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DaBball said:
Old, but not sure if it was ever posted, but Jasmine Lister was in WA watching Talia von Oelhoffen on September 23.
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Not reported here. Where did you see that? I can't find it anywhere.
 
connboy77 said:
If both Cardosa and Edwards want to commit, UCONN should take both. Yes, I know they would then have six commits for 2020, but both are excellent players and there is no guarantee that UCONN will get Amari DeBerry in 2021. UCONN would also solve their lack of height problem for the near future.
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UConn is done recruiting for 2020, IMHO.
 
DaBball said:
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Talia von Oelhoffen is a very nice player just don't see a good fit for her at UCONN with a roster that going to include four (Aubrey, Mir, Saylor, Anna) who can all play the SF position and three guards (Christyn, Paige, & Nika that are the same size as Talia and can play SG and slide over and play SF.
 
CocoHusky said:
Talia von Oelhoffen is a very nice player just don't see a good fit for her at UCONN with a roster that going to include four (Aubrey, Mir, Saylor, Anna) who can all play the SF position and three guards (Christyn, Paige, & Nika that are the same size as Talia and can play SG and slide over and play SF.
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Christyn will be 3 years ahead of her, and Aubrey and Anna 2 years ahead of her. Maybe Talia is our back-up plan in case we don't get Azzi.
 
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MilfordHusky said:
Christyn will be 3 years ahead of her, and Aubrey and Anna 2 years ahead of her. Maybe Talia is our back-up plan in case we don't get Azzi.
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:eek: Sorry but I just can't endorse that kind of thinking!
Besides Azzi there is still Miles, Rivers, Verhulst, and Key. My personal favorite Marshall is also reportedly holding a UCONN offer.
 
CocoHusky said:
:eek: Sorry but I just can't endorse that kind of thinking!
Besides Azzi there is still Miles, Rivers, Verhulst, and Key. My personal favorite Marshall is also reportedly holding a UCONN offer.
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Yes, but evidently, the coaching staff does not agree with you. Maybe they don't think their chances of getting commitments from those players are good.
 
donalddoowop said:
Yes, but evidently, the coaching staff does not agree with you. Maybe they don't think their chances of getting commitments from those players are good.
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Even if you feel you are in a good spot with certain recruits, you still have to do your due diligence as a staff and keep evaluating other players.
 
CocoHusky said:
:eek: Sorry but I just can't endorse that kind of thinking!
Besides Azzi there is still Miles, Rivers, Verhulst, and Key. My personal favorite Marshall is also reportedly holding a UCONN offer.
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Not all that familiar with Marshall but Key will be a wing/forward.

I don't know where UConn stands with the others--haven't head a peep about Miles in forever--but they've scouted TVO several times this summer.
 
donalddoowop said:
Yes, but evidently, the coaching staff does not agree with you. Maybe they don't think their chances of getting commitments from those players are good.
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Let's see now.: The UCONN staff is in the HoFs and I'm posting on the BY. Agreement between me and the UCONN staff would be accidental, unlikely, was never going to happen.
 
2020 POI Gemma Potter has announced she will attend UCLA on social media.

Thanks to Stoli for the news.
 
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DaBball said:

ASGR Basketball - Women's Basketball Recruiting & Scouting Services

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#1 - Fudd
#2 - Miles
#3 - Rivers
#4 - Moore
#7 - Poffenbarger
#9 - Ducharme
#10 - DeBerry
#12 - Wolfenbarger
#13 - Hollingshead
#14 - Key
#15 - Citron
#16 - von Oelhoffen

...and a few more.
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That's another very high rating for Poffenbarger. She went from mostly unranked, save for a high ranking at Blue Star, to top-20 by everyone else.

Also the lowest I've seen DeBerry rated by any outlet at any point. Not that 10th is lowly.

Noted that Taylor Bigby, one-time UConn POI, just gave a verbal to Oregon.


The other players mentioned with UConn:

18) - McPherson
22) - Johnson
25 - Wolfenbarger
29 - Darius
37 - Kampschroeder
73 - Adams

One player I'm still not sure about is Kiki Iriafen--new posts on her below--who is #17. There were some reasons to think UConn was scouting her but it hasn't been confirmed yet.
 
Sluconn Husky said:
That's another very high rating for Poffenbarger. She went from mostly unranked, save for a high ranking at Blue Star, to top-20 by everyone else.

Also the lowest I've seen DeBerry rated by any outlet at any point. Not that 10th is lowly.

Noted that Taylor Bigby, one-time UConn POI, just gave a verbal to Oregon.


