Not that angry about today's loss

[pj]

Temple doesn't suck but they have no passing attack and their defense, though valiant, is shy on talent. It really should be a win 90% of the time. Yet Temple outplayed UConn throughout the second half. It seemed like only a matter of time before they took the lead. Unfortunately the game lasted long enough that they were able to do it. I had a similar feeling in the second half against Maryland, but we made enough plays to pull out the win in that one. Still doesn't make me feel good that the balance of play seems to shift toward the opponent as the game progresses.

 

[BlueMAB]

Starting out 14-0 means the coaches did a great job game planning. We knew how to attack and exploit the defense. Having to settle for 4 field goal attempts the rest of the game means we couldn't adjust to their adjustments. Win or lose, that's an example of poor game day coaching. Having a 4-7 record in games decided by 1 score is a track record of poor game day coaching.

Waylon can choose to take a moral victory, but if you look at the track record of the coaching in close games and their inability to make in game adjustments, there is ample evidence to call for a change to be made at the end of the year.

(If this game was coached by the prior guy rather than the current guy waylon would be first in line to call for his job.)

 

[d1reality]

Both teams are trying to win and Temple doesn't suck. The offense continued to move the ball after Q1, but was done in by terrible kicking.

My problem is that so many posters on this board only see things in terms of awesome or terrible. UConn is deep into the gray area, and teams like UConn are rarely going to dominate. Overall, yesterday was not a terrible performance against a Temple team that is 50/50 going to have a winning record in the Big East. UConn should have won that game, as it should have beat WMU and NC State. WMU had a pro prospect at QB when UConn played them and NC State beat FSU. UConn is 12 points away from 6-1. To claim that the team is terrible just reeks of utter ignorance.

UConn isn't getting its doors blown off, it is having trouble pulling out close games against other programs among the 26th to 75th best programs in the country. If you can't tell the difference between UConn and a terrible program, you should stop posting on football.

Or put another way, Uconn is 10 points away from being 1-6 ...so let's just say Uconn is 3-4 and just lost at home to Temple

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Starting out 14-0 means the coaches did a great job game planning. We knew how to attack and exploit the defense. Having to settle for 4 field goal attempts the rest of the game means we couldn't adjust to their adjustments. Win or lose, that's an example of poor game day coaching. Having a 4-7 record in games decided by 1 score is a track record of poor game day coaching.

Waylon can choose to take a moral victory, but if you look at the track record of the coaching in close games and their inability to make in game adjustments, there is ample evidence to call for a change to be made at the end of the year.

(If this game was coached by the prior guy rather than the current guy waylon would be first in line to call for his job.)

I am not taking a moral victory. I am pointing out that many of our fans are idiots when they say the team and staff sucks.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I am not taking a moral victory. I am pointing out that many of our fans are idiots when they say the team and staff sucks.

So we're the idiots for saying that a team coming off a 5-7 season, that is currently 3-4, with losses to Western Michigan and Temple, and 7 point home win vs. Buffalo sucks? Just checking.

 

[BlueMAB]

I am not taking a moral victory. I am pointing out that many of our fans are idiots when they say the team and staff sucks.

Since most of the vitriol is saved for GDL and P indirectly, I think you're an idiot who is intentionally misrepresenting people's opinions. But that's just you being you.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

So we're the idiots for saying that a team coming off a 5-7 season, that is currently 3-4, with losses to Western Michigan and Temple, and 7 point home win vs. Buffalo sucks? Just checking.

Yep, just like the same fans are using the fact that UConn went to a BCS game in 2010 is evidence that the program had reached some pinnacle of greatness. That was a very mediocre team that finished tied for first in the worst BCS conference in history, and only finished tied for first because Bill Stewart handed UConn the single worst coached game I have ever seen. BTW, that UConn team lost to a Temple team by 2 TD's that is no where near as good as this year's edition of the same program.

Wins and losses are ultimately all that matter, but the "why" of the wins and losses is important for determining the right direction for the program. Or you could just say "this team sucks".

 

[noeynox]

Yep, just like the same fans are using the fact that UConn went to a BCS game in 2010 is evidence that the program had reached some pinnacle of greatness. That was a very mediocre team that finished tied for first in the worst BCS conference in history, and only finished tied for first because Bill Stewart handed UConn the single worst coached game I have ever seen. BTW, that UConn team lost to a Temple team by 2 TD's that is no where near as good as this year's edition of the same program.

Wins and losses are ultimately all that matter, but the "why" of the wins and losses is important for determining the right direction for the program. Or you could just say "this team sucks".

Totally agree with your post, but would you bring P and D back? Do you think P will part ways with D? I believe his insistence on having him on his staff is going to hurt his chances, and as much as I think it would be unfair to let him go before the players he recruited see the field, I fear that season tickets will take a serious hit. There is A LOT of grumblings in the stands about the coaching.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Yep, just like the same fans are using the fact that UConn went to a BCS game in 2010 is evidence that the program had reached some pinnacle of greatness. That was a very mediocre team that finished tied for first in the worst BCS conference in history, and only finished tied for first because Bill Stewart handed UConn the single worst coached game I have ever seen. BTW, that UConn team lost to a Temple team by 2 TD's that is no where near as good as this year's edition of the same program.

Wins and losses are ultimately all that matter, but the "why" of the wins and losses is important for determining the right direction for the program. Or you could just say "this team sucks".

Yup.

We suck.

THe only question is what's going to be done about it.

