Noticed a change in the Courant's reporting on investigation

[intlzncster]

If it's with players who didn't come here - then what's the connections with the schools they actually went to?

Well, according to the scant bit of info we've got, the unnamed players have gotten immunity on these deals, so I'm not sure the connections with other schools even matters.

 

[Edward Sargent]

Well, according to the scant bit of info we've got, the unnamed players have gotten immunity on these deals, so I'm not sure the connections with other schools even matters.

Sounds like "I was offered $5K from UConn but took $10K to go to $$U".

 

[willie99]

I posted this in another thread but figured it was worthy of its own thread.

Back on Friday, when the NCAA investigation was just coming to light, the Courant put out their article that 100 hours of interviews had been conducted. Here was the original excerpt from their article that I copied and pasted:


So the initial report was that the NCAA had conducted 100 hours of interviews with both current and former people from within the program. The article from Friday has been updated and that excerpt now reads "Sources told The Courant the NCAA has already conducted roughly 100 hours of interviews with individuals potentially involved."

And in their article today, they are reporting that interviews have been conducted for several months, but not necessarily with anybody from within the program: Details of the NCAA inquiry emerged Saturday. It is focused on recruiting, and includes interaction with several players, not necessarily players who came to UConn. The NCAA has been conducting interviews for several months, though it is not clear whether current coaches or staffers have been interviewed yet.

I don't know, but if it's 100 hours of interviews with people from outside UConn, I'm not as concerned with this as I was before.

The more info that comes out, the less concerned I'm becoming

I'd be surprised if Ollie committed recruiting violations to begin with, it's not like we're the program landing multiple top 25 recruits every year. We never have been that program either.

I'm thinking maybe the worst thing we have to worry about is a booster from the dumpster fire crowd taking a few players out to Kahoots for a night and then telling the NCAA about it

 

[HuskyHawk]

I am letting the legal system run its course. Innocent until proven guilty.

If the legal system was involved I would feel much more comfortable. This is like being investigated by Hydra. They have no real rules or limitations on what they do.

 

[pj]

If they're looking at Zach Brown's connection to Boo Willingham, then the issue must be use of UConn's former players to support recruiting. And there was some -- remember quotes from UConn alumni last May that it was an all hands on deck emergency and they were going to help Ollie, then Ray Allen and Emeka Okafor appearing in photos with players we were recruiting?

 

[spudzj6]

If they're looking at Zach Brown's connection to Boo Willingham, then the issue must be use of UConn's former players to support recruiting. And there was some -- remember quotes from UConn alumni last May that it was an all hands on deck emergency and they were going to help Ollie, then Ray Allen and Emeka Okafor appearing in photos with players we were recruiting?

Pics such as this? (NOTE: this was from May 2017) I tried ciphering thru the NCAA rules on past/current players working out with recruits - anyone have specific knowledge of how these things are viewed in the NCAAeyes?

 

[upstater]

Sounds like "I was offered $5K from UConn but took $10K to go to $$U".

$5k is legal.

 

[J187Money]

Not trying to attack you @J187Money I like your posts.

But, can you at least give us something about what he was talking about?

Like, are we talking about paying players or are we talking something minor compared to that?

(You can answer this by saying, based on your source, if we are in deep poo or DEEP poo and we can leave it up to interpretation from there)

The former.

 

[Guapo]

The former.

Thanks dood

 

[pj]

Pics such as this? (NOTE: this was from May 2017) I tried ciphering thru the NCAA rules on past/current players working out with recruits - anyone have specific knowledge of how these things are viewed in the NCAAeyes?

Yes. An ex-player is considered a booster if he "assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.... or been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics." "Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever." "Only institutional staff members are permitted to recruit prospective student-athletes." Role of Boosters

 

[HuskyHawk]

Yes. An ex-player is considered a booster if he "assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.... or been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics." "Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever." "Only institutional staff members are permitted to recruit prospective student-athletes." Role of Boosters

I get it, but it's a dumb rule. The university should be responsible for its hired employees and nobody else.

 

[spudzj6]

Yes. An ex-player is considered a booster if he "assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.... or been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics." "Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever." "Only institutional staff members are permitted to recruit prospective student-athletes." Role of Boosters

Thanks for finding that site. Didn't even think to consider a past player as a "booster". Even tho this could be nothing at all what the NCAA is looking at...I do remember this past summer Patrick Ewing blatantly stating he was going to try and get Allen Iverson to help recruit Tremont Waters...yet no official inquiry into Georgetown that I'm aware of...

 

[StunningSteve]

Just sayin'

The AAC is a major baseball conference.

Baseball > Field Hockey

AAC is markedly better in pretty much every sport and basketball isn’t far off. Add in that the football conference is putting skins on the wall, and the NBE-Catholic Conf is an absurd alt

 

[upstater]

I get it, but it's a dumb rule. The university should be responsible for its hired employees and nobody else.

As long as you're OK with boosters paying players. I don't find anything wrong with that personally, but I would stop watching college sports if that happened. But I don't see anything wrong ethically with it.

I see something wrong with it competitively, however. I stopped watching baseball largely because of the differences in team budgets.

 

[Guapo]

Just sayin'

The AAC is a major baseball conference.

Credit: @dbmill over on the baseball board.

