On Rivalry Weekend, UConn and BC Continue to Hinder the Progress of College Football in New England

[UConn07]

http://the-boneyard.com/blog/on-riv...-progress-of-college-football-in-new-england/

 

[Dooley]

A Men. UCONN vs BC at Gillette on Thanksgiving weekend just makes too much sense for both teams. BC can't sell out their home games against USCw and ACC competition...and that's in a year that they are bowl eligible. Apathy for BC is at an all-time high. Play the game at Gillette or Fenway or rotate the game between home venues every year. Northeast/New England football needs this game to be played.

Get this done.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Boston College had a goal to marginalize UConn football out of fear that they would be taken over regionally much like in basketball.

By relegating UConn to the AAC they have in fact accomplished that goal at least for now.

I think college sports should be about regional rivals and playing the teams you hate the most, but BC doesn't so I doubt this game ever is played.

 

[Ldandy]

A real rivalry has to go both ways. From reading your board it is obvious that there is plenty of hatred coming from The Husky Side, but what is the average BC Fan's take on UCONN?

 

[coachcap]

I'm STILL incredulous that many Husky fans think that Thunder Chicken U. should be UConn's designated "rival". Throughout their Big East History, the REAL rivalry was ALWAYS Syracuse. BC was more of a guaranteed win perception. UConn & Syracuse played more meaningful games than UConn & the Jesuits ever did. In football, UConn has actually beaten the Cuse, both home & away.
Now if the University could get BCU to actually sign a game contract, a season kickoff game would be appropriate. BUT, if you are talking an end of the season true rivalry look toward the self-proclaimed "New York's College Team".

 

[Dooley]

A real rivalry has to go both ways. From reading your board it is obvious that there is plenty of hatred coming from The Husky Side, but what is the average BC Fan's take on UCONN?

I think that if you posed this question to both fanbases, you would hear two entirely different answers. UCONN fans can't fathom why we are stuck in the AAC when BC has had their golden ticket punched. Top to bottom, you can make the argument that UCONN has a vastly superior athletic department (as a whole) than BC. Because CR has been primarily about football, the natural hatred is built in for BC football. BC fans seem to look down upon UCONN and would probably view a series between the two schools as being no different than scheduling any other New England school (UMASS, New Hampshire, Maine, etc). I think that as long as UCONN is stuck on the outside of the P5 structure, they are happy and there is no hatred. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference would change things dramatically and BC fans, I think, would begin to hate UCONN for impeding on "their" New England turf. It's only a matter of time before this will become reality.

 

[sub legacy]

I think that if you posed this question to both fanbases, you would hear two entirely different answers. UCONN fans can't fathom why we are stuck in the AAC when BC has had their golden ticket punched. Top to bottom, you can make the argument that UCONN has a vastly superior athletic department (as a whole) than BC. Because CR has been primarily about football, the natural hatred is built in for BC football. BC fans seem to look down upon UCONN and would probably view a series between the two schools as being no different than scheduling any other New England school (UMASS, New Hampshire, Maine, etc). I think that as long as UCONN is stuck on the outside of the P5 structure, they are happy and there is no hatred. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference would change things dramatically and BC fans, I think, would begin to hate UCONN for impeding on "their" New England turf. It's only a matter of time before this will become reality.

To Boston College, we're they're younger third cousin they haven't seen in years.

 

[1husky]

A real rivalry has to go both ways. From reading your board it is obvious that there is plenty of hatred coming from The Husky Side, but what is the average BC Fan's take on UCONN?

BC fans prefer their heated rivalry with Wake Forest.

 

[sub legacy]

BC fans prefer their heated rivalry with Wake Forest.

This made me laugh. Thank you.

 

[CTBballfan243]

It's already too late for BC. UCONN already has the premier athletic department in the northeast. This cannot even be debated. UCONN actually wins national championships in multiple sports. Heck our football team even went to a BCS game. In the grand scheme of things, the probability of BC, or Syracuse making it to the football playoff is no better than UCONN's. The system is set up to keep schools like BC or the Cuse from ever making it to the final four. The committee will only vote a select group of schools into the playoff.

 

[UCFBfan]

It's already too late for BC. UCONN already has the premier athletic department in the northeast. This cannot even be debated. UCONN actually wins national championships in multiple sports. Heck our football team even went to a BCS game. In the grand scheme of things, the probability of BC, or Syracuse making it to the football playoff is no better than UCONN's. The system is set up to keep schools like BC or the Cuse from ever making it to the final four. The committee will only vote a select group of schools into the playoff.