The other players mentioned with UConn:

18) - McPherson
22) - Johnson
25 - Wolfenbarger
29 - Darius
37 - Kampschroeder
73 - Adams

One player I'm still not sure about is Kiki Iriafen--new posts below on her--who is #17. There were some reasons to think UConn was scouting her but it hasn't been confirmed yet.
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I feel like Geno's level of interest patterns Blue Star more than other lists.
 
DEpup said:
I feel like Geno's level of interest patterns Blue Star more than other lists.
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Well, Poffenbarger had a very good ranking there before UConn's interest in her was publicly known. Maybe Blue Star somehow knew but that might be a coincidence.
 
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Sluconn Husky said:
Well, Poffenbarger had a very good ranking there before UConn's interest in her was publicly known. Maybe Blue Star somehow knew but that might be a coincidence.
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It could also be in the organization's evaluation criteria. I'm sure they all weight attributes differently and maybe Blue Star criteria aligns more closely to the Geno criteria.
 
Sluconn Husky said:
That's another very high rating for Poffenbarger. She went from mostly unranked, save for a high ranking at Blue Star, to top-20 by everyone else.

Also the lowest I've seen DeBerry rated by any outlet at any point. Not that 10th is lowly.

Noted that Taylor Bigby, one-time UConn POI, just gave a verbal to Oregon.


The other players mentioned with UConn:

18) - McPherson
22) - Johnson
25 - Wolfenbarger
29 - Darius
37 - Kampschroeder
73 - Adams

One player I'm still not sure about is Kiki Iriafen--new posts on her below--who is #17. There were some reasons to think UConn was scouting her but it hasn't been confirmed yet.
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Sluconn:

I just finished posting about this on McGraw's Bench with appropriate Irish prospects and wrote up both the player's ranking and their rating. What's amazing is that if you look at the top ranked prospect, Fudd, she has a 99 while the 16th and 17th ranked players come in at 96.

Yes, the rankings get headlines but I think that the ratings sometimes help explain why coaches might look at prospects "way below other ranked players," when, in fact, their ratings are pretty close. Lots of good talent in this class...and the race for the remaining 2020 prospects is winding down.
 
Dillon77 said:
Sluconn:

I just finished posting about this on McGraw's Bench with appropriate Irish prospects and wrote up both the player's ranking and their rating. What's amazing is that if you look at the top ranked prospect, Fudd, she has a 99 while the 16th and 17th ranked players come in at 96.

Yes, the rankings get headlines but I think that the ratings sometimes help explain why coaches might look at prospects "way below other ranked players," when, in fact, their ratings are pretty close. Lots of good talent in this class...and the race for the remaining 2020 prospects is winding down.
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It seems to be a strong class. He really has Fudd on her own level though because while she gets a 99, Olivia Miles gets the only 98, and then there are just 3 players with 97's. He separates the top-5 from the rest and even then Fudd is a step or two above the other four.

I wonder where Awak Kuier would be ranked because she strikes me as even more impact than Fudd.
 
Is there interest from UConn with Awak Kuier? I have heard her mentioned a few times but not sure if she has an offer from UConn or if she even has interest in UConn?
 
Dillon77 said:
Sluconn:

I just finished posting about this on McGraw's Bench with appropriate Irish prospects and wrote up both the player's ranking and their rating. What's amazing is that if you look at the top ranked prospect, Fudd, she has a 99 while the 16th and 17th ranked players come in at 96.

Yes, the rankings get headlines but I think that the ratings sometimes help explain why coaches might look at prospects "way below other ranked players," when, in fact, their ratings are pretty close. Lots of good talent in this class...and the race for the remaining 2020 prospects is winding down.
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Nice point. The grading/ratings as opposed to rankings for players is certainly worthy of looking at and with the difficulty of comparison in such a wide field of HS basketball players ranking the non-superstars is very subjective - what really distinguishes a 10 ranking from a 25 ranking? They are both flawed players and you are guessing at how a 17 year old will develop over her next 5 years for the seniors and for longer for juniors/sophomores - putting those players in any order is really a guessing game.

Gradings on the other hand are more in tune with grading a gymnastic performance where you are marking down from perfect and may hand out lots of 9 grades but very few 10s. With basketball gradings 100 is theoretical, 99 is used only in a few years, 98 in good years might be given to a couple of players and occasionally none, and 97 is for some of your top10. 96 becomes the grade for those you wish had just a little more of something.

NB Having written that, I just checked the ESPN ratings for 2020 for the first time in a long while and they have had an incredible inflation in their rating system - they have 53 players with a 5 * rating, all graded at 96 points or higher, the first 22 receive a grade of 98, and the next 20 are 97 leaving only a rare 11 graded at 96 - the opposite of a bell curve and completely meaningless in my view. They did the same for 2019 with 98 assigned to 23, 97 to 20, and 9 graded at 96. With that inflation the only distinguishing grade you can make is a 99 for an exceptional player and the only meaningful value at the top end of the class really is their ranking.
 
