November General CBB Discussion Thread (Non-BE)

[Rocktheworld]

The reason I've read here most often is that Boston is a pro sports city. Too much competition. Oh ... and BC sucks.

I mean it’s true. All four major sports have routinely good teams and Boston as a city is top 5 in terms of die hard fans. And, of course, at least 3 teams’ seasons overlap at any given time outside of July and August when everyone is going to the Cape. There literally is no time for college sports (the inverse is also a huge reason why college sports are so popular across the South and Midwest). Between normal life and multiple weekly pro sports events with good teams to spend money on, how does one find the time or wherewithal to care about BC?

You’d think that BC would have a pretty decent NIL fund, which should (a la Indiana) allow them to fix at least their football program in relatively short order. But who is going to go there, when the ACC’s future isn’t glowing with optimism, to right the ship?

 

[freshler40]

I mean it’s true. All four major sports have routinely good teams and Boston as a city is top 5 in terms of die hard fans. And, of course, at least 3 teams’ seasons overlap at any given time outside of July and August when everyone is going to the Cape. There literally is no time for college sports (the inverse is also a huge reason why college sports are so popular across the South and Midwest). Between normal life and multiple weekly pro sports events with good teams to spend money on, how does one find the time or wherewithal to care about BC?

You’d think that BC would have a pretty decent NIL fund, which should (a la Indiana) allow them to fix at least their football program in relatively short order. But who is going to go there, when the ACC’s future isn’t glowing with optimism, to right the ship?

I had lived in Boston for several young years. Pro sports move the needle there. They have provided top line teams for many years. College sports are mostly for fans of each school.

 

[TheHorde]

Syracuse next please

 

[Palatine]

I mean it’s true. All four major sports have routinely good teams and Boston as a city is top 5 in terms of die hard fans. And, of course, at least 3 teams’ seasons overlap at any given time outside of July and August when everyone is going to the Cape. There literally is no time for college sports (the inverse is also a huge reason why college sports are so popular across the South and Midwest). Between normal life and multiple weekly pro sports events with good teams to spend money on, how does one find the time or wherewithal to care about BC?

You’d think that BC would have a pretty decent NIL fund, which should (a la Indiana) allow them to fix at least their football program in relatively short order. But who is going to go there, when the ACC’s future isn’t glowing with optimism, to right the ship?

That doesn't really explain USC and UCLA. Or SJU. I lived in Chicago when DePaul was good and the city loved them and they got huge ink and air time. Heck, even Loyola was front page news a couple of years ago when they were good.

Good or bad, BCU doesn't move the needle in Boston. It isn't the competition from pro sports that hurts them. With the exception of a couple of years with Flutie, no one cares.

 

[Chuck]

Boston College isn't unsuccessful because Boston is a pro town. There are plenty of schools that get little non-student support that do just fine on the field and in the stands. BC has 9,900 undergrads and a lot of other grad students around campus. Just in the ACC, Wake, Duke, SMU and Notre Dame all have less undergrads and have plenty of success and student participation. While in a city, BC isn't a commuter school and has a student body that is into sports, just not BC sports.

I'm assuming the poor attendance is mostly because of poor performance. Poor performance must mostly be due to an administration that is just taking the checks and using the minimum amount of resources possible.

It does absolutely suck that they were picked over UConn (and others more deserving than BC) because they had some football history, a better TV market that doesn't care about them, and backroom/stabbed best.

 

[BugsyCT]

I'm enjoying all the publicity they're getting over this. They can't lose enough at everything for me.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

That doesn't really explain USC and UCLA. Or SJU. I lived in Chicago when DePaul was good and the city loved them and they got huge ink and air time. Heck, even Loyola was front page news a couple of years ago when they were good.

Good or bad, BCU doesn't move the needle in Boston. It isn't the competition from pro sports that hurts them. With the exception of a couple of years with Flutie, no one cares.

USC and UCLA were both very well established in LA before LA had any professional teams.

St John's (I imagine DePaul is a similar situation) will gain attention when (and only when) they are very good. Locals will dismiss them the second they are something less than that.

I still maintain that if Flutie had been 5'11" or so nobody would have thought all that much of him or BC. He would have been viewed as a good, but slightly undersized college QB, another in a reasonably long list. That he needed a booster seat during team meals gave him a ton of great press.

 

[Rocktheworld]

That doesn't really explain USC and UCLA. Or SJU. I lived in Chicago when DePaul was good and the city loved them and they got huge ink and air time. Heck, even Loyola was front page news a couple of years ago when they were good.

Good or bad, BCU doesn't move the needle in Boston. It isn't the competition from pro sports that hurts them. With the exception of a couple of years with Flutie, no one cares.

