One of the worst timeouts I've seen

[whaler11]

Unless I missed something there is no advancement in the college game.

Yeah no kidding. If you let them set something up they pass the ball 3/4 of the court. If you don't they get it inbounds under the basket.

Do you think they make a pass like they did without a time out?

 

[superjohn]

Let me get this right: People are defending calling a time out which allowed Memphis to set up a 3 point attempt and move the ball with the clock stopped.

I'm sure Memphis can generate easy 3 point attempts with no time outs under their own basket with 2.3 seconds left.

If you were upset that Memphis got off easy threes prior how don't you see that calling timeout for their benefit only increases their chances of another one?

It's insanity, as was not fouling when you have a foul to give with less than 5 seconds.

 

[UConnSwag11]

Exactly.

think he said it was phil

 

[UConnSwag11]

It's insanity, as was not fouling when you have a foul to give with less than 5 seconds.

legitimate question, did everyone lose their when Calhoun didnt foul?

 

[whaler11]

Those are the 2 choices foul or not, and that's why he called it. Had we lost on a wild 3 people would be calling for KO's head that he didn't foul, right? I actually think that making the first and purposely missing the second is equally risky to a don't foul 3 but I don't know the numbers on it.

They were up 3. So the only way to lose is fouling while someone shoots. Which only happens if you are trying to foul.


There is not any reason in the world to call time out. There isn't any argument where it makes any sense.

That they got lucky not having the contact called and the shot was late and no good doesn't make it any more sensible.

 

[whaler11]

legitimate question, did everyone lose their when Calhoun didnt foul?

At times yes. Calhoun is wrong about fouls in those situations.

 

[champs99and04]

Yeah no kidding. If you let them set something up they pass the ball 3/4 of the court. If you don't they get it inbounds under the basket.

Do you think they make a pass like they did without a time out?

I don't disagree with your overall point, I just wasn't sure what you meant by that.

 

[SixRings]

Those are the 2 choices foul or not, and that's why he called it. Had we lost on a wild 3 people would be calling for KO's head that he didn't foul, right? I actually think that making the first and purposely missing the second is equally risky to a don't foul 3 but I don't know the numbers on it.

I dont agree. If Memphis had a timeout they would have used it to set up a play. Right there tells you it helps them. I think there will be many opinions on this but mine is that the odds of Memphis getting a good shot off were increased when KO called the timeout. 2.3 seconds without a plan is chaos and a poor inbound pass likely would have occurred. Nobody can say for sure.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

The way we defended the 3 on the previous possession combined with the way have defended the 3 over the past season and a half....i though the timeout was fine.

 

[jibsey]

I don't disagree with your overall point, I just wasn't sure what you meant by that.

You can grab a player before the ball is inbounded. See it all the time, then there is no attempt but as I said a rebound off a second missed foul shot can be a disaster too. These teams are well practiced on end game situations so no timeout they still get a 3 off.

 

[Gurleyman]

They were up 3. So the only way to lose is fouling while someone shoots. Which only happens if you are trying to foul. There is not any reason in the world to call time out. There isn't any argument where it makes any sense. That they got lucky not having the contact called and the shot was late and no good doesn't make it any more sensible.

Making sure you are matched up with shooters and that you don't let some long pass result in us getting Devendorfed (with one that actually counts).

Ideally we'd have a smart enough team that they could figure that all out while shooting the foul shots. A TO shouldn't be necessary.

 

[upstater]

ollie just said he wanted to foul on the catch

Then I don't like it.

I like Calhoun's old way.

Make the 3 in 2 seconds.

Don't put them on the line for a foul shot and then a miss and putback, especially when UConn is small.

 

[whaler11]

Making sure you are matched up with shooters and that you don't let some long pass result in us getting Devendorfed (with one that actually counts).

Ideally we'd have a smart enough team that they could figure that all out while shooting the foul shots. A TO shouldn't be necessary.

Nobody in college basketball is getting off anything better than a mid court shot to tie if you don't call time out.

Calling time out brings multiple bad outcomes into play - like the one we almost saw.

 

[SixRings]

Making sure you are matched up with shooters and that you don't let some long pass result in us getting Devendorfed (with one that actually counts).

Ideally we'd have a smart enough team that they could figure that all out while shooting the foul shots. A TO shouldn't be necessary.

Right. A TO shouldn't be needed and it does help Memphis. But if we weren't set up correctly to defend than its probably justified. I can picture this team all huddled up in the paint and nobody out on the arc in this situation which is probably why KO called it.

 

[SaeHusky]

I truly believe over 90% of Division I coaches WOULD NOT have called a timeout there. They would have only got a half court desperation shot if UCONN simply played full court Man to Man.

 

[Hi-Low]

Reminds me of Tin Cup......"somebody tell this guy" not to use his timeout. If Memphis can make a 3 having to go full court in 2.3 seconds without setting up a play God bless them.....odds are very low! The end of Temple game was worse but both were doozies.

 

[Mr. French]

I don't think it's nearly the egregious decision some are claiming.

Bottom line, he decided that having the ability to set his D and instruct his players properly, so that something insane doesn't happen, was worth Memphis also getting to set something up.

Because it's such a difficult circumstance for Memphis, I understand that thinking. A player doing something illogical, or the defense getting mixed up, or whatever, is one of the few things that could allow them a successful play there. He felt that calling a TO would avoid anything like that.

