OT: Cam Newton

[intlzncster]

What really bothers me is I tried to troll Pats fans a couple of times in this thread with absolutely no bites. Either I'm lousy at this or you guys aren't as defensive as I thought. It must be me.

Nah, most (not all) of us don't care much. Only thing I really care about is inaccuracies.

You can say '18-1' or whatever all you want. Have at it.

 

[intlzncster]

Thats easy Peyton Manning is the GOAT.

Hahahaha

 

[intlzncster]

David I can teach you a few things on how to get people to "bite" as you can see. Reach out anytime and I can get you started on "Trolling 101". You can see above there are many students who don't like my methods but many also do.

The only time I'd 'bite' is when you start spewing untruths.

 

[intlzncster]

I must admit I really have no idea on the latter so I can't comment. What I can comment on is Peyton is a proven gentlemen of the game with the utmost respect of his peers and the history the game has provided. If he did something wrong it should stay with him and I'd like to know what it is, I seriously do not know. Others need to prove themselves and are now 0 for 1 on the biggest stage.

His 'sexual assault' was nicely thrown under the rug. Peyton has certainly comported himself well as a pro, but it ain't that hard when you are football royalty. Guy definitely gets held to a different (easier) standard than most.

Here's a very short primer on it: LINK

 

[Deleted at users request]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...n-carolina-panthers-defends-walking-reporters

 

[StoweD210]

Peyton has carte blanche to do whatever the duckck he wants. Didn't you know that?

This is the typical response to that:

Chris Chase is one of the worst in sports media. I don't want to say he's #1, because there are several others deserving consideration, but he's definitely in the discussion.

 

[intlzncster]

Chris Chase is one of the worst in sports media. I don't want to say he's #1, because there are several others deserving consideration, but he's definitely in the discussion.

That list is looooong and distinguished. Sports journalism media is pretty woeful overall. But people eat it up, so what can you do?

 

[Deepster]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...n-carolina-panthers-defends-walking-reporters

The newly crowned league MVP walked out on reporters Sunday after answering only a handful of questions, mostly with short, soft-spoken answers.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser," he said.

He said if he offended anyone, "that's cool," and that he would not change his persona to appease anyone.

Newton hasn't spoken to the media in his previous four seasons on the day players clean out their lockers, but he felt compelled to talk on Tuesday amid criticism of him. As he was speaking, teammates stood around him, shouting "we love Cam."
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"At the end of the day, when you invest so much time and sacrifice so much and things don't go as planned, the emotions take over. That's what happens. As far as trying to be like this person, trying to be like that person ... the truth of the matter is I'm not trying to be like this person.

"This is a great league with or without me. I am my own person. I said it since day one. I am who I am. I know what I'm capable of and I know where I'm going. I don't have to conform to anybody else's wants for me to do. I'm not that guy."

Curious to hear about his supporters in this thread who think he "learned" something from this and will act more appropriately in the future. Doesn't sound like he learned anything and basically is saying ". Take me or leave me."

 

[superjohn]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...n-carolina-panthers-defends-walking-reporters

The newly crowned league MVP walked out on reporters Sunday after answering only a handful of questions, mostly with short, soft-spoken answers.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser," he said.

He said if he offended anyone, "that's cool," and that he would not change his persona to appease anyone.

Newton hasn't spoken to the media in his previous four seasons on the day players clean out their lockers, but he felt compelled to talk on Tuesday amid criticism of him. As he was speaking, teammates stood around him, shouting "we love Cam."
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"At the end of the day, when you invest so much time and sacrifice so much and things don't go as planned, the emotions take over. That's what happens. As far as trying to be like this person, trying to be like that person ... the truth of the matter is I'm not trying to be like this person.

"This is a great league with or without me. I am my own person. I said it since day one. I am who I am. I know what I'm capable of and I know where I'm going. I don't have to conform to anybody else's wants for me to do. I'm not that guy."

Curious to hear about his supporters in this thread who think he "learned" something from this and will act more appropriately in the future. Doesn't sound like he learned anything and basically is saying ". Take me or leave me."

Haven't been a fan of his since college but his attitude is refreshing. I've always liked Peyton Manning but I found his behavior a little more bothersome than Cam's.

 

[intlzncster]

Haven't been a fan of his since college but his attitude is refreshing. I've always liked Peyton Manning but I found his behavior a little more bothersome than Cam's.