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UcMiami said:
Nice point. The grading/ratings as opposed to rankings for players is certainly worthy of looking at and with the difficulty of comparison in such a wide field of HS basketball players ranking the non-superstars is very subjective - what really distinguishes a 10 ranking from a 25 ranking? They are both flawed players and you are guessing at how a 17 year old will develop over her next 5 years for the seniors and for longer for juniors/sophomores - putting those players in any order is really a guessing game.

Gradings on the other hand are more in tune with grading a gymnastic performance where you are marking down from perfect and may hand out lots of 9 grades but very few 10s. With basketball gradings 100 is theoretical, 99 is used only in a few years, 98 in good years might be given to a couple of players and occasionally none, and 97 is for some of your top10. 96 becomes the grade for those you wish had just a little more of something.

NB Having written that, I just checked the ESPN ratings for 2020 for the first time in a long while and they have had an incredible inflation in their rating system - they have 53 players with a 5 * rating, all graded at 96 points or higher, the first 22 receive a grade of 98, and the next 20 are 97 leaving only a rare 11 graded at 96 - the opposite of a bell curve and completely meaningless in my view. They did the same for 2019 with 98 assigned to 23, 97 to 20, and 9 graded at 96. With that inflation the only distinguishing grade you can make is a 99 for an exceptional player and the only meaningful value at the top end of the class really is their ranking.
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The ESPN rating have been consistently inflated since about 2014 with ~ the top 20 kids in the class achieving a grade of 98. I once corresponded with ESPN about this and the response I got back said precisely what you stated- the real differentiation is in with the rankings.
 
UcMiami said:
Nice point. The grading/ratings as opposed to rankings for players is certainly worthy of looking at and with the difficulty of comparison in such a wide field of HS basketball players ranking the non-superstars is very subjective - what really distinguishes a 10 ranking from a 25 ranking? They are both flawed players and you are guessing at how a 17 year old will develop over her next 5 years for the seniors and for longer for juniors/sophomores - putting those players in any order is really a guessing game.

Gradings on the other hand are more in tune with grading a gymnastic performance where you are marking down from perfect and may hand out lots of 9 grades but very few 10s. With basketball gradings 100 is theoretical, 99 is used only in a few years, 98 in good years might be given to a couple of players and occasionally none, and 97 is for some of your top10. 96 becomes the grade for those you wish had just a little more of something.

NB Having written that, I just checked the ESPN ratings for 2020 for the first time in a long while and they have had an incredible inflation in their rating system - they have 53 players with a 5 * rating, all graded at 96 points or higher, the first 22 receive a grade of 98, and the next 20 are 97 leaving only a rare 11 graded at 96 - the opposite of a bell curve and completely meaningless in my view. They did the same for 2019 with 98 assigned to 23, 97 to 20, and 9 graded at 96. With that inflation the only distinguishing grade you can make is a 99 for an exceptional player and the only meaningful value at the top end of the class really is their ranking.
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I cannot stand having 53 5-star players in a class. It’s simply unrealistic to have 53 players thinking they are a 5-star recruit.
 
This is from Clay Kallam:

I've had some discussions about elite players as we get ready for our preseason articles, and there's a sense that Van Lith and Andrews might be slightly overrated at this point. Obviously still very good but maybe not quite at that level.



 
CocoHusky said:
The ESPN rating have been consistently inflated since about 2014 with ~ the top 20 kids in the class achieving a grade of 98. I once corresponded with ESPN about this and the response I got back said precisely what you stated- the real differentiation is in with the rankings.
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Coco, while you’re at it, can you write a letter to the Michelin Guide? There can’t be 133 three star restaurants. :rolleyes:
 
DaBball said:
I cannot stand having 53 5-star players in a class. It’s simply unrealistic to have 53 players thinking they are a 5-star recruit.
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I agree completely. I've said for a long time that these ratings shouldn't be taken seriously. IMO, they're only hype jobs to generate clicks and subscriptions for websites. As a rater, I'd be embarrassed to be rating a kid as a 5 star and then watch them struggle to do anything against a bunch of 5-8 kids from someplace like Puerto Rico in these summer tournaments. Ranking this many kids from 96-98 or whatever is useless and completely subjective.
 
BobbyJ said:
Ranking this many kids from 96-98 or whatever is useless and completely subjective.
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Aren't all ratings subjective though? It's not like women's basketball is the only sport that does this. Been a staple of football and men's basketball, and is basically the same method used to rank prospects for baseball and hockey drafts.
 
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