While this is true TODAY, this will most likely not be the case in 5-7 years should UConn be in the AAC while Syracuse and BC are making millions more than UConn by being in the ACC. The reality is, we are more dominant them then in multiple sports except the one that matters, football. However, that's today. What happens when Ollie leaves in say 3 years (hypothetical of course)? How do we afford a top notch coach making only $2 million a year in the AAC versus double digit millions these neighboring schools make? The answer is, we can't. So if you wanna live in the present, it's great and we are on top of the world in many sports. However, look ahead 3-5 years and the picture is much, much gloomier.

 

[CTBasketball]

I agree with playing them again, making us their rival. But they have nothing to gain from this, and they have everything to lose. We have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. They don't want to take that chance.

 

[CTBballfan243]

In a few years, it won't matter, because the P5 will eventually become the P4. BC, Cuse, Pitt, won't be in the P4. They will be sitting in the same place where UCONN currently sits.

 

[huskymedic]

Folks can stamp their feet all day but rivalries cant be forced.

 

[zls44]

UConn has a better chance of playing Alabama every year than BC.

 

[Yawkey Way]

Oh brother... yet another BC thread. BC is not about to make UConn football its " rivalry ". BC is a national school now, and its student population has changed so much, that the student body does not care a wit about " New England College Football", and most of the current national student body there couldn't tell you where Uconn plays its home football games. They barely care about BC football. They'll come for 4 years, then leave the region. The Alums there consider ND their football rival. There is a long history there between the only 2 Private, Catholics playing FBS football. But of course, ND doesn't consider BC its football " rival ", and so its not a rival. BC has Syracuse now as its football rival. The teams have played 50 games against one another, and both are Private schools. There was a fight on the field today with Syracuse having 2 penalties, and a Syracuse player thrown out of the game. This makes for a good rivalry moving forward, imo. BC has nothing to gain to subject themselves to a future football game that would be only one sided in local interest... from the Uconn side alone. BC is 13-0 vs. Uconn. It gets nothing if it wins 3 or 4 more in a row. But it could benefit Uconn a lot if it pulled off the upset;. BC began its investment to play at the major level when it abandoned its former football rivalry, Holy Cross in the 70's. I would imagine they would claim that its not their fault that Uconn did not decide to financially invest in their football program until decades later. BC is under no obligation now to help a school that sued it. From their perspective if Uconn was 13-0 vs. BC, had been sued by the other, and the shoe was on the other foot, Uconn would be justified in telling BC to go pound sand, as they arn't playing you in football ever again, no matter how much the other jumps up and down and cries " unfair " and" "they're to scared to play us , as they know we'd get that first win some day if we played them", and so forth. But the bottom line is that BC doesn't want to be a football rival with a regional school in Connecticut. And unless both sides see one another as a " rival", it can never be so. My hope is that BC puts aside their distain and total unconcern , and yes arrogance re. Uconn football , and plays them once in awhile, at least. But in the meantime, Syracuse will fill that need as a annual rivalry game played as the last regular season game for both, and a league game with both bragging rights, and national recruiting implications moving forward. I wish more BC students were from this region. But they are not, and I don't see BC changing their student demographic anytime soon. Umass has the potential to become Uconn's future football rival. Both have similar student bodies, with both getting a large share of their students from within New England, with a sizeable proportion expected to take jobs in the region when they graduate. Umass could make a suitable football rival for Uconn... provided they can get their financial situation in better sync... probably a daunting task of course. But these annual threads on the quest of Uconn to play BC, is probably not in the cards in any of our lifetimes, imo. So the bitterness with that can never subside, until its acknowledgde that the divorce is final, and under irreconcielable differences, both need to put aside that bitterness, and look toward better days with one that will consider future relationship. After awhile, most people begin to tune out and just feel pity with a former spouse that insists on bad mouthing the other former spouse at every turn, and at every moment in public. And receiving sympathy to the point of pity, is not an enobling thing to want to receive for impepetuity, for oneself imo..... even if the bitterness is warranted too, imo. But thats just my 2 cents worth on this topic, anyway.

