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CocoHusky said:
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I watched all of those games and ONO for me was easily the biggest surprise. At that time I was more impressed with her against those European players than I was with Collier.
 
I don't have the foggiest idea of how to judge high school talent. Obviously some folks do, because so many of the five stars end up being college stars as well. But I really wonder if it's possible to disaggregate talent more finely from a broad group of (say) the best 3-5 at any position nationally. After all: 1. high school coaching and high school competition will vary widely; 2. kids that age (and here we're talking about kids who've just started 11th grade, meaning we're judging them on how they played as sophomores) have so much going on mentally and physically. (I do agree that every couple of years, a kid comes along who is hors categorie (as they say in the Tour de France)--an entirely "can't miss" superstar.)

I have to believe (because I want to believe!) that UConn could take pretty much any of the top 3-5 players at any position, and, if the kid is coachable and committed, turn her into the top 1-3 at her position. Though maybe I've drunk too much of the Kool-Aid...
 
bags27 said:
I don't have the foggiest idea of how to judge high school talent. Obviously some folks do, because so many of the five stars end up being college stars as well. But I really wonder if it's possible to disaggregate talent more finely from a broad group of (say) the best 3-5 at any position nationally. After all: 1. high school coaching and high school competition will vary widely; 2. kids that age (and here we're talking about kids who've just started 11th grade, meaning we're judging them on how they played as sophomores) have so much going on mentally and physically. (I do agree that every couple of years, a kid comes along who is hors categorie (as they say in the Tour de France)--an entirely "can't miss" superstar.)

I have to believe (because I want to believe!) that UConn could take pretty much any of the top 3-5 players at any position, and, if the kid is coachable and committed, turn her into the top 1-3 at her position. Though maybe I've drunk too much of the Kool-Aid...
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I know nothing about scouting. but I suspect that when a girl is 6'5" , fast, agile, shows some basketball moves, and hits a few 3's, she is going to get a long look. Now how is she to be separated from others like her? Probably during in-game action. How does she react when things are going badly, she gets hit in the mouth, the ref makes a bad call, and the coach yells at her. Does she go up or down? But a scouts job cannot be simple. Apparently at UConn multiple coaches take a good look at any girl the team is considering.

This year with Molly, good golly, and Kyla, Geno gets two more chances to show that he is a better judge of talent than those who do the player ratings.
 
Bags - absolutely correct. Most of the ranking is based on limited viewings on flawed teams against flawed competition. Seldom does anyone get to watch players of similar talent at similar positions go head to head on similarly talented teams. AAU is a little better for the head to head and similar talent, but the coaching and teamwork generally leave a lot to be desired. The best chance is probably in watching the national team trials for age specific teams, but players like Wilson only got to the last one of those prior to starting college because of scheduling issues and the selection process for those trials is not perfect either.

And yes, there are occasionally players that do stand out from their age-mates, but even that can be a little misleading - HS is still developmental and kids develop physically and mentally at different ages. Some have just developed faster but reach their plateau faster and do not develop any more while their age mates catch up and then surpass.

And a lot of it is coaching at every level. And competition. The results coming out of college vary widely and while some of that is the input, a lot of it is coaching received while in college.

A parallel to the most widely analyzed 'ranking' system used by professional football with the college draft I think is instructive - and a prime example is the two greatest QBs of the last 20 years - Manning rated #1 and living up to it, Brady ranked #199 and blowing away expectations - just one of the many examples of boom (and bust) in an industry that invested millions in trying to get it right with a much smaller pool to rank and much better film to analyze.
 
UcMiami said:
Bags - absolutely correct.
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One specific example two years ago the top post prospect in the class of 2018 was Lindsey Jarosinski. Ever heard of her? Well Lindsey will turn out to be a very good college player but just at the post position she has been surpassed by about 15-20 kids.
 
