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ok give it to me straight - why didn't we get in (again)

WestCoastHusky said:
Of course, the best way to get more people to go is just win more.
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The best way for UConn to get more people to go is to get in a power conference. More people will attend immediately win or lose. Win, and it's even more.
 
I don't believe anyone anticipated the PAC to fall apart as quickly as it did. Looked good for UConn until that point. Money always rules the decision process in the end. It sucks, but is the reality of everything business related. Yes, it is also true our football has sucked. Some very bad hires and a myopic view that basketball is all we need. Football is king in most of the US, for some reason we just don't get it here. Way to many basketball only fans when you should care about everything UConn.
 
McFly said:
I've been a negative fan of Colorado, rooting for them to lose, since they hired Chuck Fairbanks from the Patriots.
And yes, I've been accused of having a long memory.
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Hello. Hello. Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly, think!

Why would you need long term memory when you have a Time Machine?
 
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CTBballfan243 said:
Fox has UConn in the Big East, Why would they want to pay more for us in the B12. Plus if we moved to the B12 we would weaken their Big East property. These are strictly business decision.
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But the networks want us to believe they have no say in CR
 
superjohn said:
We're left out because our football program sucks, it has nothing to do with how great our basketball program is.

Colorado is going back home and they have excitement now with Prime Time. Despite sucking for a while they've shown winning at the highest level is possible there.
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We're viewed accurately as a basketball school. Why is this so hard to understand?

Even when we were good - we got passed over for Pitt and Syracuse and later looking Louisville.

I mean good lord Seton Hall played for a title and UNLV won one of you go that far back for Colorado. Success is cyclical but programs and support is a lot more inert.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
We're viewed accurately as a basketball school. Why is this so hard to understand?

Even when we were good - we got passed over for Pitt and Syracuse and later looking Louisville.

I mean good lord Seton Hall played for a title and UNLV won one of you go that far back for Colorado. Success is cyclical but programs and support is a lot more inert.
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Yes, we're viewed as a basketball school because we're awesome at basketball and win championships all the time in basketball. We're viewed as a terrible football school because we suck at football. The sucking at football thing is why we're left out.

We agree.
 
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Because people think our football program
Is lame and because they think we have a small fanbase.
 
all of this breaks my heart. sry to all you long-timers - hope you get your wish of an elevated uconn football & athletics.

but i seriously wonder, if Syracuse and BC and Rutgers have not been able to matter in the national conversation, even with their top tier P5 status, what makes us think we have a shot to do any better? Are we in a better position/more serious about it? asking not because i'm hating, but because the investment/standard that the P4/P3 is implicitly asking of us, is pretty serious. Is that something we want to do, and to what end, ultimately (i.e. what does it accomplish for UConn, to keep spending and spending on football)?

AGAIN - not advocating for cancelling program/going to FCS, like others people. I v much desire to see us on the big stage. Just asking real dollars and cents / ROI questions. Surely someone in UConn boardroom, is as well.... you can only get left at the altar so much.
 
Spend every dollar we are willing to commit to athletics to proving we are a better brand, have a big market base, and are stronger at football than SDSU, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, USF, Duke, Syracuse, Pitt, BCU, and Wake Forest between now and 2031. We seemingly have just one more shot at this.
 
XStorrsion said:
Spend every dollar we are willing to commit to athletics to proving we are a better brand, have a big market base, and are stronger at football than SDSU, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, USF, Duke, Syracuse, Pitt, BCU, and Wake Forest between now and 2031. We seemingly have just one more shot at this.
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I agree we only have one more shot and our football program has to be winning 8+ games every season until the time comes when the ACC implodes otherwise we won't get in over the likes of Pitt, L'ville, Va Tech, Ga Tech, or NC State.
 
DMTCYNAW said:
try, as best as you can, to give a simple, sober-minded, non-emotional answer as to why we failed to get in again, and if you still believe we can, what are your top 3-5 things we must do to get into the p4/ p3 party ASAP.
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It’s a largely southwest conference and four already-P5 schools in more convenient locations became available.

According to the Arizona president, they were signing a GOR on Friday morning before Oregon called and said they were going to the Big Ten.