Setting aside that this post has literally nothing to do with mine, since I was talking about Boston and not LA…

USC and UCLA are national brands that rose to prominence before most pro sports were popular in LA. They anre akin to the Yankees and Cowboys in their respective sports. Setting aside the Lakers, LA hasn’t had a good football team in decades before McVay. The Dodgers went almost 30 years without a pennant.

And how dare you mention SJU in the same light LMAO are you serious? Nobody besides SJU grads care about SJU.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Boston College isn't unsuccessful because Boston is a pro town.

No kidding. That’s not the point. This was a side discussion as to what the ACC saw in them, and why BC will never be a valuable member of the ACC. No matter how good they get (barring competing for national championships; I have to allow that exception) they will never drive attention or generate a ton of money in the Boston metro market.

 

[temery]

I mean it’s true. All four major sports have routinely good teams and Boston as a city is top 5 in terms of die hard fans. And, of course, at least 3 teams’ seasons overlap at any given time outside of July and August when everyone is going to the Cape. There literally is no time for college sports (the inverse is also a huge reason why college sports are so popular across the South and Midwest). Between normal life and multiple weekly pro sports events with good teams to spend money on, how does one find the time or wherewithal to care about BC?

You’d think that BC would have a pretty decent NIL fund, which should (a la Indiana) allow them to fix at least their football program in relatively short order. But who is going to go there, when the ACC’s future isn’t glowing with optimism, to right the ship?

Won't be long before colleges serve as minor league teams for pro sports. BC would be a natural for the Boston teams, if it weren't for the fact they suck at pretty much everything.

 

[temery]

Boston College isn't unsuccessful because Boston is a pro town.

It hurts attendance and tv revenue. College sports, now more than ever, is about money.

 

[CL82]

The bad news is that this pretty much kills CCSU's shot at joining the ACC.

 

[Mr. French]

Can the BE just jettison DePaul already, . Brutal.

Or invite UB

 

[Austin316]

They have hockey………..oops!

Huge boost to ACC hockey.

 

[Waquoit]

I read about a big commotion in an assisted living facility last night in Danvers. Hartford Hank?

 

[Husky25]

Just once in my lifetime I'd like to hear someone from the ACC office say they regret taking BC. What exactly have they added to the conference? Women's lacrosse doesn't really move the needle at all.

It put the ACC Network in approx. 5,000,000 homes in Southern New England at the time.

 

[Chuck]

It hurts attendance and tv revenue. College sports, now more than ever, is about money.

To be clear, I agree that is going to be a problem going forward with ACC revenue sharing. But up until now TV revenue wouldn't have been an issue as they got a full ACC/Hockey East share. Attendance is revenue, but they could still have been good with the revenue they've been getting, and the attendance would at least somewhat follow.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Won't be long before colleges serve as minor league teams for pro sports. BC would be a natural for the Boston teams, if it weren't for the fact they suck at pretty much everything.

BC won’t even be needed for that if you’re talking about a farm system for the NFL

 

[Deepster]

When you think about the schools that left the Big East, which ones did it actually benefit?

BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
Miami
Virginia Tech

The football teams are the same or worse and the basketball teams are all definitely worse (I think).

 

[CL82]

When you think about the schools that left the Big East, which ones did it actually benefit?

BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
Miami
Virginia Tech

All of them. They made tens of millions of dollars more per year in media distributions. The fact that many of them squandered that advantage doesn't mean that they didn't benefit from it.

Make no mistake about it, our being blackballed from the ACC was intended to financially cripple our athletic department and make us irrelevant. It didn't work out that way because of a commitment by the athletic department, the school, and the state to continue to compete at the highest level levels. I don't think that changes one bit if we had joined the ACC with Syracuse as originally planned. In all likelihood, our football program is a little bit further along, and I doubt our basketball programs would have been in any way hurt.

 

[MexicoHusky]

Continues to amaze me how lousy the ACC move has been for BC and Cuse... to a lesser extent Pitt. Miami is probably content though.

 

[upstater]

BC could be looking for a new football and a new basketball coach in the same year.

Do you really think it's the coaching?

O'Brien did an excellent job with PSU football in his few years there, and he was a pretty good HC with the Houston Texans.

It's something else. The school is not going to spend with the other schools. They're going to take in revenue instead.

 

[JB75]

Love it —let’s go hard hittin’ —— BC, They should never have left the big east for “greener” pastures. Program is a joke

 

[Waquoit]

Continues to amaze me how lousy the ACC move has been for BC and Cuse... to a lesser extent Pitt.

It was one of the most pyrrhic of Pyrrhic victories for both. They stuck it to UConn and hung them out to dry. As it turned out, playing UConn annually was the best thing their putrid athletic departments had going for them. UConn fans brought juice to their staid buildings and eyeballs to their games. Now they got nuttin'.

 

[uconndogs]

Looks like BC is in for yet another special hoops season. Innept really doesn't begin to describe the **** show that is BC basketball. If they head into the abyss with football also you have to ask why they bother "competing" at this level of college athletics.