NPOY 2017 not a lock for Kelsey Plum

[CBear01]

UCONN's first of 4 was in 2013.
If that is the exercise then I'd like to point out these some of which have already been mentioned.
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[*]2014 Odssey won WBCA POY Wade trophy over Stewie.
[*]2012 & 2013 there was no better college player on the planet than EDD.
[*]2010 Tina Charles won over Maya Moore the POY the prior year.
[*]2007 Lindsey Harding won Naismith over Candace Parker.
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So that is at least 5 discrepancies in 10 years that I can think off.

This is good stuff Coco! When I said 12 I meant the 12-13 season when we won the first of 4, Baylor was def the team to beat that year (after running the table the year b4) and Griner was a senior right? Glad we won that year and glad Griner was recognized again (she would have won more times had she developed more quickly)

I like that you add in about Odyssey. She's no Stewie but man did she have a great senior year, and very very strong years b4 that. One of the few Baylor players I loved watching

Not sure if I agree about EDD...over Griner?

 

[meyers7]

Katie Lou currently is the leader in Boneyard Badass Awards

Exactly. And how many has Plum won? That's right, a big fat 0. So, there it is.

 

[reno tony]

Sounds like everyone on the BY is in agreement...... NPOY goes to a Husky!

 

[CajunHusky]

Sounds like everyone on the BY is in agreement. NPOY goes to a Husky!

I think at this point of the year it is between Lou and Kelsey Plum ....

My heart says Lou! .... not even a contest.......

but, objectively and I guess this board isn't really about being objective... I would vote for Kelsey. At this point, she has earned the NPOY.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Well, if he said it, I hope he was being sarcastic, because it make no sense.

But there is an implied bias in the comment. And Geno is not in favor of biases.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Sounds like everyone on the BY is in agreement. NPOY goes to a Husky!

From the above, not everyone agrees--quite a few see Plum--as a Cajun said--in his heart it's kLS
for me that too is true. But some from a logical/less than factual point of view see Plum
The author of this thread--had facts to make one believe it could not be Plum
Another poster requested to know which NpoY was being discussed--true statement--
I go with the heart--since that is always with a Husky--I'll believe the opposite when/if it happens.
So many have been fooled by polls this year--so i await the final results.

 

[BigBird]

Consider media influence, my friends. The same people who constantly proffer the "who can please beat UConn" drumbeat are going to ensure that somebody else, anybody else, gets the bouquet when it comes to individual awards that the media CAN partially or wholly control. With every UConn win, it increases the "pressure" for those outside our fanbase to push back. It is dumb. It is also real.

 

[Bajan Best]

Wow stepped out for the afternoon and just got back in, I believe the info was from The Naismith listing.. I will double check and add the Wade listing as well, as soon as I can for reference..

It is not my job to make anyone believe anything, Just wanted to illustrate what history has shown us..

And to the Quote "The Best Player on the Best team" it was Geno who mentioned that a few years back, when he was arguing why one of his Players should win the award.. He also talked about the fact that his players don't play as many minutes per game due to the scoring differential in UCONN games vs. that of some other teams, who's players might garnish more minutes, therefore accruing lofty numbers.. and therefore not a true reflection of the value of a player..

 

[Plebe]

Nothing is a lock at this point in the season, but Kelsey Plum is about as close to a lock for NPOY as one could be in January without being on the #1 team in the country.

Last year she was robbed, IMO, when she was named only to 3rd team AA. This was Tara VanDerveer's take at the time:

Speaking of which, VanDerveer is still chagrined that the Pac-12 doesn’t get enough credit, although she hopes that having Oregon State and Washington reach the Final Four might change people’s perceptions.

She was miffed that the Huskies’ Kelsey Plum was only a third-team AP All-American. “You can’t guard her,” VanDerveer said. “They just don’t understand West Coast basketball.”

Despite being the top conference in collective RPI, the Pac-12 “just doesn’t have much credibility,” she said. During the season, she heard ESPN analyst Carolyn Peck say, “The Pac-12’s got the best RPI, but I don’t believe that. I go by the eye test.”​

 

[Bigboote]

Am I the only one who considers that Lou night not even be the MVP of UConn? If she keeps up what she's been doing the last couple of games, quite likely, but so far I'd give the UConn MVP to Gabby.