 

[UCFBfan]

Oh brother... yet another BC thread. BC is not about to make UConn football its " rivalry ". BC is a national school now, and its student population has changed so much, that the student body does not care a wit about " New England College Football", and most of the current national student body there couldn't tell you where Uconn plays its home foortball games. They barely care about BC football. They'll come for 4 years, then leave the region. The Alums there consider ND their football rival. There is a long history there between the only 2 Private, Catholics playing FBS football. But of course, ND doesn't consider BC its football " rival ", and so its not a rival. BC has Syracuse now as its football rival. The teams have played 50 games against one another, and both are Private schools. There was a fight on the field today with Syracuse having 2 penalties, and a player thrown out. This makes for a good rivalry moving forward, imo. BC has nothing to gain to subject themselves to a future football game that would be only one sided in local interest... from the Uconn side alone. BC is 13-0 vs. Uconn. It gets nothing if it wins 3 or 4 more in a row. But it could benefit Uconn a lot if it pulled off the upset;. BC began its investment to play at the major level when it abandoned its former football rivalry, Holy Cross in the 70's. I would imagine they would claim that its not their fault that Uconn did not decide to financially invest in their football program until decades later. BC is under no obligation now to help a school that sued it. From their perspective if Uconn was 13-0 vs. BC, had been sued by the other, and the shoe was on the other foot, Uconn would be justified in telling BC to go pound sand, as they arn't playing you in football ever again, no matter how much the other jumps up and down and cries " unfair " and" "they're to scared to play us , as they know we'd get that first win some day if we played them", and so forth. But the bottom line is that BC doesn't want to be a football rival with a regional school in Connecticut. And unless both sides see one another as a " rival", it can never be so. My hope is that BC puts aside their distain and total unconcern , and yes arrogance re. Uconn football and plays them once in awhile, at least. But in the meantime, Syracuse will fill that need as a annual rivalry game played as the last regular season game for both, and a league game with both bragging rights, and national recruiting implications moving forward. I wish more BC students were from this region. But they are not, and I don't see BC changing their student demograghic anytime soon. Umass has the potential to become Uconn's future football rival. Both have similar student bodies, with both getting a large share of their students from within New England, with a sizeable proportion expected to take jobs in the region when they graduate. Umass could make a suitable football rival for Uconn... provided they can get their financial situation in better sync... probably a daunting task of course. But these annual threads on the quest of Uconn to play BC, is probably not in the cards in any of our lifetimes, imo. So the bitterness with that can never subside, until its acknowledgde that the divorce is final, and under irreconcielable differences, both need to put aside that bitterness, and look toward better days with one that will consider future relationship. After awhile, most people begin to tune out and just feel pity with a former couple that insists on bad mothing the other former spouse at every turn, and at every moment. And receiving sympathty to the point of pity, is not an enobling thing to want to receive for impepetuity, imo.

Seriously buddy just f-off. Don't waste our time by posting here. Thanks and enjoy your "national school".

 

[Yawkey Way]

BC fans prefer their heated rivalry with Wake Forest.

Not really. And you don't really believe this as well, probably. BC and Syracuse are probably happy to make one another their future football rivals.... fans, alums, current students as well will get used to it,, imo. ND won't ever be BC's rival from ND's perspective. So BC will find that Syracuse will fill that future role, imo. In order to have a genuine rivalry, schools must also compete for similar recruits. For BC, thats going to be Syracuse moving forward, and vice versa, that Syracuse will be competing forb the same football recruits as BC. BC does not compete with Uconn for Basketball recruits, and probably never will, imo. Uconn moving forward, will not reallly be competing for football recruits with BC either. This is no revelation to anyone here on both school's basketball and football recruiting, both in the past, and most likely moving forward, if we are simply honest with ourselves here.

 

[specialisthusky]

