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I'm glad we don't have that football culture that many of the other schools have. Actually I'm glad that football is not so pervasive here that it rules every day life like it does in some parts of the country. I find that a bit weird when I travel to states down south. For whatever reason football seems to be a magnet for crime.
 

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I'm going to toot my own horn. About 1 1/2 to 2 years ago before the lawsuit I replied to a post by Coco that I smelled something coming out of Baylor that had a bad odor. I had no knowledge, just a feeling. I asked Coco had he heard anything coming from the WBB program. He said he didn't really have a contacts but that he'd heard nothing. Soon after this broke. This story was so sad and tragic I said nothing, because I told you so seemed petty, silly and worthless compared to these women pain. I bring this up now not because I want any notoriety, but man, I'm smelling something else from the northwest that's just as nasty. I don't know if it's WBB, MBB, football or what, but I'm getting that itch again, and it ain't pretty. I'm just saying.
 
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I'm going to toot my own horn. About 1 1/2 to 2 years ago before the lawsuit I replied to a post by Coco that I smelled something coming out of Baylor that had a bad odor. I had no knowledge, just a feeling. I asked Coco had he heard anything coming from the WBB program. He said he didn't really have a contacts but that he'd heard nothing. Soon after this broke. This story was so sad and tragic I said nothing, because I told you so seemed petty, silly and worthless compared to these women pain. I bring this up now not because I want any notoriety, but man, I'm smelling something else from the northwest that's just as nasty. I don't know if it's WBB, MBB, football or what, but I'm getting that itch again, and it ain't pretty. I'm just saying.
Baylor is dirty. Remember, this is the school that tried to cover up a murder, or at least interfere in the investigation of one. It's just funny seeing how UConn gets slammed for every little thing while other schools get away with academic fraud for two decades and others act like crime syndicates. Baylor also hates gay people. To be honest I don't know how they are still in business these days or why someone would go there.
 

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Baylor is dirty. Remember, this is the school that tried to cover up a murder, or at least interfere in the investigation of one. It's just funny seeing how UConn gets slammed for every little thing while other schools get away with academic fraud for two decades and others act like crime syndicates. Baylor also hates gay people. To be honest I don't know how they are still in business these days or why someone would go there.
Well certainly their football admin is and anyone within that organization that supported them, suppressed the evidence or gave them a look away pass. I'm not yet willing to paint the WBB team with the same brush. But yeah, I sometimes wonder why any young woman would want to be near that environment.
 
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Part of the issue, of course, is that Baylor is a private institution and therefore not subject to the same types of transparency as are public institutions (like UConn, where Geno's contract, for example, is a matter of public record). The default at private institutions is generally to try to rely on their own privacy. And then there is the fact that Baylor is a religious institution, and they are especially eager to look "holier than thou" and so quite often suppress what needs to be aired. And finally, there was the president...a guy named Kenneth Starr, who had a little history with something to do with sex, IIRC. Maybe he didn't want to look complicit in the sort of thing that he had made his bones prosecuting.
 
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Part of the issue, of course, is that Baylor is a private institution and therefore not subject to the same types of transparency as are public institutions (like UConn, where Geno's contract, for example, is a matter of public record). The default at private institutions is generally to try to rely on their own privacy. And then there is the fact that Baylor is a religious institution, and they are especially eager to look "holier than thou" and so quite often suppress what needs to be aired. And finally, there was the president...a guy named Kenneth Starr, who had a little history with something to do with sex, IIRC. Maybe he didn't want to look complicit in the sort of thing that he had made his bones prosecuting.
Starr is no longer President.
 

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The scale of the allegations is the eye-opener. If some/any of these are true, I can only hope for all the best for the victims and their families/loved ones.

I'm still scratching my head that Matt Rhule, an easterner, took the HC position given the loose ends in Waco.
Yes, I know money and some very smooth administrators talk, but that position had warning signs blaring at high frequency all around it. Plus, he was sure to get his share of offers from other P5 schools. However, since he's there, let's hope he can brings some value(s).

Quite candidly, I'm still surprised the sinkhole has not affected other aspects of the athletic department and university as a whole.

(P.S. Yes, I'm sure this does happen at other institutions -- it's a nationwide issue -- and Notre Dame has had more than it's share of incidents. But the track record up to this point and now alleged larger scale is really alarming..)
 
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Thank goodness for Mulkey and Drew. They have brought dignity to their programs when it is sorely lacking in other areas.

One would have to wonder how Ms. Doe has knowledge of 52 rapes. Anyone can throw numbers out without proof. Just remember, Trump actually won the popular vote had it not been for those 3 - 5 million people who voted illegally. Maybe that number is correct, maybe it is made up. But 1 rape is too many and is disgusting.
 

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I'm glad we don't have that football culture that many of the other schools have.
Not so sure that you can limit it to "a football culture."

The lawsuit describes a culture of sexual violence under former Baylor football coach Art Briles in which the school implemented a "show 'em a good time" policy that "used sex to sell" the football program to recruits. That included escorting underage recruits to strip clubs and arranging women to have sex with prospective players, the suit alleges.

That sounds suspiciously like Rick Pitino's Louisville program.
 
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Thank goodness for Mulkey and Drew. They have brought dignity to their programs when it is sorely lacking in other areas.

One would have to wonder how Ms. Doe has knowledge of 52 rapes. Anyone can throw numbers out without proof. Just remember, Trump actually won the popular vote had it not been for those 3 - 5 million people who voted illegally. Maybe that number is correct, maybe it is made up. But 1 rape is too many and is disgusting.

