OT but Big: UNC not out of the woods yet.

[upstater]

BryanDFischer Bryan Fischer
Well then. RT @DavidTeelatDP: NCAA reopening 2011 probe of academic irregularities at #UNC, AD Bubba Cunningham says.

 

[tcf15]

 

[tykurez]

Quite frankly, the NCAA needs to investigate its irregular handling of UNC's irregularities.

 

[Chuck]

Fast forward 2 years:

CHAPEL HILL, NC--- The NCAA has announced that it has decided to give the University of North Carolina two extra men's basketball scholarships and ten extra football scholarships. The extra scholarships stem from the NCAA's review of fake classes that were frequented by UNC athletes.

In a statement, the NCAA said 'after a second (or third or whatever) careful review, we have confirmed that the fake classes were not just open to athletes. Therefore, this is not an athletic fraud. Furthermore, we are acknowledging that during that time period, UNC students received exemplary grades which should not be overlooked. We hope that the extra scholarships will serve as a reminder to other power schools that we will always look out for the well being of student athletes. Less "traditional" programs should, however, be warned that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.'

 

[Rico444]

Fast forward 2 years:

CHAPEL HILL, NC--- The NCAA has announced that it has decided to give the University of North Carolina two extra men's basketball scholarships and ten extra football scholarships. The extra scholarships stem from the NCAA's review of fake classes that were frequented by UNC athletes.

In a statement, the NCAA said 'after a second (or third or whatever) careful review, we have confirmed that the fake classes were not just open to athletes. Therefore, this is not an athletic fraud. Furthermore, we are acknowledging that during that time period, UNC students received exemplary grades which should not be overlooked. We hope that the extra scholarships will serve as a reminder to other power schools that we will always look out for the well being of student athletes. Less "traditional" programs should, however, be warned that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.'

You forgot to mention that they're taking all of those scholarships from UConn to give to UNC.

 

[Husky1972]

Fast forward 2 years:

CHAPEL HILL, NC--- The NCAA has announced that it has decided to give the University of North Carolina two extra men's basketball scholarships and ten extra football scholarships. The extra scholarships stem from the NCAA's review of fake classes that were frequented by UNC athletes.

In a statement, the NCAA said 'after a second (or third or whatever) careful review, we have confirmed that the fake classes were not just open to athletes. Therefore, this is not an athletic fraud. Furthermore, we are acknowledging that during that time period, UNC students received exemplary grades which should not be overlooked. We hope that the extra scholarships will serve as a reminder to other power schools that we will always look out for the well being of student athletes. Less "traditional" programs should, however, be warned that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.'

Furthermore, the NCAA is reinstating the ban on The University of Connecticut's participation in post season tournaments for an additional four years. The University of Connecticut's exemplary academic performance over the past five years underscores the Committee's belief that prior to this recent time period, the University was negligent by not encouraging high academic achievement for its student athletes. Following this four year ban, The University of Connecticut will be on probation, and if either substandard or superior academic performance is measured, further penalties will be invoked.

 

[OkaForPrez]

40 Days after receipt of this.

UNC is going to take it on the chin folks. If you are following the O Bannon case then you know that the only way the NCAA can defend itself is by highlighting the value of the education the players are receiving as "payment" for the value they bring to the institutions.

They can't make that case and skirt responsibility in holding the member institutions accountable for ensuring the education their athletes are receiving is valid.

UNC will be vaporized to show that the NCAA is serious about the education athletes are being provided.

 

[elduderino]

At some point the AAU might want to investigate whether or not its member schools actively promote and maintain BS classes right? The NCAA lost a great deal of its credibility a while ago, kind of strange the AAU hasn't stepped up to fill some of the power void along with the P5.

 

[upstater]

At some point the AAU might want to investigate whether or not its member schools actively promote and maintain BS classes right? The NCAA lost a great deal of its credibility a while ago, kind of strange the AAU hasn't stepped up to fill some of the power void along with the P5.