Oh brother... yet another BC thread. BC is not about to make UConn football its " rivalry ". BC is a national school now, and its student population has changed so much, that the student body does not care a wit about " New England College Football", and most of the current national student body there couldn't tell you where Uconn plays its home football games. They barely care about BC football. They'll come for 4 years, then leave the region. The Alums there consider ND their football rival. There is a long history there between the only 2 Private, Catholics playing FBS football. But of course, ND doesn't consider BC its football " rival ", and so its not a rival. BC has Syracuse now as its football rival. The teams have played 50 games against one another, and both are Private schools. There was a fight on the field today with Syracuse having 2 penalties, and a Syracuse player thrown out of the game. This makes for a good rivalry moving forward, imo. BC has nothing to gain to subject themselves to a future football game that would be only one sided in local interest... from the Uconn side alone. BC is 13-0 vs. Uconn. It gets nothing if it wins 3 or 4 more in a row. But it could benefit Uconn a lot if it pulled off the upset;. BC began its investment to play at the major level when it abandoned its former football rivalry, Holy Cross in the 70's. I would imagine they would claim that its not their fault that Uconn did not decide to financially invest in their football program until decades later. BC is under no obligation now to help a school that sued it. From their perspective if Uconn was 13-0 vs. BC, had been sued by the other, and the shoe was on the other foot, Uconn would be justified in telling BC to go pound sand, as they arn't playing you in football ever again, no matter how much the other jumps up and down and cries " unfair " and" "they're to scared to play us , as they know we'd get that first win some day if we played them", and so forth. But the bottom line is that BC doesn't want to be a football rival with a regional school in Connecticut. And unless both sides see one another as a " rival", it can never be so. My hope is that BC puts aside their distain and total unconcern , and yes arrogance re. Uconn football , and plays them once in awhile, at least. But in the meantime, Syracuse will fill that need as a annual rivalry game played as the last regular season game for both, and a league game with both bragging rights, and national recruiting implications moving forward. I wish more BC students were from this region. But they are not, and I don't see BC changing their student demographic anytime soon. Umass has the potential to become Uconn's future football rival. Both have similar student bodies, with both getting a large share of their students from within New England, with a sizeable proportion expected to take jobs in the region when they graduate. Umass could make a suitable football rival for Uconn... provided they can get their financial situation in better sync... probably a daunting task of course. But these annual threads on the quest of Uconn to play BC, is probably not in the cards in any of our lifetimes, imo. So the bitterness with that can never subside, until its acknowledgde that the divorce is final, and under irreconcielable differences, both need to put aside that bitterness, and look toward better days with one that will consider future relationship. After awhile, most people begin to tune out and just feel pity with a former spouse that insists on bad mouthing the other former spouse at every turn, and at every moment in public. And receiving sympathy to the point of pity, is not an enobling thing to want to receive for impepetuity, for oneself imo..... even if the bitterness is warranted too, imo. But thats just my 2 cents worth on this topic, anyway.

Holy cow.

 

[Waquoit]

Holy cow.

That's why they have ignore.

 

[Yawkey Way]

A real rivalry has to go both ways. From reading your board it is obvious that there is plenty of hatred coming from The Husky Side, but what is the average BC Fan's take on UCONN?

Well, if the typical student there at BC barely has a pulse with their own team, you can just imagine the collective yawn that comes forth when " Uconn Football " is brought up. To Uconn's credit, many of their current student body knows that BC plays its football games at Alumni Stadium in Chestnut Hill. I guarantee you that if you asked the current students at BC, where Uconn plays their football games, 99% could not tell you, and 95% of those 99% don't care. Now... if anyone here thinks that putiing Uconn on a future football schedule becomes a big deal ( as it would in Connecticut ), they are just kidding themselves. Uconn would draw no more interest in a game between BC and Uconn than BC and Umass. Umass at least has a lot of grads living in the Greater Boston area, unlike Uconn. Uconn has SOME grads working and living in the Greater Boston area, but grads of the Massachusetts State College System far outsrip this number. So while a Uconn - BC game can be expected to get Connecticut fans in a frenzy, to be honest with you, such a game in Alumni does very little at all for the vast majority of football fans living in Greater Boston that did not go to a school located in the state of Connecticut. Like I said, the vast majority of students attending BC now, are from outside the region of New England altogether. Some from abroad as a matter of fact. This doesn't have the makings of a " New England Regional Rivalry Football Game ", in the least, imo. Just pointing out " what is ", not " Wish it were ".

 

[uconndogs]