We came that close
 
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DMTCYNAW said:
all of this breaks my heart. sry to all you long-timers - hope you get your wish of an elevated uconn football & athletics.

but i seriously wonder, if Syracuse and BC and Rutgers have not been able to matter in the national conversation, even with their top tier P5 status, what makes us think we have a shot to do any better? Are we in a better position/more serious about it? asking not because i'm hating, but because the investment/standard that the P4/P3 is implicitly asking of us, is pretty serious. Is that something we want to do, and to what end, ultimately (i.e. what does it accomplish for UConn, to keep spending and spending on football)?

AGAIN - not advocating for cancelling program/going to FCS, like others people. I v much desire to see us on the big stage. Just asking real dollars and cents / ROI questions. Surely someone in UConn boardroom, is as well.... you can only get left at the altar so much.
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UConn has a history of building successful athletic programs so I am confident that UConn can be successful at football if given the required resources.

Syracuse and BC as private schools have limited financial strength to compete at the top level of college football. If either of those schools had gotten left behind when the ACC expanded like UConn did, I would think their football programs would have collapsed due to lack of funding.

Look at BC's last 3 football head coaching hires. Spaziani was a disaster. Addazio defined mediocrity. Hafley hasn't shown he can handle the job. Why were they hired? Because BC was unwilling to pay up for a proven successful head coach.

Rutgers is Rutgers. They are perceived to be a sleeping giant due to their proximity to NYC and Philly, but they just seem to have trouble building successful athletic programs.
 
hank970 said:
James Madison, for one. Not sure about the others.
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He was short but John Quincy Adams may have been shorter. Both were reported to be in the 5'3" range
 
Fishy said:
It’s a largely southwest conference and four already-P5 schools in more convenient locations became available.

According to the Arizona president, they were signing a GOR on Friday morning before Oregon called and said they were going to the Big Ten.

We came that close
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What are the odds of getting the pen knocked out of the hand twice?
 
DMTCYNAW said:
all of this breaks my heart. sry to all you long-timers - hope you get your wish of an elevated uconn football & athletics.

but i seriously wonder, if Syracuse and BC and Rutgers have not been able to matter in the national conversation, even with their top tier P5 status, what makes us think we have a shot to do any better? Are we in a better position/more serious about it? asking not because i'm hating, but because the investment/standard that the P4/P3 is implicitly asking of us, is pretty serious. Is that something we want to do, and to what end, ultimately (i.e. what does it accomplish for UConn, to keep spending and spending on football)?

AGAIN - not advocating for cancelling program/going to FCS, like others people. I v much desire to see us on the big stage. Just asking real dollars and cents / ROI questions. Surely someone in UConn boardroom, is as well.... you can only get left at the altar so much.
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Viability in hoops will eventually require membership in the club. Football or no football, the entire athletics program will be irrelevant eventually if we don’t get in somewhere.
 
Excalibur said:
Viability in hoops will eventually require membership in the club. Football or no football, the entire athletics program will be irrelevant eventually if we don’t get in somewhere.
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We're on a path where college sports will he irrelevant for a large swaths of the country. I guess it will be fun for those few SEC teams who win championships and those few Big 10 teams who are ranked highly all season and never win championships. I don't see how that will be fun for anyone else
 
superjohn said:
We're on a path where college sports will he irrelevant for a large swaths of the country. I guess it will be fun for those few SEC teams who win championships and those few Big 10 teams who are ranked highly all season and never win championships. I don't see how that will be fun for anyone else
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How many schools can win football national championships now?
 
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dayooper said:
How many schools can win football national championships now?
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There's only 4 conferences who win basketball national championships. ACC, Big East, Big 12, and SEC. There's basically only one conference the SEC who wins football national championships and 4 teams are in the mix- Bama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida. Clemson will be the 5th team once they're added to the SEC. The point is having 2 conferences who control everything while everyone else is shut out and only one conference who wins stuff is terrible for college sports. People lose interest when they're not a part of things.
 
superjohn said:
There's only 4 conferences who win basketball national championships. ACC, Big East, Big 12, and SEC. There's basically only one conference the SEC who wins football national championships and 4 teams are in the mix- Bama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida. Clemson will be the 5th team once they're added to the SEC. The point is having 2 conferences who control everything while everyone else is shut out and only one conference who wins stuff is terrible for college sports. People lose interest when they're not a part of things.
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I agree, but the beauty of the NCAA tournament is that it gives 68 teams a fighting chance to win it all. Every single conference in the sport is represented in the tournament. So yes, even though the ACC, Big East, SEC, and Big 12 are the only conferences that produce a winner, everyone else is still getting an equal shot at it.

