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Excalibur said:
Does anyone else here appreciate the irony of criticizing the cherry picking of stats by cherry picking stats?
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I think pretty much everyone, except for one guy.
 
He sucked a year ago, changed to a conference that didn't challenge his ineptness and did okay......no one in the NBA noticed I'm sure excpet maybe the fact his hands still sucked and he had TWO rebounds against a physical Colorado State team which Louisville manhandled - there's more proof of how tough he is........typical of AO and love the ending!!:D
 
partial said:
So efficiency, free throw percentage and adanced statistics are irrelevant? By any reasonable measure his stats have significantly improved at missouri, and a rational reading of just the numbers leads one to the opposite conclusion as in the op. That is the premise seemed to be he has not improved at all in his draft status and here are numbers to back that up because of min, pts per game and rebounds, whereas if you look at any other basketball metric they show that he has improved.
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The major stats are minutes, points and rebounds. A deeper dive into the numbers can be illuminating but using the major stats and giving them for all four years is not cherry picking.
 
CL82 said:
I think pretty much everyone, except for one guy.
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must be true no one has liked my posts.

I gave a link to all the stats i could find, i pointed out some that i thought should be included, and the full numbers indicate he had the best year of his career at missouri which is what i said. I don't particularly care for AO and i must be tilting at windmills, but to me his stats alone clearly paint the opposite picture of the assertion in the op and i don't think they were included as a counterpoint.

If everyone will excuse me now i have to take some crazy pills and continue beating a dead horse.
 
Palatine said:
The major stats are minutes, points and rebounds. A deeper dive into the numbers can be illuminating but using the major stats and giving them for all four years is not cherry picking.
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That i overreacted seems true, that no one cares about this as much as me seems abundantly clear. But, i don't think i'm wrong about my critique.
 
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partial said:
Don't cherry pick or at least if you're going to use numbers do a thorough job: his efficiency, free throw percentage and rebounding rate improved drastically at missouri compared to his last year. If anything the stats seem to show that he showed improvement at UConn until his junior year which resulted in a nose dive, and at missouri he markedly improved or equalled his best in every major statistic. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Alex-Oriakhi-5099/stats/

Anyway in terms of exposure you may be right, but by looking at numbers i wouldn't be surprised at all if someone takes a chance on him in the second round just because of that, he'll certainly be able to go to the D league route if he wants to. I don't know how much it'll help but he has certainly shown a lot of improvement and that can only be a good thing for his draft status.
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As one of the posters points out below, including all of his numbers on minutes, points and rebounds is hardly cherry picking. I think when you analyze the numbers, including the periphery numbers you include, it shows that there is a ceiling to Oriahki and his abilities. He reached that ceiling his sophomore year at Uconn as demonstrated by the fact that his senior year numbers are the same as his sophomore year numbers. If the grass really was greener in Missouri, he would have exceeded those sophomore year numbers substanially.....and he didn't. Everybody looks for upside in a player. I think the numbers show that there is little upside to Oriakhi.
 
Most people still pronounce his name Or-e-ah-chi outside of UConn and Missouri fans. No one cares or knows or cares to know him besides us.

Best of luck to him.
 
He was entering his Sr year and UConn was banned from the Tournament. Transferring was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Let it go.
 
AO left the Big East and played in a much easier conference this year. He should have had better stats, and he did. Did he help himself this year....probably not.

He cooked his own goose last year with the NBA scouts. If you think they didn't see that he quit on the team, treated his HOF coach with disrespect during the season and then had the poor judgment to trash him again after he left; think again. I'll be amazed if he gets drafted. Questionable talent and a head case to boot does not an NBA career make. I wish the kid well but it's going to be in the D league or overseas
 
Uconnrick said:
AO left the Big East and played in a much easier conference this year. He should have had better stats, and he did. Did he help himself this year....probably not.

He cooked his own goose last year with the NBA scouts. If you think they didn't see that he quit on the team, treated his HOF coach with disrespect during the season and then had the poor judgment to trash him again after he left; think again. I'll be amazed if he gets drafted. Questionable talent and a head case to boot does not an NBA career make. I wish the kid well but it's going to be in the D league or overseas
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Agreed but he is neither D league talent nor will an overseas team waste a spot at least in euro maybe south america. the kid is a bad egg made more rotten by a father who lives thru his son. look at his adopted brother Jamal Coombs-McDaniel and you see a continued hitory of errors in judgement
 
I'm not Oriaki fan but I really believe Drummond was subtraction by addition. While Drummond was an incredible athlete, Uconn was going nowhere without Oriaki playing well. Instead, sitting got to him and his relationship with JC fell apart. I said at the beggining of that season that Oriaki playing well was the key to success. To say he didn't play well would be kind. Things may have been different if we didn't sign Drummond and if JC did a better job of coaching.Or things would have been the same. We'll never know.
 