Not impressed with his reasoning RE the fumble though. Contrast that to a guy like Brady diving for a fumble against Suh in a (not so after the fact) meaningless week 17 game--this applies to any other good QB; I just happen to see this vid the other day cause I'm a Pats fan:



I couldn't care less about the presser.

 

[JSM1970]

Also, there should be a thread about how much of a Manning is for using the SB to pimp Papa John's and his Bud beer distributor.

How long before his hug with the Papa John guy immediately following the end (why was that guy even on the field), and then saying 50x he was going to drink Bud. He's very fortunate, he was terrible.

 

[intlzncster]

Also, there should be a thread about how much of a Manning is for using the SB to pimp Papa John's and his Bud beer distributor.

Imagine if it had been Cam that had done that? He'd be getting absolutely crucified for it right now.

 

[polycom]

Not impressed with his reasoning RE the fumble though. Contrast that to a guy like Brady diving for a fumble against Suh in a (not so after the fact) meaningless week 17 game--this applies to any other good QB; I just happen to see this vid the other day cause I'm a Pats fan:



I couldn't care less about the presser.

I don't see how Cam's play and this are similar. While I agree that Cam maybe should have dove for the ball it makes sense as to why he didn't.

 

[Deepster]

Haven't been a fan of his since college but his attitude is refreshing. I've always liked Peyton Manning but I found his behavior a little more bothersome than Cam's.

Ahhh. Now it's "refreshing". Got it. Rub it in when you win, pout and stamp your feet when you lose. Refreshing.

 

[Rico444]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...n-carolina-panthers-defends-walking-reporters

The newly crowned league MVP walked out on reporters Sunday after answering only a handful of questions, mostly with short, soft-spoken answers.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser," he said.

He said if he offended anyone, "that's cool," and that he would not change his persona to appease anyone.

Newton hasn't spoken to the media in his previous four seasons on the day players clean out their lockers, but he felt compelled to talk on Tuesday amid criticism of him. As he was speaking, teammates stood around him, shouting "we love Cam."
....

"At the end of the day, when you invest so much time and sacrifice so much and things don't go as planned, the emotions take over. That's what happens. As far as trying to be like this person, trying to be like that person ... the truth of the matter is I'm not trying to be like this person.

"This is a great league with or without me. I am my own person. I said it since day one. I am who I am. I know what I'm capable of and I know where I'm going. I don't have to conform to anybody else's wants for me to do. I'm not that guy."

Curious to hear about his supporters in this thread who think he "learned" something from this and will act more appropriately in the future. Doesn't sound like he learned anything and basically is saying ". Take me or leave me."

If he's gonna be a baby his whole career after big losses, that's fine. He'll get criticized for it, and he'll deserve it. Doesn't change the fact that he's still a great QB that watches plenty of film to prepare for games, and I'm pretty sure this still doesn't shed any light into whether or not his charity work is legitimate.

 

[superjohn]

Ahhh. Now it's "refreshing". Got it. Rub it in when you win, pout and stamp your feet when you lose. Refreshing.

I really enjoy how he angers a guy like you, it's just so predictable that you would be the boneyard member who is most up in arms. You must have loved it when Peyton left the other Superbowl before the game was over and didn't congratulate any of the opposition, or him shilling for Gatorade, Budweiser and kissing Papa John on the field.

 

[intlzncster]

I really enjoy how he angers a guy like you, it's just so predictable that you would be the boneyard member who is most up in arms. You must have loved it when Peyton left the other Superbowl before the game was over and didn't congratulate any of the opposition, or him shilling for Gatorade, Budweiser and kissing Papa John on the field.

I like a different attitude as much as anyone, especially in today's world of corporate (read: boring) stars like Jeter, Mannings and yes (gasp) Brady. Give me the Pedros of the world. I want to be entertained.

That said, if you are going to pump your chest and revel in your own glory when you succeed, you've got to be a man about taking your own medicine when you lose or fail. You want the good, you've got to accept the bad.

 

[Kitaman]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...n-carolina-panthers-defends-walking-reporters

The guy appears to need a mentor or someone to help him through this funky situation. He's not making it better even if he's honest in his answers. However he's not saying regrettable things but things not creating resolution or public satisfaction.

