complain he had non which many are trying to do. I believe the person who probably had a worst game than ll the offensive players was the OC. I mean to get ravaged like they did in the first half and have little adjustment to the line strategy or the routes was awful on his part.
 
mauconnfan said:
He was 18 for 41 did they have 23 drops? They missed maybe 3 that were great throws so okay, he should have been 21 for 41. C'mon the whole team was putrid including him. He was an MVP with most of these "weapons" it's not time to complain he had non which many are trying to do. I believe the person who probably had a worst game than ll the offensive players was the OC. I mean to get ravaged like they did in the first half and have little adjustment to the line strategy or the routes was awful on his part.
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If Cotchery doesn't bobble the ball and it's gets ruled a catch they are in good field position and don't end up giving up that fumble TD to Denver later so yeah, it makes a difference. Who ever spoke highly of the weapons around Cam at any point of the season? Cam willed this offense all season without a doubt. He was lucky to have one of the best defenses and special teams too otherwise 15-1 are not possible.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
If Cotchery doesn't bobble the ball and it's gets ruled a catch they are in good field position and don't end up giving up that fumble TD to Denver later so yeah, it makes a difference. Who ever spoke highly of the weapons around Cam at any point of the season? Cam willed this offense all season without a doubt. He was lucky to have one of the best defenses and special teams too otherwise 15-1 are not possible.
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So what changed, his will? (maybe with that feeble recovery attempt)

He can't have both - he can't have an MVP season with that team then lead the same team into the the Super Bowl and then be able to complain after losing that he didn't have weapons - are you people kidding me with this? The dancing stopped because he wasn't good when the spotlight was on and neither was the rest of his team including the staff. Pretty simple.
 
Deepster said:
Well, he led NFL QBs in rushing yds (636 to Russell Wilson 553 and Tyrod Taylor 568) and rushing attempts (132 to Wilson 103 and Taylor 104). And Carolina had the 24th best passing offense. So tell me how stupid it really is.
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Sorry Deep. But a typical run first quarterback is sufficient.
 
mauconnfan said:
So what changed, his will? (maybe with that feeble recovery attempt)

He can't have both - he can't have an MVP season with that team then lead the same team into the the Super Bowl and then be able to complain after losing that he didn't have weapons - are you people kidding me with this? The dancing stopped because he wasn't good when the spotlight was on and neither was the rest of his team including the staff. Pretty simple.
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The Broncos defense was one of the best defenses the NFL has seen some are saying. That's what changed. Also of course the dancing stopped when he's losing. Does Aaron Rodgers still do the discount double check when he's losing or does he sulk on the bench? Does Tom Brady still yell and get fired up or does he sulk on the bench? Nobody acts the same way as they do when they're winning compared to when they're losing. He was the MVP because he scored the most TDs in the NFL including more rushing TDs than his #1 RB. He had one reliable weapon on offense and that was his TE. Last time Ted Ginn was in the super bowl he was a #3 option. Cam Newton was really just that good this year with a great defense and special teams to compliment.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
The Broncos defense was one of the best defenses the NFL has seen some are saying. That's what changed. Also of course the dancing stopped when he's losing. Does Aaron Rodgers still do the discount double check when he's losing or does he sulk on the bench? Does Tom Brady still yell and get fired up or does he sulk on the bench? Nobody acts the same way as they do when they're winning compared to when they're losing. He was the MVP because he scored the most TDs in the NFL including more rushing TDs than his #1 RB. He had one reliable weapon on offense and that was his TE. Last time Ted Ginn was in the super bowl he was a #3 option. Cam Newton was really just that good this year with a great defense and special teams to compliment.
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Whatever, I see where you're going. You win:rolleyes:
 
David 76 said:
Sorry Deep. But a typical run first quarterback is sufficient.
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Listen. If you choose to skirt over the fact that most run first quarterbacks are also black, that's your decision. I don't have a problem admitting that's the case.