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Danzz said:
I'm not Oriaki fan but I really believe Drummond was subtraction by addition. While Drummond was an incredible athlete, Uconn was going nowhere without Oriaki playing well. Instead, sitting got to him and his relationship with JC fell apart. I said at the beggining of that season that Oriaki playing well was the key to success. To say he didn't play well would be kind. Things may have been different if we didn't sign Drummond and if JC did a better job of coaching.Or things would have been the same. We'll never know.
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Although Andre did not make the impact we all thought he would he was a superior player than Alex ever could have been no matter who came in......if there was no Andre the team would not have made the tourney, AO was that bad!!
 
Last year's team wasn't going anywhere with either Oriakhi or Drummond. Both were dumb as rocks on the basketball court.

The talent of our guards should have been able to overcome that, but didn't. Lamb/Bazz/Boat never gelled. Just an all-around horrible year.

I miss the teams like 2009 that just kicked ass wire to wire and could beat you in a number of different ways. That was the last real UConn-caliber team, in my opinion.
 
freescooter said:
He was entering his Sr year and UConn was banned from the Tournament. Transferring was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Let it go.
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Uconn93 said:
As one of the posters points out below, including all of his numbers on minutes, points and rebounds is hardly cherry picking. I think when you analyze the numbers, including the periphery numbers you include, it shows that there is a ceiling to Oriahki and his abilities. He reached that ceiling his sophomore year at Uconn as demonstrated by the fact that his senior year numbers are the same as his sophomore year numbers. If the grass really was greener in Missouri, he would have exceeded those sophomore year numbers substanially.....and he didn't. Everybody looks for upside in a player. I think the numbers show that there is little upside to Oriakhi.
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Wonder if any coincidence that his "better" years had fellas named Kemba and Pressy as point guards and his weak year had a hurt/learning Bazz and wild Boat as point guards. Jason Kidd made Josh look like an NBA player with the Nets.
 
partial said:
That i overreacted seems true, that no one cares about this as much as me seems abundantly clear. But, i don't think i'm wrong about my critique.
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That's about as bad an apology as Newt Gingrich's (by apologizing for his affairs and then saying they were caused by how much he loved his country). If you're not sorry, please don't waste bandwidth saying you are.
 
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CL82 said:
Yeah, I kinda liked the 2011 team.
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I loved that team, but let's be honest. Talent-wise, they weren't on par with the dominant teams of yore (1995, 1996, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2009), or even the teams a notch below that (1994, 1998, 2002, 2005). You could make the argument that they were closer to those third-tier teams (2000, 2003, 2008) than to any of those teams above that garnered #2 seeds or higher.
 
businesslawyer said:
That's about as bad an apology as Newt Gingrich's (by apologizing for his affairs and then saying they were caused by how much he loved his country). If you're not sorry, please don't waste bandwidth saying you are.
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Oh i see that's clever because if anything the use of the internet is about efficiency, as i assume all your 5000+ posts reflect.

Let me be more clear I don't think i'm wrong and remain unconvinced that my analysis was incorrect, but i can see that no one shares my opinion so i'll just be the unusually quite guy with an unkempt beard and a card board sign that says we are all doomed.
 
mauconnfan said:
Although Andre did not make the impact we all thought he would he was a superior player than Alex ever could have been no matter who came in......if there was no Andre the team would not have made the tourney, AO was that bad!!
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No matter how many times you say that, you are dead wrong. Go back and look at the plus minuses during the Big EAst season. There was a material difference -- with the team being better -- when AO was on the court versus when Drummond was on the court. I know the fact doesn't square with your opinion, but the thing about facts is they exist even when they don't support your opinion.
 
Danzz said:
I'm not Oriaki fan but I really believe Drummond was subtraction by addition. While Drummond was an incredible athlete, Uconn was going nowhere without Oriaki playing well. Instead, sitting got to him and his relationship with JC fell apart. I said at the beggining of that season that Oriaki playing well was the key to success. To say he didn't play well would be kind. Things may have been different if we didn't sign Drummond and if JC did a better job of coaching.Or things would have been the same. We'll never know.
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A gazillion per cent this.

Maybe Drummond would have been better integrated into the team if he had decided on the same timetable as everyone else, or if he had ever learned how to really play basketball in prep school instead of just learning how his superior size and athleticism allowed him to do anything he wanted without skills. Or if our PG didn't go in and out of the lineup based on his family's actions and the NCAA's games. Or if our Coach didn't leave the bench twice and interfere with team building. But the fact is Drummond never did get integrated. The things that he could do on the court -- and they were many for a freshman -- never got blended with this team so that they made the team better.

