Notre Dame lamenting conference realignment - Hockey

[Irishfan]

Nebraska's shortfall has averaged about $10M while BTN payouts have averaged around $8M. I suppose if they are projecting an increase in BTN revenue over the next three years and the delta for Nebraska stays at $10M it could balance itself out. There are other exclusions beyond the BTN. Also, each of the schools integration plans are different and somewhat dependent on exit fees and the revenue of the previous conference. Maryland front loaded their deal and had the most leverage of all the schools. Of course, at the end of the day, all the schools stand to make far more than they would have in their previous conferences.

Edit: It's also possible that the buy-in exceeds the current BTN payouts.

I never said that joining the big ten was a bad idea for these teams, I simply stated that all the teams are not treated equally.

 

[dayooper]

Does it really matter if I went to ND? Most ND fans didn't go to ND, which I see as a good thing.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we?

 

[Irishfan]

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we?

OK, for those who think it does matter, yes, I went to ND, and I have one child who graduated from ND three years ago, and another one who is currently a junior there. But I was a big fan long before I went there, and didn't want to see ND in the big ten before I went there, and I still don't.

 

[itgoeslike]

I never said that joining the big ten was a bad idea for these teams, I simply stated that all the teams are not treated equally.

I wasn't accusing you of anything. In fact, I was responding to someone else's post.

 

[kyleslamb]

Nebraska's shortfall has averaged about $10M while BTN payouts have averaged around $8M. I suppose if they are projecting an increase in BTN revenue over the next three years and the delta for Nebraska stays at $10M it could balance itself out. There are other exclusions beyond the BTN. Also, each of the schools integration plans are different and somewhat dependent on exit fees and the revenue of the previous conference. Maryland front loaded their deal and had the most leverage of all the schools. Of course, at the end of the day, all the schools stand to make far more than they would have in their previous conferences.

Edit: It's also possible that the buy-in exceeds the current BTN payouts.

I worded that a little murky, but yea, the buy-in exceeds the BTN payout which is why they are paying that amount. Technically speaking, all the new schools are receiving a full share of the conference payout, but they're being deducted an amount that would pay off the BTN share buy-in.

So they're receiving all the monies from gate sharing, bowl arrangements, tier-1 rights, men's basketball fund, etc., and then being deducted an amount that suffices the buy-in.

 

[Irishfan]

I wasn't accusing you of anything. In fact, I was responding to someone else's post.

I know, I was using your post to prove the point I was making in an earlier post.

 

[dayooper]

OK, for those who think it does matter, yes, I went to ND, and I have one child who graduated from ND three years ago, and another one who is currently a junior there. But I was a big fan long before I went there, and didn't want to see ND in the big ten before I went there, and I still don't.

It doesn't matter whether you went to ND or not. The whole idea of what Fishy was saying you were trying to twist into a semantic discussion. When people do that , it makes them look like they are in over their head.

For informational purposes, I did not go to Michigan (was accepted and chose to try my hand at college football at a smaller Michigan school).

 

[Kolumbo]

I think it's pretty safe to assume the accuracy of the statement "Most <blank> fans didn't go to <blank>." Except perhaps in the case of Wake. And BC.

 

[DMountcastle]

http://ndsmcobserver.com/2015/01/carson-nd-left-outside-hockey-east/

They don't like being the only team from outside NE in Hockey East and are blaming the refs and bias for their losses. Somewhere Jim Delany is smiling.

Once the Big Ten has UConn we won't need or want ND

 

[Ha Who]

So UConn doesn't want to be in the ACC for the same reason that ND doesn't want to be in the big ten. At what point should UConn get over their treatment by those ACC teams that didn't want them. I'm still not ready to get past the way ND was treated. Maybe some day (but not yet).

