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Ohtani gets 700M

superjohn said:
Does winning even matter anymore? Treating teams like hedge funds is just weird.
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Yeah it should. They’re definitely investments for all of the owners of all the teams. I don’t think you sign as many guys as the Dodgers have without intending to win. Winning also affects the value so it’s hard to say what motivated them. Teams in many smaller markets you can definitely argue are just a place to grow their savings, while some I think do care but maybe attempt it in the smartest way they know how. OKC comes to mind as a team willing to pay to win but doing what they feel they need to in order to keep it sustainable. Oakland seems to be the opposite.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
You’re not wrong. I HIGHLY doubt he makes it all the way through that contract as a pitcher.
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Some articles quoting other executives seem to say it doesn’t really matter. He will still make the team more money than he costs if he only plays well for 5/6 years and even if he only pitches a few. That’s how popular he is in Japan and the West Coast.
 
uconn13 said:
It makes me smile when I remember this, at the time, 10 year old baseball fans utter shock when the Yankees gave Dave Winfield his 10 year 10 million deal in 1980. A million per year to play ball?

Next thing you know, there will be a portable cassette player that comes with cheap headphones plugged in to listen to music wherever you go. What a world!

Except the battery cost to make it actually play the music, cut into my savings to fund my Wiffle ball addiction, forget the added cost for rolls of electrical tape to apply to the bats and balls. More lawns to mow, more sidewalks/driveways to shovel. At least packs of Topps were only 20¢!
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The first w t f contract I remember was gooden 3 years 9m
 
WestCoastHusky said:
Shohei Ohtani just signed the biggest sports contract in the history of pro sports. Messi was just at $674M with Shohei just beating it with $700M.

Perhaps it is a way to even it out after being paid way below the market with the Angels, but it is a huge investment with no opt outs.

I do believe Dodgers will earn this back easily just having all the Japanese companies paying for ads at the stadium, and getting Dodgers broadcasted all over the world. This is much more than just a baseball investment. They are basically all in on the Shohei brand. As someone who has watched Shohei a ton, he is just an amazing athlete that's second to none. He will bring many more eyeballs even to the Dodgers

Now if somehow we can get Shohei to contribute to the UConn football NIL fund
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I can just imagine the next negotiations with a guy like Adley Rutschman. "Sorry, you're a white guy from Portland. You have no value off the field."
 
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Huskyforlife said:
700 million dollars to a guy who hasn’t made a World Series, and coming off an re injured elbow he had Tommy John surgery on in 2018. Feel like it’s very unlikely he’s worth that deal.
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Forget about making a World Series, his team has yet to make the playoffs and yet to have a winning record.
 
Wild how he's getting $70M a year and it's still going to be a bargain for the Dodgers. He's worth every penny of that contract
 
navery12 said:
Wild how he's getting $70M a year and it's still going to be a bargain for the Dodgers. He's worth every penny of that contract
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Not if it's about winning.
 
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Yardigan said:
you mean, the Los Angeles Angels are not actually in LA?
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The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim you mean? Nope. Even if they were the LA team will always be the Dodgers.
 
superjohn said:
Not if it's about winning.
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They’ll win. Adding him to a lineup with Freeman, Betts and a rotation stacked with some of the best young pitchers in baseball isn’t going to hurt. They also have some of the best prospects in baseball too. That’s even after graduating several to the majors. As a Yankees fan I’m jealous they managed to stack their roster and farm system with so many all stars and didn’t really need to trade any away. Just in existing contracts and team controllable years on prospects they should be good for the next 5 years minimum. That’s without adding more during that time.
 