The easy or conventional way would be to apologize and admit fault (which he did in a way). I suspect this whole episode including the Playoff weeks will be a teachable moment. If not then all of the negativity will worsen. Its up to him. Ego and pride are a bitcch to maintain and control especially during and after competitive moments. Muhammad Ali is a great example for those old enough to remember his public issues and subsequent criticisms.

With that said, it speaks to the character of the athlete and not necessarily the person. Sometimes fans don't and can't disconnect the two. Like entertainers or politicians, many public figures are one way with the uniform/microphone/camera and could be totally different privately. For example he's done a lot of charitable events with no public cameras or pre-announcements. This thread hopefully is about Cam 'the football player', meaning during the season and not off season. Hopefully all of this will die down and be forgotten or at least diminished, its not that important in the overall scheme of things. And if he's the new face of the NFL its not going to tarnish the league whatsoever, in fact the league will benefit from having him at top, he's certainly a magnate as this 8+ page thread indicates.

I will end all of this to say Cam is Cam and not a phony, good or bad, that I do respect.

 

[intlzncster]

I'd like to point out, that Cam is very, very, very low on the list of problems with NFL players in general. Let's not lose perspective on that.

 

[Deepster]

I really enjoy how he angers a guy like you, it's just so predictable that you would be the boneyard member who is most up in arms. You must have loved it when Peyton left the other Superbowl before the game was over and didn't congratulate any of the opposition, or him shilling for Gatorade, Budweiser and kissing Papa John on the field.

If you want to continue to throw labels around and turn it into a personal critique (of someone you have never met), go ahead.

I didn't care that Peyton Manning shilled out for his sponsors. Just like I didn't care when BLACK ATHLETE MARSHAWN LYNCH wore his Beast Mode gear during media day and it all sold out immediately. Just like I don't care when NASCAR drivers step out of their car wearing a jumpsuit with 30 different sponsors. Or when the Red Sox allow Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore to film a scene from "Fever Pitch" in the background of their first World Series win in 80-something years. Or when EVERY MVP FOR YEARS says they're "goin' to Disneyland".

I don't like Cam Newton's attitude. He has a sense of entitlement that goes back to his days in college. I don't like Johnny Manziel's attitude either. Or an entertainer like Justin Bieber. I don't care for people who feel they're above the rules or that they can do whatever they want because they happen to have a marketable skill.

 

[Scoe]

Seeing Cecil Newton on First Take made it very easy for me to route against the Panthers.

 

[intlzncster]

Or when the Red Sox allow Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore to film a scene from "Fever Pitch" in the background of their first World Series win in 80-something years.

As a Red Sox fan, I loathed that one. Get off our celebratory lawn!

 

[superjohn]

If you want to continue to throw labels around and turn it into a personal critique (of someone you have never met), go ahead.

I didn't care that Peyton Manning shilled out for his sponsors. Just like I didn't care when BLACK ATHLETE MARSHAWN LYNCH wore his Beast Mode gear during media day and it all sold out immediately. Just like I don't care when NASCAR drivers step out of their car wearing a jumpsuit with 30 different sponsors. Or when the Red Sox allow Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore to film a scene from "Fever Pitch" in the background of their first World Series win in 80-something years. Or when EVERY MVP FOR YEARS says they're "goin' to Disneyland".

I don't like Cam Newton's attitude. He has a sense of entitlement that goes back to his days in college. I don't like Johnny Manziel's attitude either. Or an entertainer like Justin Bieber. I don't care for people who feel they're above the rules or that they can do whatever they want because they happen to have a marketable skill.

Okay you have no problem with athletes being shills for corporations but you failed to answer how you felt about Peyton Manning walking off the field of one of his losing Super Bowls before the game was over and not congratulating his opponent? Manning certainly isn't the first to do this but I find it to be poor sportsmanship and if Cam Newton did it I'm pretty sure you would be frothing at the mouth. Interesting that you compare Manziel to Newton, Manziel is in the news for repeatedly beating up his girlfriend and threatening to kill her, Cam didn't answer enough reporter questions to satisfy you. What rules does Cam Newton feel he is above? Guy can't ever win in your book, you bashed him for all his charity work for chrissakes.