Maybe Mulkey but I doubt Drew and dignity work together. Suddenly the best players in the country are knocking on the door at Baylor for basketball because of Scott Drew? Can't but that one, something happening in Waco but whatever, it happens.
 

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Whenever this sort of story hits the internet the Boneyard rises up in righteous indignation, accepting allegations and accusations as fact without waiting to see where the truth lies.
 
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Whenever this sort of story hits the internet the Boneyard rises up in righteous indignation, accepting allegations and accusations as fact without waiting to see where the truth lies.
I agree. 'cause it's not like there's been any history of anything going on at Baylor in the recent past, right?

Oh. Wait.
 
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Regardless of the extent - I think we focus to narrowly on Baylor as Baylor, whether the football program itself or the (Religious) institution, forgetting its ties (in whatever fashion) to whatever organized religious body it is connected to (it isn't a stand alone, I'm sure) that certainly doesn't want its affiliate giving it a bad name. And - even beyond that - the desire to appear holy as a representative of its perception of greater Christianity.

A wide range of similar, but different, reasons for them to think that "hiding" the truth is the best route. And as others have said, amazingly hypocritical.
 
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There are 3 types of college football programs*:
1. Those that knowingly cheat, break laws and provide extra benefits
2. Those that allow others, either minions or outsiders, to cheat, break laws and provide
extra benefits
3. Those that replace their coach every 3 to 4 years due to losing.

*there are a few exceptions
 

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Maybe Mulkey but I doubt Drew and dignity work together. Suddenly the best players in the country are knocking on the door at Baylor for basketball because of Scott Drew? Can't but that one, something happening in Waco but whatever, it happens.

I'm sure some people said the same thing about Geno at one time. Suddenly the best players in the country are knocking on the door at UCONN for basketball because of Geno. Meaning that players ARE attracted to a good coach at times and not because there is something shady going on. Oh wait, didn't Tennessee fans accuse Geno of being shady when recruiting Maya?

If someone has facts that substantiate something I am happy to listen. Otherwise, your assertion is as baseless as that security guard who filed sexual harassment charges against Geno.
 
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I'm sure some people said the same thing about Geno at one time. Suddenly the best players in the country are knocking on the door at UCONN for basketball because of Geno. Meaning that players ARE attracted to a good coach at times and not because there is something shady going on. Oh wait, didn't Tennessee fans accuse Geno of being shady when recruiting Maya?

If someone has facts that substantiate something I am happy to listen. Otherwise, your assertion is as baseless as that security guard who filed sexual harassment charges against Geno.
I can well understand your frustrations with both what's going on and what's been alleged beyond any facts to have been going on, but your two referenes to accusations against Geno that you then sort of debunk is not "staying classy" either. Either make provable charges or not, is what you're saying to mauconnfan, and the same can be said to you.
 

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I can well understand your frustrations with both what's going on and what's been alleged beyond any facts to have been going on, but your two referenes to accusations against Geno that you then sort of debunk is not "staying classy" either. Either make provable charges or not, is what you're saying to mauconnfan, and the same can be said to you.

I am just pointing out that unfounded accusations are not appreciated by anyone, either by UCONN or Baylor fans, and used those two unsubstantiated accusations against Geno as examples. How about we stick to the facts instead of the things we conjure up in our imaginations.
 
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I am just pointing out that unfounded accusations are not appreciated by anyone, either by UCONN or Baylor fans, and used those two unsubstantiated accusations against Geno as examples. How about we stick to the facts instead of the things we conjure up in our imaginations.
Sure, I get that and what you just wrote is all you needed to say. But specifying what those charges were is a rhetorical strategy to introduce to the conversation that the charges might, just might be true. It's a standard political ploy. Not trying to start an argument here, just reflecting how it sounded.
 

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Sure, I get that and what you just wrote is all you needed to say. But specifying what those charges were is a rhetorical strategy to introduce to the conversation that the charges might, just might be true. It's a standard political ploy. Not trying to start an argument here, just reflecting how it sounded.

It is your interpretation based on past experiences. I cannot control that.
 
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I'm sure some people said the same thing about Geno at one time. Suddenly the best players in the country are knocking on the door at UCONN for basketball because of Geno. Meaning that players ARE attracted to a good coach at times and not because there is something shady going on. Oh wait, didn't Tennessee fans accuse Geno of being shady when recruiting Maya?

If someone has facts that substantiate something I am happy to listen. Otherwise, your assertion is as baseless as that security guard who filed sexual harassment charges against Geno.

You're clueless, Geno and Drew can't be compared. Drew isn't a good coach or else they would have been much more impactful in the NCAA tourney with the payers he's had at Baylor. Hence my point. I don't have proof but I also have nothing on Calipari and World Wide Wes, it's just there!;) So relax and just watch the women.
 

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You're clueless, Geno and Drew can't be compared. Drew isn't a good coach or else they would have been much more impactful in the NCAA tourney with the payers he's had at Baylor. Hence my point. I don't have proof but I also have nothing on Calipari and World Wide Wes, it's just there!;) So relax and just watch the women.

I hope you are never a juror... Sounds like you are just a disgruntled MBB fan frustrated with a not-so-good season that you are enduring.

And since you are preaching about the abuse of women, what's with that phenomenally sexist avatar?
 

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