You can have the offense with no chance to set up and in a mad scramble, but he's responsible for HIS team, and he felt avoiding anything dumb or a mistake on D in that situation was worth it.

Not sure I disagree that the TO is the lesser of 2 choices, but I definitely ser a coach's point of view in calling one there.

 

[whaler11]

I don't think it's nearly the egregious decision some are claiming.

Bottom line, he decided that having the ability to set his D and instruct his players properly, so that something insane doesn't happen, was worth Memphis also getting to set something up.

Because it's such a difficult circumstance for Memphis, I understand that thinking. A player doing something illogical, or the defense getting mixed up, or whatever, is one of the few things that could allow them a successful play there. He felt that calling a TO would avoid anything like that.

You can have the offense with no chance to set up and in a mad scramble, but he's responsible for HIS team, and he felt avoiding anything dumb or a mistake on D in that situation was worth it.

Not sure I disagree that the TO is the lesser of 2 choices, but I definitely ser a coach's point of view in calling one there.

It was bad enough on it's own.

Turns out he wanted them to foul. Which is embarrassing stupid.

This is as painful as watching.

 

[uconnfan68]

I love Ollie and I still think this season has life... but whoever called that time out should be shot into the sun.

Disagree. He had to make sure they knew the plans. Too many guys losing focus.

 

[whaler11]

Disagree. He had to make sure they knew the plans. Too many guys losing focus.

You don't need a plan when the other team needs to scramble for a midcourt shot to tie.

 

[Hi-Low]

Disagree. He had to make sure they knew the plans. Too many guys losing focus.

Not really much to to know....everyone cover your man, don't foul shooter, if Memphis makes a half-court 3 then so be it. Also the idea fouling before they can shoot is moronic in full-court situations with 2 seconds left. The timeout allowed Memphis to set up the pass they wanted and almost blew the game.

 

[Gurleyman]

I'm not saying Memphis is bright enough to handle it without a timeout, but teams should be drilled on it. Here's what you do:

1) As Hamilton steps to the line for second, you call out your home run play.
2( when the free throw goes in, nobody touches the ball - that way the five count doesn't start. (If you are especially savvy - one of the guys can accidentally kick the ball while turning up court, causing a delay while the officials retrieve it. But you might need to watch the NESCAC to see that).
3) While the inbounds passer takes his sweet time getting the ball off the ground, the other four guys go to their spots.
4) The inbounds guy finally picks up the ball, runs a little on the baseline (so as not to hit the back of the backboard), and the home run pass is thrown.

This is one of many scenarios teams should in theory be ready for.

 

[whaler11]

I'm not saying Memphis is bright enough to handle it without a timeout, but teams should be drilled on it. Here's what you do:

1) As Hamilton steps to the line for second, you call out your home run play.
2( when the free throw goes in, nobody touches the ball - that way the five count doesn't start. (If you are especially savvy - one of the guys can accidentally kick the ball while turning up court, causing a delay while the officials retrieve it. But you might need to watch the NESCAC to see that).
3) While the inbounds passer takes his sweet time getting the ball off the ground, the other four guys go to their spots.
4) The inbounds guy finally picks up the ball, runs a little on the baseline (so as not to hit the back of the backboard), and the home run pass is thrown.

This is one of many scenarios teams should in theory be ready for.

So you made a case for calling the timeout before the second free throw.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

Did Ollie sub anybody in? Or were the same 5 guys on the floor?

Not that I think it would justify the timeout but would at least point to some reason since we didn't foul. Although it's not like we have a defensive specialist so I don't know who exactly ollie would be dying to get in .

But to call timeout when they have none. AND not guard the inbounds. AND not foul (with ample opportunity). AND not sub.

That is just absurdly bad coaching.

 

[uconnfan68]

Not really much to to know....everyone cover your man, don't foul shooter, if Memphis makes a half-court 3 then so be it. Also the idea fouling before they can shoot is moronic in full-court situations with 2 seconds left. The timeout allowed Memphis to set up the pass they wanted and almost blew the game.

And yet 2 guys almost fouled him. We got lucky.

 

[Gurleyman]

So you made a case for calling the timeout before the second free throw.

Yeah - you could call it there. No need to worry about icing your shooter. Actually you are probably better off by the percentages having Hamilton miss. It just opens up the possibility of losing on a Gordon Hayward shot. Hamilton also has to hit the rim. If he makes it, at least you can do no worse than tie.

That's also why I wouldn't agree with the deliberate foul in this instance. You open up the chance of losing in a scenario where the tying 3 is plenty difficult as it is. Foul on purpose - they make first, miss second, rebound goes o/b to Memphis,then the inevitable 3 on inbounds pass down into that far left corner again.

 

[Tenspro2002]

KO's TO wasn't egregiously wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was wrong.

Yes, a timeout helps us improve our defensive setup. But it surely helps Memphis improve their offensive setup by a lot more.

Calling timeout in that situation is a net negative, even if it helps the coach feel more comfortable that his players know what they're doing.

 

[UCweCONN]

I'd like to see a poll created so we can vote for whether the timeout was a (1) Smart call (2) Poor Call (3) Very Bad Call (4) God-awful call. I vote for 4.

 

[Montaleno]

The timeout was called because Ollie stated, that the plan was to foul as soon as ball was caught. But, Memphis caught the ball near 3pt circle and that Nolan, wisely on his own, decided NOT to foul.

 

[tcf15]

Here's Miller and KO discussing it - looks like it may have been Miller who originally suggested calling a timeout.