I've said before about Plum, she's not only leading the nation in scoring by a considerable margin, she's also shooting 53% from the floor, 43% from behind the arc, she may have the first-ever NCAAW 50-40-90 season, and she averages 5+ assists a game. She has an assist-turnover ratio of 2, with the ball in her hands most of the time. She's not just leading the nation in scoring, she's having what may be a historic year.

 

[Bajan Best]

2015-16: NS-NPOY - Breanna Stewart 19.4 PPG, NSL - Kelsey Plum 25.9 PPG, Wade Trophy - Breanna Stewart
2014-15: NS-NPOY - Breanna Stewart 17.6 PPG, NSL - Kelsey Mitchell 24.9 PPG, Wade Trophy - Breanna Stewart
2013-14: NS-NPOY - Breanna Stewart 19.4 PPG, NSL - Jerica Coley 29.5 PPG, Wade Trophy - Odyssey Sims 28.5
2012-13: NS-NPOY - Brittney Griner 23.8 PPG, NSL - Jerica Coley 26.3 PPG, Wade Trophy - Brittney Griner
2011-12: NS-NPOY - Brittney Griner 23.2 PPG, NSL - Elena Delle Donne 28.1 PPG, Wade Trophy - Brittney Griner
2010-11: NS-NPOY - Maya Moore 22.8 PPG, NSL - Kevi Luper 23.7 PPG, Wade Trophy - Maya Moore
2009-10: NS-NPOY - Tina Charles 18.2 PPG, NSL - Alysha Clark 28.3 PPG, Wade Trophy - Maya Moore 18.9
2008-09: NS-NPOY - Maya Moore 19.3 PPG, NSL - Angel McCoughtry 23.1 PPG, Wade Trophy - Maya Moore
2007-08: NS-NPOY - Candace Parker 21.3 PPG, NSL - Amber Holt 27.4 PPG, Wade Trophy - Candice Wiggins 20.2
2006-07: NS-NPOY - Lindsey Harding 13.6 PPG, NSL - Carrie Moore 25.4 PPG, Wade Trophy - Candace Parker 19.6

Wade trophy in 39 years.. 29 Seniors, 9 Juniors and 1 Sophomore has won the award

 

[Vowelguy]

Nothing is a lock at this point in the season, but Kelsey Plum is about as close to a lock for NPOY as one could be in January without being on the #1 team in the country.

+1000000

 

[reno tony]

From the above, not everyone agrees--quite a few see Plum--as a Cajun said--in his heart it's kLS
for me that too is true. But some from a logical/less than factual point of view see Plum
The author of this thread--had facts to make one believe it could not be Plum
Another poster requested to know which NpoY was being discussed--true statement--
I go with the heart--since that is always with a Husky--I'll believe the opposite when/if it happens.
So many have been fooled by polls this year--so i await the final results.

Some people are forgetting Plum is also a Husky...... a Washington Husky.

 

[Bajan Best]

There are at least 2 NPOY awards -Wade & Naismith. This presents the possibility of a split NPOY which last happened in 2014 when Stewie took the Naismith and Odyssey took the Wade. Another example and contradictory to your prior post is that Lindsey Harding won the Naismith in 2007 NOT Parker. Please clarify which POY you think Plum is NOT going to win.

Actually the following were all NPOY awards at one time or the other:
Naismith Trophy - Wade Trophy - AP Player of the Year - USBWA Player of the Year - Wooden Award

And thanks I did update the listing to reflect Lindsay Harding as the correct winner in 2007, received bad info from another site, as well as included the corresponding Wade Trophy winners...

Finally my reference on Plum not winning is based on a comment made by another poster, which stated IF Katie Lou were to score 30 or more points going forward.. Which is highly unlikely as far as I'm concerned not even Plum will do that, but if it did happen my money is on Katie Lou for any of those awards because that in itself would simply be amazing..

 

[BroadwayVa]

Some people are forgetting Plum is also a Husky. a Washington Husky.

But in recent times and into the near future--it is only the Husky from Connecticut that attends the NC/Final 4 games. She is fun to watch--and a heck of a shooter. Her big, injured, friend is also fun to watch--much like Kallie McClaren.