The AAU is a lobbying organization located on K Street in DC. They have little to do with academics. The whole point of the AAU is lobbying congressman to fund national science research.

More to the point, this is an issue for regional accreditation agencies. They are the ones who should be interested in what is going on.

 

[Rocktheworld]

40 Days after receipt of this.

UNC is going to take it on the chin folks. If you are following the O Bannon case then you know that the only way the NCAA can defend itself is by highlighting the value of the education the players are receiving as "payment" for the value they bring to the institutions.

They can't make that case and skirt responsibility in holding the member institutions accountable for ensuring the education their athletes are receiving is valid.

UNC will be vaporized to show that the NCAA is serious about the education athletes are being provided.

They might lose a whole scholarship

 

[Palatine]

More bullspit from the NCAA. They will probably decide to add scholarships to UNC.

 

[elduderino]

The AAU is a lobbying organization located on K Street in DC. They have little to do with academics. The whole point of the AAU is lobbying congressman to fund national science research.

More to the point, this is an issue for regional accreditation agencies. They are the ones who should be interested in what is going on.

I see what youre saying, but I generally don't think accreditation agencies would be interested in pursuing the kind of power grab I was referring to. Reporting to the U.S. Secretary of Ed, wouldn't make them as ideal a candidate to challenge the NCAA as a private lobbying group IMO. The NCAA has been Munsoning itself for awhile and the P5 are obviously looking to steal away a lot of their thunder through athletic revenue. The AAU is the largest revenue generating arm with regards to academics and as such would make an ideal partner for the P5 as the model shifts outward from the current NCAA structure. This would require the AAU to take a more proactive role with regards to its members behaviors in academics just as the P5 have begun examining and taking steps to separate from the rest heard while unifying their athletic standards. Simply put, the NCAA is bleeding and leaving power on the table for someone to grab, and I think the AAU would make a strong Yin to the P5's Yang.

 

[upstater]

I see what youre saying, but I generally don't think accreditation agencies would be interested in pursuing the kind of power grab I was referring to. Reporting to the U.S. Secretary of Ed, wouldn't make them as ideal a candidate to challenge the NCAA as a private lobbying group IMO. The NCAA has been Munsoning itself for awhile and the P5 are obviously looking to steal away a lot of their thunder through athletic revenue. The AAU is the largest revenue generating arm with regards to academics and as such would make an ideal partner for the P5 as the model shifts outward from the current NCAA structure. This would require the AAU to take a more proactive role with regards to its members behaviors in academics just as the P5 have begun examining and taking steps to separate from the rest heard while unifying their athletic standards. Simply put, the NCAA is bleeding and leaving power on the table for someone to grab, and I think the AAU would make a strong Yin to the P5's Yang.

Accreditation carries all the weight and makes all the difference. It's the only real disciplinary force in academia. And the AAU really does nothing but take directions from the members. It doesn't police the members at all. Nor does the AAU really generate any money. They simply lobby congress to increase the national endowments. But that doesn't mean the AAU or the AAU schools get grants from those endowments. Rather, individual professors write proposals which are approved by other professors and thereby funded by the endowments. The AAU is a good thing for these schools because historically the AAU schools have averaged 50% of endowment grants each and every year. The AAU is becoming less important now that the endowments have been thrashed and we've had sequestration battles in congress.

 

[pnete]

Just how much cash do you think this will cost ESPN to have this scandal go away?

 

[UChusky916]

These claims of fake classes/grades are far worse than NCAA imposing sanctions retroactively against UConn for APR failures.

What are the odds that UNC receives CLOSE to the punishment that UConn received? UNC deserves a post-season ban and more for this... guarantee it does not come to that. And that's what's wrong with the NCAA... never mind the fact it's taken many people coming forward and forcing the NCAA's hand at a REAL investigation and punishment.