It is not necessarily Drummond's fault that he never integrated into the team, but the fact was that he never did. Did AO handle it well personally? Of course not. (And his Dad is, at best, a lunatic, if not a schmuck, although why anyone on here cares about his father is totally beyond me -- do I care about Pudge's father when I praise or criticize a Pudge post?). So let him take his share of the blame along with Boatright's struggles to harness his athletic ability into basketball skills, and Drummonds, and Calhoun's inability to figure out how to use those skills without making it harder for AO and Roscoe and Daniels and Tyler and Giffey to have a useful role on the team. But there is every reason to think that the team would have been no worse, and might have been substantially better, had Drummond never shown up on campus.
 
businesslawyer said:
(And his Dad is, at best, a lunatic, if not a schmuck, although why anyone on here cares about his father is totally beyond me -- do I care about Pudge's father when I praise or criticize a Pudge post?)..
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But you might, if posted to ...say, call your wife a mumu or indicated that your firm was being mismanaged. No one cared about Mr. O. until he became a public embarassment, then they did.
 
CL82 said:
But you might, if posted to ...say, call your wife a mumu or indicated that your firm was being mismanaged. No one cared about Mr. O. until he became a public embarassment, then they did.
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It only reflects on the Dad. The blaming AO for it is beyond unfair, bordering on the bizarre.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
I loved that team, but let's be honest. Talent-wise, they weren't on par with the dominant teams of yore (1995, 1996, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2009), or even the teams a notch below that (1994, 1998, 2002, 2005). You could make the argument that they were closer to those third-tier teams (2000, 2003, 2008) than to any of those teams above that garnered #2 seeds or higher.
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I think you are confusing talent and experience. People forget how young that team was - five freshman, two sophomores, one junior, and one senior constituted our top nine. The nine conference losses were a product of the five freshman losing their Big East virginity, plus Kemba wearing down a bit from carrying the load all season. The contiunity on the court obviously wasn't on par with the aforementioned teams either, given it was a group that had been playing together for five months.

The backcourt was composed of two lottery picks, our frontcourt had three top 50 recruits, and we brought another kid off the bench who might go down as one of the best Huskies ever if he returns for his senior season.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I loved that team, but let's be honest. Talent-wise, they weren't on par with the dominant teams of yore (1995, 1996, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2009), or even the teams a notch below that (1994, 1998, 2002, 2005). You could make the argument that they were closer to those third-tier teams (2000, 2003, 2008) than to any of those teams above that garnered #2 seeds or higher.
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In what sense was the talent level different on the 2003 team compared to 2004, or 98 compared to 99? And how would 94 be a notch below considering it had basically the 95 team plus Donyell?
 
Inyatkin said:
In what sense was the talent level different on the 2003 team compared to 2004, or 98 compared to 99? And how would 94 be a notch below considering it had basically the 95 team plus Donyell?
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Do you really think Kemba from 09-10 was as good as Kemba from 10-11? Maybe it's just arguing semantics from here on out, but that's clearly what he meant.
 
+ /- is one of the most flawed statistics in basketball. Had he not got injured, dre would have been the second best rookie in the league. But he apparantly didn't know how to play basketball six monthes before that? I just looked up the those +/- between the two, AO is a whopping one point better than freshman dre.
 
James said:
+ /- is one of the most flawed statistics in basketball. Had he not got injured, dre would have been the second best rookie in the league. But he apparantly didn't know how to play basketball six monthes before that? I just looked up the those +/- between the two, AO is a whopping one point better than freshman dre.
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Now read what I actually wrote. Which was to look at the Big East season.

By the way, I just don't agree on plus and minus. Some players make teams better without piling stats and others don't. I know there are more complex statistical models to try to get at that, but plus and minus -- while not meaningful necessarily over a game -- is very meaningful over the course of a 16 game conference season. If you are usually better with player A on the floor than player B, after a few games it stops being important if you can tell why that is.
 
businesslawyer said:
No matter how many times you say that, you are dead wrong. Go back and look at the plus minuses during the Big EAst season. There was a material difference -- with the team being better -- when AO was on the court versus when Drummond was on the court. I know the fact doesn't square with your opinion, but the thing about facts is they exist even when they don't support your opinion.
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I am dead wrong? You are totally oblivious bus man..........there is NO comparison here unless you just don't know squat about the game!! This is a ridiculous statement and bias at best.......sorry but you are so far off!!
 
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