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Will it come down to the Rueck technical and a four point turn?
Oregon St (15) @ Stanford (4) - 2/21/20
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@triaddukefan can I say Oregon St. is without question the best 7-8 in conference team in the country? 
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I'm not sure. Their 8 losses are the 2 closest PAC12 losses to #3 Oregon, 2 3 pt losses to #4 Stanford, #8 UCLA in OT on their court, split #11 Arizona, split a ranked ASU, and one "bad" 6 pt loss at USC. Other good wins include over #12 Depaul and #23 Missouri State. As long as they win their next 4 games, even if they lose that 2nd PAC12 tourney game it will be to a top 8 team. I still say they host. I still don't see another 4 seed who would be as deserving as OSU.
Unequivocally when you look at their conference losses.@triaddukefan can I say Oregon St. is without question the best 7-8 in conference team in the country?
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Maybe. So close so many times, but they kept coming up short.
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There's a more than decent chance we'll be seeing a rematch in exactly 2 weeks. Strong likelihood this is the 3 vs. 6 game on Friday of the Pac-12 tournament.
Stanford has a 1-game lead on UCLA but the much harder stretch of games to close. If they end up tied for 2nd in the standings, UCLA holds the tiebreaker by H2H.
Oregon State is now in 6th, two games behind ASU, and even if ASU manages to lose 2 of their next 3 games, ASU would hold the tiebreaker by virtue of their win over Oregon.
This is where we're really seeing the impact of the unbalanced conference schedules.
Stanford has a 1-game lead on UCLA but the much harder stretch of games to close. If they end up tied for 2nd in the standings, UCLA holds the tiebreaker by H2H.
Oregon State is now in 6th, two games behind ASU, and even if ASU manages to lose 2 of their next 3 games, ASU would hold the tiebreaker by virtue of their win over Oregon.
This is where we're really seeing the impact of the unbalanced conference schedules.
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Maddie is just not a Pac 12 starter caliber player, but what options do they have? Neither are Thropay or Morris, and 4 guards probably isn't gonna work either.
I thought Goodman finally got her season back on track, but she's absolutely disappeared again.
Agree on both counts.
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PHEW. Got see this one live and I was 100% convinced OSU was going to come back when they were down 12. It felt like we were getting stagnant on offense, throw in a few turnovers, and *bam*, we had ourselves a down-to-the-wire ballgame. So glad we didn't throw it all away after building up such a solid lead late in the 3rd and early in the 4th.
Seeing OSU in person for the first time, I was even more impressed with Slocum than on TV - she has incredible moves and a magic touch. That said, some of them include hooking arms and throwing elbows. There was also one time she shoved Williams straight to the ground and there was no call. In general, I thought this was one of OSU's most physical games, but maybe it was the live vs. TV differential.
For whatever reason, we've always seemed more capable of containing Pivec than Slocum, and perhaps for that reason, I didn't come away with a strong impression of her. But dang can she rebound for being 5'10".
Jones? Wow. She has so much finesse for a 6'4" frosh post. I was very impressed with her ease in the paint. The difference between her and Dodson was really striking. Jones could execute back to basket moves and practically glide the ball past Dodson, whereas on the other end, Dodson would either get blocked or else miss the hoop entirely.
Speaking of struggling post players, totally agree about Washington - I feel almost certain OSU would have left with the W if Brown had been able to play. From my one-game sample, the problem is that while Washington is a very competent paint defender for someone 6'1", she has so little offense either off the dribble or shooting, and OSU is already offensively challenged at times. When Jones was off the floor, we either were able to impose our will inside when on offense (with Morris defending), or else we could close in on Slocum and Pivec on defense because Washington wasn't a very credible shooting or layup threat.
As for Stanford, I've been worried lately that we're one Williams off night or injury away from really falling apart on offense. Williams looked like she banged her hip and was not quite herself in the second half. She willed just enough to keep us going, and she has such a commanding floor presence in using the clock and banking clutch shots when necessary. But: NO ONE else stepped up. Lexie did just enough in the end, but her turnover with 17 seconds left was inexplicable - she practically THREW the ball away. I feel like we're lucky we walked away with the W given how poorly we handled those last three minutes.
Seeing OSU in person for the first time, I was even more impressed with Slocum than on TV - she has incredible moves and a magic touch. That said, some of them include hooking arms and throwing elbows. There was also one time she shoved Williams straight to the ground and there was no call. In general, I thought this was one of OSU's most physical games, but maybe it was the live vs. TV differential.
For whatever reason, we've always seemed more capable of containing Pivec than Slocum, and perhaps for that reason, I didn't come away with a strong impression of her. But dang can she rebound for being 5'10".
Jones? Wow. She has so much finesse for a 6'4" frosh post. I was very impressed with her ease in the paint. The difference between her and Dodson was really striking. Jones could execute back to basket moves and practically glide the ball past Dodson, whereas on the other end, Dodson would either get blocked or else miss the hoop entirely.
Speaking of struggling post players, totally agree about Washington - I feel almost certain OSU would have left with the W if Brown had been able to play. From my one-game sample, the problem is that while Washington is a very competent paint defender for someone 6'1", she has so little offense either off the dribble or shooting, and OSU is already offensively challenged at times. When Jones was off the floor, we either were able to impose our will inside when on offense (with Morris defending), or else we could close in on Slocum and Pivec on defense because Washington wasn't a very credible shooting or layup threat.
As for Stanford, I've been worried lately that we're one Williams off night or injury away from really falling apart on offense. Williams looked like she banged her hip and was not quite herself in the second half. She willed just enough to keep us going, and she has such a commanding floor presence in using the clock and banking clutch shots when necessary. But: NO ONE else stepped up. Lexie did just enough in the end, but her turnover with 17 seconds left was inexplicable - she practically THREW the ball away. I feel like we're lucky we walked away with the W given how poorly we handled those last three minutes.
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@triaddukefan can I say Oregon St. is without question the best 7-8 in conference team in the country?
Without a doubt
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not only their competition but also pass the eye test - was at game last night. Slocum phenomenal, even with her elbows.
I read that another Cardinal fan who posted on The Cardboard thought OSU was overly aggressive last night and threw a few elbows. I know that Stanford plays tight defense and gets into the offensive players frequently with effective double teams. That is a calling card of playing for Tara. I didn't see (and neither did the refs) anything egregious last night. I saw Dodson got hit by Jones with an inadvertent blow, but the refs reviewed and concluded it wasn't a foul.
Playing in the PAC-12 Conference typically means a physical battle every game due to the amount of contact that is allowed. OSU has had to adjust how it plays. All 12 teams in the conference have had to do so. I'm not used to reading that OSU is acrually giving more than it is receiving. In any event, bodies were on the floor yesterday as Cardinal players were frequently attempting to take charges while moving sideways and fighting through screens throughout the game. If OSU looked more physical than Stanford last night, all I can say is that would be a welcomed compliment to a team that has been accused as being too "soft" this season.
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Exactly @WestCoast , maybe the Beavs have gotten tired of getting beaten up and are fighting back. They should.
I saw the game a little bit differently from my admittedly orange-colored bias. Williams was bodied and bounced off Slocum to the floor in the first half when Williams got up tight on Slocum. The Hulls are very skilled at doing just that and drawing charges. Slocum was called for one of those two fouls as she fought through a moving Stanford screen. Slocum raised that issue as soon as that call was made. I didn't see any elbows extended by Slocum on either of those defensive fouls. I would agree that the refs likely called those two fouls quickly on Slocum to send a message.
OSU typically is last in the conference in fouls committed and has developed a reputation for being a little soft and allergic to contact. That needs to change.
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