 

[intlzncster]

On a lighter note, here's some funny Conan satire RE the presser:

 

[Deepster]

Okay you have no problem with athletes being shills for corporations but you failed to answer how you felt about Peyton Manning walking off the field of one of his losing Super Bowls before the game was over and not congratulating his opponent? Manning certainly isn't the first to do this but I find it to be poor sportsmanship and if Cam Newton did it I'm pretty sure you would be frothing at the mouth. Interesting that you compare Manziel to Newton, Manziel is in the news for repeatedly beating up his girlfriend and threatening to kill her, Cam didn't answer enough reporter questions to satisfy you. What rules does Cam Newton feel he is above? Guy can't ever win in your book, you bashed him for all his charity work for chrissakes.

Honestly, I don't remember hearing anything about Peyton Manning walking off the field. I don't know anything about it and can't really comment. If it's as raw and blatant as you paint it to be, I think it sounds like a pretty thing to do. And I'd also probably temper it knowing that he's been a pretty gracious loser and interview, even through some pretty rough postseason exits.

Cam Newton pouted from the second he came into the NFL, then after mugging it up all season and in particular the last few weeks, he acted like a baby. And I'm not the only one that thinks so. And two days later, he basically comes out and says "Yeah. I acted like a baby. When I lose? I act like a baby. Deal with it." And that's the face of the new NFL. That's their most "valuable" player. And I'm not sure why it's so hard for understand why I don't like it.

 

[Deepster]

I watched the video and read a few articles on Manning leaving the field without shaking Brees' hand. His comments were:

“The stage is being set up for the celebration and it was time for the Saints to celebrate at midfield,” Manning said. “They deserved the moment.”

and

For the record, Peyton did call Brees later in the night. Said the Saints quarterback: "Peyton's a class guy."

From the video, it looked bad. He (and Reggie Wayne) both left and it looked bad. I guess, for me? It just doesn't ring out as loudly because Manning didn't mug it up so blatantly and abrasively all season long leading up to it. Newton makes it easier to hate him for that reason. Oh, and when it came to the press conference in 2010, here's how Manning handled himself.

 

[BUHusky]

Nuke. This. Thread.

 

[Jerry1714]

For the record, Peyton did call Brees later in the night. Said the Saints quarterback: "Peyton's a class guy."

And Peyton Manning called Cam Newton “extremely humble” and nothing but gracious to him following the game. So are you okay with it now?

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/08/super-bowl-50-broncos-panthers-cam-newton-peyton-manning-humble

Your post also shows that Peyton was terrible in handling his first SB loss but very gracious in defeat in his second. So I guess he learned from it. So can Cam.

How about Belicheck on numerous times leaving the field without shaking hands and being a sore loser? (Over/under of 15.5 posts of Upstarter denying/defending/rationalizing/blaming Goodell for BB's behavior) Including the last SB he lost.

Cam was at least man enough to shake hands with his fellow competitors and congratulate them, something BB and Peyton have not been man enough to do in the past.

I am not a fan of Cam or condoning the way he acted, but I just hope people blasted Peyton and BB for their immature behavior in defeat as well.

 

[superjohn]

I watched the video and read a few articles on Manning leaving the field without shaking Brees' hand. His comments were:

“The stage is being set up for the celebration and it was time for the Saints to celebrate at midfield,” Manning said. “They deserved the moment.”

and

For the record, Peyton did call Brees later in the night. Said the Saints quarterback: "Peyton's a class guy."

From the video, it looked bad. He (and Reggie Wayne) both left and it looked bad. I guess, for me? It just doesn't ring out as loudly because Manning didn't mug it up so blatantly and abrasively all season long leading up to it. Newton makes it easier to hate him for that reason. Oh, and when it came to the press conference in 2010, here's how Manning handled himself.

So Manning gets the benefit of the doubt for walking off the field before the game was over and not shaking hands with the opponent but Newton doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he walked away from reporters after having to listen to Chris Harris saying he can't throw the ball. Newton went right over to Manning to congratulate him and Manning says how incredibly gracious he was, yet you and so many others focus on him leaving the press conference. I guess I just don't understand why this has become the big story. Peyton had HGH sent to his house and sent goons posing as cops to the journalist's house who exposed the story to intimidate him and we are talking about what a bad guy Cam Newton is? Seems we have two superstars being held to very different standards.

 

[gtcam]

Was listening to Joe D and Gresh coming home tonite
Gresh said that Cam was asked about not going after the fumble
Cam responded - "IT WAS A BUSINESS DECISION"
Really?????
I was only questioning Cam's demeanor and decision making
NOW I question his character
Would go to war with this guy? Not me