Oh brother... yet another BC thread. BC is not about to make UConn football its " rivalry ". BC is a national school now, and its student population has changed so much, that the student body does not care a wit about " New England College Football", and most of the current national student body there couldn't tell you where Uconn plays its home football games. They barely care about BC football. They'll come for 4 years, then leave the region. The Alums there consider ND their football rival. There is a long history there between the only 2 Private, Catholics playing FBS football. But of course, ND doesn't consider BC its football " rival ", and so its not a rival. BC has Syracuse now as its football rival. The teams have played 50 games against one another, and both are Private schools. There was a fight on the field today with Syracuse having 2 penalties, and a Syracuse player thrown out of the game. This makes for a good rivalry moving forward, imo. BC has nothing to gain to subject themselves to a future football game that would be only one sided in local interest... from the Uconn side alone. BC is 13-0 vs. Uconn. It gets nothing if it wins 3 or 4 more in a row. But it could benefit Uconn a lot if it pulled off the upset;. BC began its investment to play at the major level when it abandoned its former football rivalry, Holy Cross in the 70's. I would imagine they would claim that its not their fault that Uconn did not decide to financially invest in their football program until decades later. BC is under no obligation now to help a school that sued it. From their perspective if Uconn was 13-0 vs. BC, had been sued by the other, and the shoe was on the other foot, Uconn would be justified in telling BC to go pound sand, as they arn't playing you in football ever again, no matter how much the other jumps up and down and cries " unfair " and" "they're to scared to play us , as they know we'd get that first win some day if we played them", and so forth. But the bottom line is that BC doesn't want to be a football rival with a regional school in Connecticut. And unless both sides see one another as a " rival", it can never be so. My hope is that BC puts aside their distain and total unconcern , and yes arrogance re. Uconn football , and plays them once in awhile, at least. But in the meantime, Syracuse will fill that need as a annual rivalry game played as the last regular season game for both, and a league game with both bragging rights, and national recruiting implications moving forward. I wish more BC students were from this region. But they are not, and I don't see BC changing their student demographic anytime soon. Umass has the potential to become Uconn's future football rival. Both have similar student bodies, with both getting a large share of their students from within New England, with a sizeable proportion expected to take jobs in the region when they graduate. Umass could make a suitable football rival for Uconn... provided they can get their financial situation in better sync... probably a daunting task of course. But these annual threads on the quest of Uconn to play BC, is probably not in the cards in any of our lifetimes, imo. So the bitterness with that can never subside, until its acknowledgde that the divorce is final, and under irreconcielable differences, both need to put aside that bitterness, and look toward better days with one that will consider future relationship. After awhile, most people begin to tune out and just feel pity with a former spouse that insists on bad mouthing the other former spouse at every turn, and at every moment in public. And receiving sympathy to the point of pity, is not an enobling thing to want to receive for impepetuity, for oneself imo..... even if the bitterness is warranted too, imo. But thats just my 2 cents worth on this topic, anyway.

That the visiting poster fails to see the irony in such a lengthy response to an OP that he portends lack relevance speaks volumes about the poster and BC as well.

BC's former AD stated explicitly and publicly that UCONN was a threat to BC's regional athletic interests. The inference that BC athletics holds national attention is laughable. Interest in UCONN BC athletic match ups do generate strong regional interest (see recent hockey game). The crowds might be heavily in UCONN's favor, but the regional interest is clear.

Several years ago I attended a BC student tour. The amount of time dedicated to how difficult it was to attend BC and comparing BC to Harvard reached the point of ebarrasment. BC is a fine college. One of the better we have in the country. That's as far as it goes. Arrogance is not success or prestige - it's self proclaimed importance. Like this poster.....like BC's image of itself.

 

[zls44]

BC and BU are nothing more than excuses to waste $50,000 on what is largely the same education you can get at almost any non-Ivy, for a lot less money.

 

[CTBballfan243]

BC a "National School"?? Please, BC is a small, private, jesuit school. It's a good school, but there are a lot of good schools in New England. BC is more similar with Kenyon College than it is with Notre Dame.

 

[Yawkey Way]

BC's former AD stated explicitly and publicly that UCONN was a threat to BC's regional athletic interests. The inference that BC athletics holds national attention is laughable.

I never denied the former on here, and never stated the latter ( 2nd sentence ) on here either. So its not possible for me to discuss a position you believe I have taken, but have not taken at all. Oh well.

ps.. for accuracy, the former AD did not acknowledge that " Uconn was a threat to BC's regional athletic interests". He confined his public comments to football, and his position was not to give up what he considered ( right or wrongly here ) his belief that BC was the dominent force in New England Football and he intended to keep it that way at all costs. He never saw Uconn as a " regional threat to BC " for example, in basketball, He long ceded that stature to Uconn Basketball, one would presume, as his public comments ( while foolish and petty to the max ) was germane to BC position in New Enland Football... alone. Just wanted to point out for accuracy sake what he actually said. The AD never stopped playing ( and losing ) to Uconn in other sports. And BC did vote " yes " for Uconn's inclusion into Hockey East. Its football that BC sees as its financial pump and probably will do everything in its power to protect that dominant position in N.E. at all costs, both on and off the field. That said, if a P5 league wants Uconn football, little ol BC won't be able to stop that.