 

[Bajan Best]

Odyssey finished 2nd in scoring in 2014. 2nd in scoring on a good team was enough to get her the Wade (WBCA POY) trophy over Stewie.
Plum is leading the nation by such a significant (+ 6.5 points/game) margin and is also playing on a good team I don't think this vote will be even close.
BTW @Bajan Best math is way off. For KLS to catch Plum in scoring average KLS would have to average close to 40 points/game ( not 30) for the remainder of UCONN season~21 games.

My statement has nothing to do with catching her scoring average.. as that is not the determining factor as to who wins the award.. It typically goes to the best players on a team going somewhere, not just the best scorer.. so matching her points per game is not necessary to win..

 

[reno tony]

But in recent times and into the near future--it is only the Husky from Connecticut that attends the NC/Final 4 games. She is fun to watch--and a heck of a shooter. Her big, injured, friend is also fun to watch--much like Kallie McClaren.

I agree, well, about the "heck of a shooter" part because I watched her during last year's Final Four. Maybe they will get another shot at a Husky - Husky Final this year.

 

[MilfordHusky]

I'm pretty sure that the best player on the best team is not an explicit criterion, though some do think along those lines. There have been many years when the best team was in fact the best team because it had the best player. That logic makes sense. In 2 of the years cited by Nan and Bajan, the leading scorer wasn't the best player--Angel and EDD--but they were probably the second best players. In other years, the leading scorer wasn't even a top-10 player.

I think that Kelsey Plum is the clear leader. Why? Her scoring is obviously a consideration, but not a guarantee. Scoring loads of points and also shooting .500, .400, and .900 is rare and noteworthy. She is carrying her team to a high national ranking. Plus, she is approaching the all-time (under NCAA) scoring record. That's a very impressive resume.

I was the one, in anther thread, who was speculating as to what would have to happen for Plum not to win. I think it would take a number of things. First, Kelsey would have to miss several games (God forbid!) or have a substantial slump. Another possibility would be for Washington to lose several games and drop in the rankings. Beyond that, someone else would need to make a big splash in some way. I am the one who said that, if Lou scores 30 pp. from here out, she will get consideration. I still expect Kelsey to win, but there are possible scenarios under which someone else does. Lou is playing her way to be very high in the NPOY voting, possibly #2.

 

[Los24]

Am I the only one who considers that Lou night not even be the MVP of UConn? If she keeps up what she's been doing the last couple of games, quite likely, but so far I'd give the UConn MVP to Gabby.

I've said before about Plum, she's not only leading the nation in scoring by a considerable margin, she's also shooting 53% from the floor, 43% from behind the arc, she may have the first-ever NCAAW 50-40-90 season, and she averages 5+ assists a game. She has an assist-turnover ratio of 2, with the ball in her hands most of the time. She's not just leading the nation in scoring, she's having what may be a historic year.

If your starting a team who do you pick Gabby or Lou? Might take Pheese second to be honest. Just me but thought I would ask to make folks really think about it if you could only take one....

 

[mntncougar]

I suspect that as things stand Plum will win without much trouble, much as I love how Lou is stepping up and has improved her game. I can't say I will feel terrible about it because Plum has the stats and credentials, and regardless of how you think her team is helping her by shamelessly showcasing her it is impossible to deny she does have very good game.
But I must pose one question: what if UCONN faces Washington in the FF, destroys them and buries Plum in the process, while KLS carries our team? What then? Or is it too late then?

 

[j66kicker]

I suspect that as things stand Plum will win without much trouble, much as I love how Lou is stepping up and has improved her game. I can't say I will feel terrible about it because Plum has the stats and credentials, and regardless of how you think her team is helping her by shamelessly showcasing her it is impossible to deny she does have very good game.
But I must pose one question: what if UCONN faces Washington in the FF, destroys them and buries Plum in the process, while KLS carries our team? What then? Or is it too late then?

Too late

 

[donalddoowop]

Well, if he said it, I hope he was being sarcastic, because it make no sense.

That has been around for many, many years. I heard it first regarding baseball in the 1960's.

 

[Buzzyboy]

Am I the only one who considers that Lou night not even be the MVP of UConn? If she keeps up what she's been doing the last couple of games, quite likely, but so far I'd give the UConn MVP to Gabby.