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He's a great player, saw him Homer in person last season back to back with Trout. In
person he appears much bigger than Trout, though Trout is shorter more muscular. But there's no way his arm holds up to keep him a starter, 2 way player. Maybe they want him for a closer. How does he warm up during games?
 
navery12 said:
When you're the Dodgers and you're going to have a $300-350M payroll, yes absolutely
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Sure they will win. Until they run into a hot Braves, Brewers, Cardinals or whatever team in the playoffs. Baseball is just way too random. When great is succeeding 1/3 of the time it not like other sports. The best way to win a WS is to get in the playoffs every year and hope you get lucky with injuries and a hot pitcher or hitters at the right time. Great players can’t get you there or the Angels, with two of the top players, would have made it. Dodgers are stacked, so sure, a playoff team. Beyond that?
 
navery12 said:
When you're the Dodgers and you're going to have a $300-350M payroll, yes absolutely
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these type of mega contracts always end up not being worth it? I’m just thinking about Stanton as a Yankees fan.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these type of mega contracts always end up not being worth it? I’m just thinking about Stanton as a Yankees fan.
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I mean it really depends. 2 years ago the biggest FA contracts handed out were Corey Seager and Marcus Semien to the Rangers, and they won a World Series this year. So for the Rangers I'd say those deals absolutely worked out
 
navery12 said:
I mean it really depends. 2 years ago the biggest FA contracts handed out were Corey Seager and Marcus Semien to the Rangers, and they won a World Series this year. So for the Rangers I'd say those deals absolutely worked out
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I know I could look it up, but were those contracts in the historical territory?
 
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Huskyforlife said:
I know I could look it up, but were those contracts in the historical territory?
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Not historical, but Seager got $325M for 10 years which was pretty large at the time and I believe is still top 10 for largest contracts of all time
 
Huskyforlife said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these type of mega contracts always end up not being worth it? I’m just thinking about Stanton as a Yankees fan.
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It’s worth it to their franchise, they are going to rake in billions in revenue, and the world wide television ratings are gonna go through the roof, especially in Japan. Sure you can laugh at the Dodgers whenever they fall short in the playoffs but you can’t say their front office hasn’t done everything in their power to put a winning product on the field.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t these type of mega contracts always end up not being worth it? I’m just thinking about Stanton as a Yankees fan.
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For starters, the Dodgers might even triple their investment in Ohtani due to the fact he’s an international superstar. Adley Rutschman or any other American-born ballplayer simple do not have that level of cachet. And by triple their investment, I’m saying they wouldn’t have made the $ that he brings in himself. So on that side of things, yeah, it will be worth it.

Will they win? I’d say probably, yes they will.
 
Listen, there are always loop holes in every contract, so I wouldn't be too concerned about the 700M. Some team was going to pay this amount for his services, so why not the Dodgers. Keeping him in LA was very important to the community as a whole. If he can produce as expected at the plate, he'll probably be worth it. If he can pitch again after next year, that will be frosting on the cake. But there are always what ifs in contracts and the LA fans will be paying the tariff anyway. Ticket prices are going up!
 
OceanDoggie said:
I guess they see the total cost of value greater than just His production on field. However, I do agree in the craziness of all that money tied into one asset/player.

Here is an article from July that speculated/predicted the $700 mm contract:
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Read that there is deferred compensation so LA will still have the resources to build a strong contender. Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid until 2035. Ohtani's grandkids might get checks.
 
bfs3 said:
Some articles quoting other executives seem to say it doesn’t really matter. He will still make the team more money than he costs if he only plays well for 5/6 years and even if he only pitches a few. That’s how popular he is in Japan and the West Coast.
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My concern would be less on the pure dollars and cents (agreed, the amount they’ll make from Japanese broadcast rights and other Japanese market revenue will be significant), it’s about resource allocation. MLB doesn’t have a salary cap but unless the dodgers got very aggressive with deferrals, this is going to eat up a huge chunk of their payroll space in relation to the luxury tax. I fear he won’t even play half of this as a top level pitcher based on his injury history. And while he’s a phenomenal Dan Hurley, $70M a year for an elite Dan Hurley is going to be an issue when it comes to fielding a competitive team if that’s all he can do in the out years.
 
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