It's not all bad in the UConn AD!

 

[HuskyHawk]

As long as you're OK with boosters paying players. I don't find anything wrong with that personally, but I would stop watching college sports if that happened. But I don't see anything wrong ethically with it.

I see something wrong with it competitively, however. I stopped watching baseball largely because of the differences in team budgets.

Paying them is different from contacting them. It's the contact rules that bother me. This whole amateur status is a sham and we all know it.

 

[CL82]

Paying them is different from contacting them. It's the contact rules that bother me. This whole amateur status is a sham and we all know it.

A guy on the woman's board was inadvertently the cause of a secondary violation when a recruit asked to have a poster he had made about her. That kind of stuff is silly and where the NCAA gets lost in weeds. No show classes? Fine. But bagels with cream cheese? Impermissible benefit.

 

[Storrs South]

A guy on the woman's board was inadvertently the cause of a secondary violation when a recruit asked to have a poster he had made about her. That kind of stuff is silly and where the NCAA gets lost in weeds. No show classes? Fine. But bagels with cream cheese? Impermissible benefit.

While we are here, is it an issue if a current player at UConn requests that I make a highlight video for them? Or was it just because it was a recruit it was a violation?

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

You would think the President of the university would have been apprised of this happening. Instead we have Susan just 3 months ago stating that the UConn program is clean and she knows it inside and out--and she put the onus on the AD!

Is 3 several? 3 is a couple. Not several.

Hmmm, "3 is a couple", or perhaps just a Freudian slip. Typically, 2's still a couple. Several remains more than two people, things, etc. by definition; not an unspecified many nor large number. Unsupported by definition, 3 inexplicably pops up in some views or interpretations of several, e.g., even a particularly wishy-washy attempted contract.

 

[CL82]

While we are here, is it an issue if a current player at UConn requests that I make a highlight video for them? Or was it just because it was a recruit it was a violation?

I'm not an expert on this subject but I'd guess that it is. The general rule of thumb is that if a student athlete (or prospective student athlete) receives something from the school or a booster that is not available to the student body in general, it is an issue. There are very limited exceptions though.

 

[CL82]

Hmmm, "3 is a couple", or perhaps just a Freudian slip. Typically, 2's still a couple. Several remains more than two people, things, etc. by definition; not an unspecified many nor large number. Unsupported by definition, 3 inexplicably pops up in some views or interpretations of several, e.g., even a particularly wishy-washy attempted contract.

CL82 somewhat arbitrary ruling on the matter:

couple - 2
few 3-4
several 4-7
bunch 8-11
dozen 12
baker's dozen 13
a lot 13 -15
a ton >15​

Okay to move on?

 

[8893]

I'm not an expert on this subject but I'd guess that it is. The general rule of thumb is that if a student athlete (or prospective student athlete) receives something from the school or a booster that is not available to the student body in general, it is an issue. There are very limited exceptions though.

See @Storrs South, there's your workaround. Just make highlight videos for all the students. Easy peasy.

 

[CL82]

See @Storrs South, there's your workaround. Just make highlight videos for all the students. Easy peasy.

I can actually think of a better one, but I am reluctant to offer it up given the stakes.

 

[whaler11]

I would contend that the mods here are some of the most fair and reasonable human beings in the United States of America (as it relates to the dynamic subculture of message boards). The 1st Amendment is protected even though each and every day we face that reoccurring "slippery slope" that inevitably has to be addressed.

We as message board posters all wear our monikers with pride and distinction. Obtaining verifiable/credible information is the quintessential example of the "slippery slope" concept. I can attest that message boards (in general) are a true playground sometimes for the informed and inquisitive representing both good and evil (my days at InvestorsHub). Informed in the sense that there are people here with "the goods" for lack of a better phrase. With this knowledge comes great responsibility which tests the true character of a person.

This is probably a good time to take a deep breath and reflect... similar to some of the greatest poker players in the world. Calculating the next move on a message board when holding priceless info can be like walking through an unmarked minefield filled with daisy cutter bombs.

Best Always,
The BDH

First the holocaust. Now this.

 

[WrenchFan69]

While we are here, is it an issue if a current player at UConn requests that I make a highlight video for them? Or was it just because it was a recruit it was a violation?

If it is uploaded by you publicly, I'd say it's fine. Might be worth reaching out to the compliance office though.

 

[J187Money]

CL82 somewhat arbitrary ruling on the matter:

couple - 2
few 3-4
several 4-7
bunch 8-11
dozen 12
baker's dozen 13
a lot 13 -15
a ton >15​

Okay to move on?

Gaggle?

 

[CL82]

Gaggle?

Goose specific.

 

[intlzncster]

While we are here, is it an issue if a current player at UConn requests that I make a highlight video for them? Or was it just because it was a recruit it was a violation?

If it is uploaded by you publicly, I'd say it's fine. Might be worth reaching out to the compliance office though.

Corey Porter does it. Why can't you?

 

[intlzncster]

CL82 somewhat arbitrary ruling on the matter:

couple - 2
few 3-4
several 4-7
bunch 8-11
dozen 12
baker's dozen 13
a lot 13 -15
a ton >15​

Okay to move on?

metric sh it ton.

 

[CL82]

metric sh it ton.

I thought about throwing a shitton in there, but I couldn't decide on a metric for it.