College football gives 4 teams a chance. And with the SEC, Big 10, and ACC/B12 winner taking up 3 of those 4 spots, you are leaving the rest of college football to fight over 1 spot. And when the CFP expands, they'll just give more spots to those conferences. There's only 10 FBS conferences (plus indy). The sport would be so much better if every conference got an AQ in the CFP
 
aburks41 said:
I agree, but the beauty of the NCAA tournament is that it gives 68 teams a fighting chance to win it all. Every single conference in the sport is represented in the tournament. So yes, even though the ACC, Big East, SEC, and Big 12 are the only conferences that produce a winner, everyone else is still getting an equal shot at it.

College football gives 4 teams a chance. And with the SEC, Big 10, and ACC/B12 winner taking up 3 of those 4 spots, you are leaving the rest of college football to fight over 1 spot. And when the CFP expands, they'll just give more spots to those conferences. There's only 10 FBS conferences (plus indy). The sport would be so much better if every conference got an AQ in the CFP
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They are going to do away with AQ’s. 12 playoff spots and a selection board made up of Power Conference AD’s.
 
aburks41 said:
I agree, but the beauty of the NCAA tournament is that it gives 68 teams a fighting chance to win it all. Every single conference in the sport is represented in the tournament. So yes, even though the ACC, Big East, SEC, and Big 12 are the only conferences that produce a winner, everyone else is still getting an equal shot at it.

College football gives 4 teams a chance. And with the SEC, Big 10, and ACC/B12 winner taking up 3 of those 4 spots, you are leaving the rest of college football to fight over 1 spot. And when the CFP expands, they'll just give more spots to those conferences. There's only 10 FBS conferences (plus indy). The sport would be so much better if every conference got an AQ in the CFP
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I stopped caring about college football a while ago. It would be neat to have UConn occasionally being a top 25 team but it's a Southern SEC sport and it's only going to become more of a Southern SEC sport. Big 10 is just accumulating big names who don't win anything. I think the fear for everyone is that these greedy morons will try and ruin college basketball and the best event in sports. They're unbelievably greedy and unbelievably stupid but the backlash would be enormous if they tried to ruin college hoops. Just break football off and the two of them can jack each other off.
 
Forget all the esoteric last minute machinations of the Pac 12. While the 4 Corner Schools made more sense for hurried Big 12 invitations during that dramatic "tipping point" on Friday morning, the fact remains that—FOX was not pushing for us to be invited! While Yormark and ESPN wanted us—FOX was against it. While UConn may have played an outsized role in Bret Yormark’s conference vision, FOX’s Big East TV rights made UConn more valuable to them staying in the Big East (at least in the short term) than any perceived 'value added' Fox might get from us being in the Big12. Why would FOX want to lose their ratings "big dog" as the Huskies head into the ‘23-24 season as the National Champion.

May 2023
Representatives from FOX Sports, the Big East's television partner, led by Executive Vice President Jordan Bazant and Executive Vice President Larry Jones, who negotiated the conference’s current national television agreement, spoke to the men’s and women’s coaching groups about plans for the 2023-24 season, including scheduling and promotional strategies to enhance their already innovative wall-to-wall coverage of BIG EAST men’s and women’s basketball. "The league will enter the 2023-24 season riding a wave of basketball successes during the 2023 postseason, which culminated with the University of Connecticut’s fifth men’s basketball national championship. Ratings for men’s and women’s basketball on the FOX family of networks this past year were up 10% and 107%, respectively."
Joel Fisher, Executive Vice President for Marquee Events, participated in discussions about the success of the BIG EAST Tournament and potential future events involving BIG EAST schools at The World’s Most Famous Arena, Madison Square Garden.
The BIG EAST Men's regular season culminated with sellouts in all five sessions of the BIG EAST Tournament at Madison Square Garden, the Tournament’s home since 1983. This was the highest attendance and TV ratings in years. The BIG EAST Women's Tournament at Mohegan Sun boasted the highest attendance and viewership numbers since realignment.

I would submit that in both instances, UConn's being back in the conference with successful programs were key contributors to the rise in both attendance and viewership. Would you be eager to see UConn slip away to the Big 12 if you owned those Big East rights? UConn is must-see TV for Fox’s Big East basketball ratings.
 
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