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Are there links to the USA games? I trust SLUconn's assessment (and others), so I had very high expectations when I watched the sophomore season highlights from ONO. I thought she looked good, but mostly she was running the floor and making layups. In comparison, Charli showed moves inside, a nice midrange jumper, and range to the arc. Does anyone think ONO's video is more impressive? If so, please explain the subtleties that I missed. Or is it simply that ONO really blew up this summer and passed Charli and everyone else in the ratings?
 
MilfordHusky said:
Thanks. I'll watch them in the next week or two. I'm curious. What did you think of her HS video?
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Having already seen her play the vid didn't give me much in the way of information. One thing that stands out though is her mobility; she's built like a shorter Griner but moves like a guard. She can get anywhere she wants on either end of the floor in a heartbeat which I think is going to make her incredibly versatile and useful.
 
MilfordHusky said:
Are there links to the USA games? I trust SLUconn's assessment (and others), so I had very high expectations when I watched the sophomore season highlights from ONO. I thought she looked good, but mostly she was running the floor and making layups. In comparison, Charli showed moves inside, a nice midrange jumper, and range to the arc. Does anyone think ONO's video is more impressive? If so, please explain the subtleties that I missed. Or is it simply that ONO really blew up this summer and passed Charli and everyone else in the ratings?
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I think @Sluconn Husky hit the nail on the head. ONO's superior (Guard like) mobility is what separates her from the other
bigs in the class. See the 3:30 mark of this video that slash from the wing is priceless. ONO also has good touch on the mid range jumper. ONO is also a quicker more explosive leaper in traffic and also better at positioning her body at just the right angle to make the entry pass easier -very much like Napheesa does. See the 1:50 mark of the video how she seals the defender on the baseline to make the entry pass possible.

 
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For those who may not delve into the '17 - '18 recruit thread....


Geno watched Nelson-Ododa score 27 points on Thursday (12/8).


Junior center Olivia Nelson-Ododa caused the main damage, scoring 27 points (including 11 in the second quarter) and wreaking defensive havoc on the other end of the floor.

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Nelson-Ododa’s performance, in particular, came at a good time as legendary UConn women’s basketball coach Geno Auriemma was in the stands scouting.
“It was a big thrill for Olivia and she had a great night for us offensively and defensively,” Thomas said.


Lady Bulldoggs even record at 3-3; Boys win pair to go to 4-3 - MainStreetNewsSports
 
Sluconn Husky said:
For those who may not delve into the '17 - '18 recruit thread....


Geno watched Nelson-Ododa score 27 points on Thursday (12/8).


Junior center Olivia Nelson-Ododa caused the main damage, scoring 27 points (including 11 in the second quarter) and wreaking defensive havoc on the other end of the floor.

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Nelson-Ododa’s performance, in particular, came at a good time as legendary UConn women’s basketball coach Geno Auriemma was in the stands scouting.
“It was a big thrill for Olivia and she had a great night for us offensively and defensively,” Thomas said.


Lady Bulldoggs even record at 3-3; Boys win pair to go to 4-3 - MainStreetNewsSports
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It's really good to know that Geno has an eye on Ododa even after Charli's commitment. I'm afraid to even dream of a Husky team featuring those two. I think they can play together, Charli as a true post and Oliver as an all-over-the-floor player, and nightmare for opponents.
 
ONO's team won their first game by 89-14 and then lost 3 games in a row. How did her team lose??
 
MilfordHusky said:
ONO's team won their first game by 89-14 and then lost 3 games in a row. How did her team lose??
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That's a really good question. But it's high-school basketball, strange things happen, and sometimes basketball doesn't happen. This makes Geno's job in evaluating talent extremely difficult. A novice will miss good talent, or overvalue an ordinary performance. But we've got Geno,and they haven't.
 
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NewCorn said:
That's a really good question. But it's high-school basketball, strange things happen, and sometimes basketball doesn't happen. This makes Geno's job in evaluating talent extremely difficult. A novice will miss good talent, or overvalue an ordinary performance. But we've got Geno,and they haven't.
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I've got to think it was a combination of things, like really good opposition (one team played them 2x in that stretch), foul trouble, or inability to handle a press.
 
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