 

[elduderino]

Accreditation carries all the weight and makes all the difference. It's the only real disciplinary force in academia. And the AAU really does nothing but take directions from the members. It doesn't police the members at all. Nor does the AAU really generate any money. They simply lobby congress to increase the national endowments. But that doesn't mean the AAU or the AAU schools get grants from those endowments. Rather, individual professors write proposals which are approved by other professors and thereby funded by the endowments. The AAU is a good thing for these schools because historically the AAU schools have averaged 50% of endowment grants each and every year. The AAU is becoming less important now that the endowments have been thrashed and we've had sequestration battles in congress.

Historically speaking, yes I absolutely agree that accreditation was the be all, end all in academics, as would my father, a retired college professor. However, I believe a paradigm shift is occurring in education as well as in big time college athletics. The average long term personal debt ramifications of a traditional education have been well discussed and documented for a very long time and have directly led to the dramatic proliferation of online and for-profit educational formats. Institutions such as Grand Canyon University and their for-profit business model are reaping windfall successes while also now entering into midmajor college athletics territory, and I believe that this trend will only increase as smaller nfp institutions are unable to successfully complete with more pliable fp structures.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ausing-stir-division-hoops-college-basketball
While this has almost nothing to do with the current business of the AAU, it is strongly indicative of the of the shift occurring and at an increasing rate in post secondary education and I believe the diminishing inherent value of accreditation as a whole (case in point, Liberty University). While the AAU does not technically generate revenue, it is the front office sales force of grant recipients, if that makes sense, and as such represents the academic integrity of member institutions in a more quantifiable manner than any accreditation agency ever could. I would also have to disagree that with sequestration fights and budget cuts the purpose of the AAU is more likely more necessary than ever before as are individual university's private endowment funds, which basically operate as a hedge fund under nfp status, but that's a whole other topic. What youre saying about the AAU and professor grants are absolutely correct, but personally I believe as the college academic and athletic arenas change, the AAU could be in the ideal position to seemingly replace whatever value accreditation agencies currently provide, but as such should would also need to exert greater influence and unifying standards on its members. Thanks for the replys, good discussion.

 

[J-dog]

You have to love this self-serving CYA statement the NCAA spews out…

So people refused to talk or were basically uncooperative so the NCAA came away with the ruling that there was nothing there due to the classes being available to all students… It never occurred to them that someone might be covering something up?

Oh yeah… They also reminded everyone that if anyone came forward with any new info they would take another look…

What a bunch of clowns!!!!

 

[mauconnfan]

If it all goes the way it should they will fire the UNC grad they sent in to check things out a couple years back and then put them on probation for longer than UConn's APR score held them out…….otherwise it's all a smokescreen!

 

[Scot-e]

The NCAA really can not do anything right. They should have left it as a colossal F up on their part- one of many. But no- they open the case up again and prove once again they have no clue- no morals and do not care about any but the most important schools. This is another joke that has no punch line.

 

[intlzncster]

40 Days after receipt of this.

UNC is going to take it on the chin folks. If you are following the O Bannon case then you know that the only way the NCAA can defend itself is by highlighting the value of the education the players are receiving as "payment" for the value they bring to the institutions.

They can't make that case and skirt responsibility in holding the member institutions accountable for ensuring the education their athletes are receiving is valid.

UNC will be vaporized to show that the NCAA is serious about the education athletes are being provided.

Probaby not though.

 

[Adios]

Vacated title, at least?

 

[David 76]

Federal Prosecutor.
That is pretty meaningful. They don't like coming out empty handed!

 

[John]

BryanDFischer Bryan Fischer
Well then. RT @DavidTeelatDP: NCAA reopening 2011 probe of academic irregularities at #UNC, AD Bubba Cunningham says.

wow, so they may still lose a scholarship.....

 

[champs99and04]

So we signed Jalen Adams and potentially tied UNC for titles in the same day, not bad.

 

[BoatShow]

Guys you're overlooking the real issue. Did a family friend of the Boatrights buy Ryan's mom a plane ticket?