If the Irish were locked out of the P5 and the Big was their only option, Swarbick would be in Delaney's office sucking his you know what. To compare UCONN's predicament to Notre Dames feelings is ridiculous

 

[FDNY99]

You want a reason why ND isn't a "fit" in HE? This is from the Hockey East Blog written by Jim Connelly on USCHO.com (http://www.uscho.com/hockey-east-bl...l-woes-for-wildcats-and-stormin-into-the-pot/):
2. A long day, night and day for the Wildcats

Next time you are about to use the cliche “it’s been a long day,” consider what New Hampshire went through on Saturday and Sunday. The Wildcats were on a weekend trip to Notre Dame. After winning Friday night’s game, 5-2, UNH fell to the Irish, 6-4, in Saturday’s series finale. They often say losing the second game of a trip makes for a long ride home. With UNH, they weren’t kidding.

Because a blizzard was about to slam into Chicago, the team wasn’t able to fly out of O’Hare Airport on Sunday as planned. So, instead of spending an extra day or more in the Windy City, UNH chose to bus back. According to Dan Pankhurst, the voice of the Wildcats, the team traveled from South Bend to Buffalo, N.Y., on the first leg. There they changed busses and made their way to around Albany, N.Y., where the team’s usual bus company for local road games met them. The team headed to campus while Pankhurst and a couple of UNH coaches, all of whom had left their cars at Logan Airport, found their way back to Boston.

All tolled, the trip was about 17 hours for the team and about 18 and a half hours from the trio that arrived home via the Logan parking garage. Now that is one very long day(s).



Read more: http://www.uscho.com/hockey-east-bl...dcats-and-stormin-into-the-pot/#ixzz3QXy6sA4D

 

[kyleslamb]

I know, I was using your post to prove the point I was making in an earlier post.

It didn't prove anything, though. As has been explained, not only is it not unequal, but to not do it the way the Big Ten does it would actually be unequal.

 

[Irishfan]

It didn't prove anything, though. As has been explained, not only is it not unequal, but to not do it the way the Big Ten does it would actually be unequal.

I guess it depends on where you stand. Those guys in Nebraska really think they are being treated unfairly. But then, they could probably explain to UConn fans how UConn is being treated fairly, but my guess is the UConn fans might disagree.

 

[Seaa Blue]

I guess it depends on where you stand. Those guys in Nebraska really think they are being treated unfairly. But then, they could probably explain to UConn fans how UConn is being treated fairly, but my guess is the UConn fans might disagree.

If they had been conference champions a year or 2, that would have cured a lot of those ailments.

This is expected when you bring a program on board with high expectations (see Penn State). Can you imagine how it would be with the ND fan base? Not that I wouldn't mostly enjoy it

Nebraska has been underperforming in a conference that has been underperforming. Now that the Big Ten has a national championship in hand I hope we can put that behind us for a while.

 

[Yawkey Way]

I think it's pretty safe to assume the accuracy of the statement "Most <blank> fans didn't go to <blank>." Except perhaps in the case of Wake. And BC.

Not even a 10th of the football fans that go to the BC football games are alums of BC. BC probably has most of its alums not even going to BC sports events, as either they don't follow sports, or they follow the teams in the states or the countries they were born and raised in, and continue to follow those teams once they leave New England after college in perhaps half the BC Alums cases. I would imagine Wake Forest is the same, as they have a large segment of their student body from outside their school's locale of North Carolina.

 

[CL82]

So UConn doesn't want to be in the ACC for the same reason that ND doesn't want to be in the big ten. At what point should UConn get over their treatment by those ACC teams that didn't want them. I'm still not ready to get past the way ND was treated. Maybe some day (but not yet).

No we'd like to be in the ACC but we'd prefer to be in the more stable, more profitable B1G. I'm not sure why that is a hard concept.

Perhaps a graphic will help.

Big12<<<ACC<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<B1G

 

[kyleslamb]

I guess it depends on where you stand. Those guys in Nebraska really think they are being treated unfairly. But then, they could probably explain to UConn fans how UConn is being treated fairly, but my guess is the UConn fans might disagree.

Those guys in Nebraska don't think that at all. The Nebraska administration and university universally love their arrangement, and a lion's share of their fans do too. Sure, you can find a few sour puss fans in every group that probably think, ignorantly as it might be, they are getting screwed; but they are the small minority. Harvey Perlman spoke very matter of factly when they were accepted into the Big Ten that their arrangement to buy into the BTN was only the right thing to do since all the existing members had to do so.