I've said before about Plum, she's not only leading the nation in scoring by a considerable margin, she's also shooting 53% from the floor, 43% from behind the arc, she may have the first-ever NCAAW 50-40-90 season, and she averages 5+ assists a game. She has an assist-turnover ratio of 2, with the ball in her hands most of the time. She's not just leading the nation in scoring, she's having what may be a historic year.

Maybe I'm brain dead but what the heck is a 50-40-90 season????

 

[DefenseBB]

Plum. And it's not close.

To reiterate Vowelguy: Plum's full stats 31 ppg, 5.0 apg, 5.3 rpg, 2.0 steals per game. She does everything to help her team win and is not just a chucker. She has most definitely earned this award. KLS will get her chance if she continues her current evolution.

 

[Buzzyboy]

If your starting a team who do you pick Gabby or Lou? Might take Pheese second to be honest. Just me but thought I would ask to make folks really think about it if you could only take one....

I'd go with KLS for what she's already done. What kind of impact did Gabby have as a freshman and sophomore? I think very little impact her first year and a nice impact, her second. This year is obviously great but Katie was quite good as a freshman, after starting slowly and is pretty amazing as a sophomore, showing more and more with every game. I can't even begin to imagine what she'll be when she's a junior. Geno himself suggested that KLS is only a 3 or 4 but may be a 10 by the time she leaves Storrs. Can you imagine what that may be?

 

[DefenseBB]

Maybe I'm brain dead but what the heck is a 50-40-90 season????

50% field goal pct from the floor, 40% from 3 pt line, 90% from free throw line

 

[Buzzyboy]

50% field goal pct from the floor, 40% from 3 pt line, 90% from free throw line

Thanks, I guess I am brain dead. I don't think KLS is very far from that at all after a somewhat slow start at the foul line, which was a bit shocking. I actually think she's feeling badly about her three point shooting which is close to 45 or 46 % but having seen Plum play a bit late in the season in highlights and parts of a game, I think KLS's stroke is appreciably better than Plum!

 

[MilfordHusky]

Thanks, I guess I am brain dead. I don't think KLS is very far from that at all after a somewhat slow start at the foul line, which was a bit shocking. I actually think she's feeling badly about her three point shooting which is close to 45 or 46 % but having seen Plum play a bit late in the season in highlights and parts of a game, I think KLS's stroke is appreciably better than Plum!

Lou is at .507/.468/.823. Only her FT shooting is below the 50/40/90 standard. And her 3-point shooting is well above it.

Kelsey is at .530/.433/.894. She is slightly under 90 (.900) on FTs as well.

Yes, the numbers are rather comparable.

 

[BroadwayVa]

I'm pretty sure that the best player on the best team is not an explicit criterion, though some do think along those lines. There have been many years when the best team was in fact the best team because it had the best player. That logic makes sense. In 2 of the years cited by Nan and Bajan, the leading scorer wasn't the best player--Angel and EDD--but they were probably the second best players. In other years, the leading scorer wasn't even a top-10 player.

I think that Kelsey Plum is the clear leader. Why? Her scoring is obviously a consideration, but not a guarantee. Scoring loads of points and also shooting .500, .400, and .900 is rare and noteworthy. She is carrying her team to a high national ranking. Plus, she is approaching the all-time (under NCAA) scoring record. That's a very impressive resume.

I was the one, in anther thread, who was speculating as to what would have to happen for Plum not to win. I think it would take a number of things. First, Kelsey would have to miss several games (God forbid!) or have a substantial slump. Another possibility would be for Washington to lose several games and drop in the rankings. Beyond that, someone else would need to make a big splash in some way. I am the one who said that, if Lou scores 30 pp. from here out, she will get consideration. I still expect Kelsey to win, but there are possible scenarios under which someone else does. Lou is playing her way to be very high in the NPOY voting, possibly #2.

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Angel to me was the BE tourney's best player---I believe Maya got the top player award--
Angel put her team on her back throughout the tourney. I still remember this--and I wasn't much of an Angel fan. Her Attitude! When Jeff Walz got her that changed, a bit!.

 

[CocoHusky]

Am I the only one who considers that Lou night not even be the MVP of UConn? If she keeps up what she's been doing the last couple of games, quite likely, but so far I'd give the UConn MVP to Gabby.

You are not the only one. MVP not the same as best player, also not the same as POY. This is what makes this debate so much fun.

If your starting a team who do you pick Gabby or Lou?

Lou because she's a sophomore.