Rushing Yards by a QB
2015: Top 3 were Cam Newton, Tyrod Taylor, Russell Wilson
2014: Top 3 were Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton
2013: Top 5 were Cam Newton, Terrelle Pryor, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, RGIII
2012: Top 5 were RGIII, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Michael Vick
2011: Top 5 were Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Michael Vick, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Freeman
2010: Top 5 were Michael Vick, Josh Freeman, Aaron Rodgers, Brad Smith, David Garrard

Am I missing something?
 
David 76 said:
I was trying to be as stupid as the "typical Black, run-first QB"
I think Brady is a great QB. Best since Peyton broke his neck.:eek:
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Hence my joking reply.

Funniest thing is you actually here those statements all the time. From the same people! :confused:
 
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mauconnfan said:
He was 18 for 41 did they have 23 drops? They missed maybe 3 that were great throws so okay, he should have been 21 for 41. C'mon the whole team was putrid including him. He was an MVP with most of these "weapons" it's not time to complain he had non which many are trying to do. I believe the person who probably had a worst game than ll the offensive players was the OC. I mean to get ravaged like they did in the first half and have little adjustment to the line strategy or the routes was awful on his part.
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When your guys are never getting open (including during the year), then it's pretty hard to be accurate. When you miss, you better miss long. And got to count pass breakups too, cause D is so tight there is no where else to throw. Credit Denver D too.

He was MVP with this cast of jokers, that even strengthens his legitimacy. Imagine if he had a bunch of actual studs. Give him Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, and he'd be lights out. Basically Cam's level of play masked that team's inadequacies. Then they ran into a juggernaut.

Totally agree on the OC. That guy was running Stewart twice a set of downs late in the game when they are well behind! Just mind bogglingly stupid. The guy made virtually no adjustments to the blitz, which was designed to get to Cam as fast as possible, collapsing his rush lanes. His guys can't get open fast enough so they were ducked. Needed to mix in a lot of screens and quick slants.
 
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mauconnfan said:
So what changed, his will? (maybe with that feeble recovery attempt)
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Denver D was unstoppable late in the post season. That's your answer.

People need to give more credit to the Denver defense than they take away from Cam. Those guys were incredible. Top 3 overall I've personally seen (w 85 Bears and 13 Seahawks).
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
The Broncos defense was one of the best defenses the NFL has seen some are saying. That's what changed. Also of course the dancing stopped when he's losing. Does Aaron Rodgers still do the discount double check when he's losing or does he sulk on the bench? Does Tom Brady still yell and get fired up or does he sulk on the bench? Nobody acts the same way as they do when they're winning compared to when they're losing. He was the MVP because he scored the most TDs in the NFL including more rushing TDs than his #1 RB. He had one reliable weapon on offense and that was his TE. Last time Ted Ginn was in the super bowl he was a #3 option. Cam Newton was really just that good this year with a great defense and special teams to compliment.
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Ha, you got to it first. Bastard.
 
intlzncster said:
Denver D was unstoppable late in the post season. That's your answer.

People need to give more credit to the Denver defense than they take away from Cam. Those guys were incredible. Top 3 overall I've personally seen (w 85 Bears and 13 Seahawks).
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No doubt they were good but other teams scored against them didn't they? They didn't go undefeated did they? I mean geez one hand Cam is God, the MVP the reason they are going to the Super Bowl and by the way favored to win easily by most. Next hand he's 18 for 41 and the excuses come flying and the guys who helped him become MVP, can't do it himself, suddenly BLOW - does anyone really understand you can't be the MVP all season, dance around pissing people off like you're the king and then get your a** handed to you and not be part of the reason. What's wrong with you people?
 
I think you're giving Cam too much credit Mau for the success of the Panthers. Like I said the defense and the special teams were the Panthers bread and butter. Cam simply did enough to not lose games and win some games when needed with how bad their offense was. Carolina won a lot of ugly games throughout the year. Cam was simply the MVP because he was the Panthers offense and they went 15-1. Not because they had a good offense.
 
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