Trying to rationalize somehow that we don't suck? That went out the window with the 14 point lead that turned into a 17-14 OT loss to Temple on our home field.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Totally agree with your post, but would you bring P and D back? Do you think P will part ways with D? I believe his insistence on having him on his staff is going to hurt his chances, and as much as I think it would be unfair to let him go before the players he recruited see the field, I fear that season tickets will take a serious hit. There is A LOT of grumblings in the stands about the coaching.

This thread contains the only remotely positive post I have ever made about Deleone, because I think he didn't call an awful game against Temple. Otherwise, I think every aspect of his coaching is an anachronism.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Yep, just like the same fans are using the fact that UConn went to a BCS game in 2010 is evidence that the program had reached some pinnacle of greatness. That was a very mediocre team that finished tied for first in the worst BCS conference in history, and only finished tied for first because Bill Stewart handed UConn the single worst coached game I have ever seen. BTW, that UConn team lost to a Temple team by 2 TD's that is no where near as good as this year's edition of the same program.

Wins and losses are ultimately all that matter, but the "why" of the wins and losses is important for determining the right direction for the program. Or you could just say "this team sucks".

I don't think anyone points to the BCS Bowl appearance and says, well that's it, we've reached the mountain top. I agree, that team wasn't very good. It got hot and won some key home games. Winning the conference is still a great accomplishment in my book, but doesn't make you a world beater, obviously.

I agree with you that the "why of the wins and losses" is critical as well in evaluating the team/season. For my money, the best UConn team, by far, was the 2009 team that won the Papa John's Bowl. I felt like that team could have stepped on the field with the majority of the Top 25 and given them a game. Yet all that being said, we finished 8-5 (3-4).

The past two years the teams/program are going in the wrong direction. Aside from the defense in the majority of the games this season and the offense in short bursts here and there, these two teams are significantly worse than anything we've seen since 2006. I really don't see how you can look at this team and think otherwise.

The only glimmer of hope for the rest of this season is to continue to monitor Whitmer's progress as I do think he can be decent for UConn in the next two seasons.

 

[pj]

Carl, the reason we suck is that we haven't settled on an offensive identity that makes good use of what playmakers we have, and consistently practiced that identity for 3 months.

They should have figured out their identity in spring ball and been practicing it continually since August.

There's no way to get lost time back. But what we can do is settle on an identity and develop it. That starts today.

I think 6-6 is probably out of reach but there's still time for P to give the fans hope.

I say P, not GDL, because DeLeone may be constitutionally incapable of sticking to a single strategic plan, unless that plan involves running 60% of the time.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Carl, the reason we suck is that we haven't settled on an offensive identity that makes good use of what playmakers we have, and consistently practiced that identity for 3 months.

They should have figured out their identity in spring ball and been practicing it continually since August.

There's no way to get lost time back. But what we can do is settle on an identity and develop it. That starts today.

I think 6-6 is probably out of reach but there's still time for P to give the fans hope.

I say P, not GDL, because DeLeone may be constitutionally incapable of sticking to a single strategic plan, unless that plan involves running 60% of the time.

Preaching to the choir, if you're talking to me....not telling me anything I don't already see......hopefully other people are getting it.

 

[Jimdish255]

Carl, the reason we suck is that we haven't settled on an offensive identity that makes good use of what playmakers we have, and consistently practiced that identity for 3 months.

They should have figured out their identity in spring ball and been practicing it continually since August.

There's no way to get lost time back. But what we can do is settle on an identity and develop it. That starts today.

I think 6-6 is probably out of reach but there's still time for P to give the fans hope.

I say P, not GDL, because DeLeone may be constitutionally incapable of sticking to a single strategic plan, unless that plan involves running 60% of the time.

You make some good points and this is the scenario that I really want to believe can salvage some hope for the future. The other likely scenario is that Dr Feelgood was working this weekend and you and Nelson got the first shipment.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You make some good points and this is the scenario that I really want to believe can salvage some hope for the future. The other likely scenario is that Dr Feelgood was working this weekend and you and Nelson got the first shipment.

What is it like to live in a world where there is only black and white?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't think anyone points to the BCS Bowl appearance and says, well that's it, we've reached the mountain top. I agree, that team wasn't very good. It got hot and won some key home games. Winning the conference is still a great accomplishment in my book, but doesn't make you a world beater, obviously.

I agree with you that the "why of the wins and losses" is critical as well in evaluating the team/season. For my money, the best UConn team, by far, was the 2009 team that won the Papa John's Bowl. I felt like that team could have stepped on the field with the majority of the Top 25 and given them a game. Yet all that being said, we finished 8-5 (3-4).

The past two years the teams/program are going in the wrong direction. Aside from the defense in the majority of the games this season and the offense in short bursts here and there, these two teams are significantly worse than anything we've seen since 2006. I really don't see how you can look at this team and think otherwise.

The only glimmer of hope for the rest of this season is to continue to monitor Whitmer's progress as I do think he can be decent for UConn in the next two seasons.

I agree on the 2009 team. That team was really, really good, and got snakebit a few times and was also the victim of bad coaching on several occasions. It also was playing in a very good Big East.

I think the program has flatlined since Orlovsky left, with a couple of blips like 2007 and 2009 where an individual team was a little better than average. UConn has a losing record in Big East play, and only Syracuse has a worse Big East record since 2005. UConn has not shown any meaningful improvement as a program since 2003. Edsall made the program competitive fairly quickly, and then tread water for the next 7 years.

Putting this team's performance in that perspective, what is the plan? Pasqualoni is a worse game coach than Edsall, but likely a better recruiter. We won't see the benefit of the latter until we have suffered through the former. Most likely, we are seeing a simply normal variance around a mean that no one is particularly happy with.

 

[Adios]

nelsonmuntz...P and GD suck. You have to be kidding. We lost at home to freaking Temple, to WMU on the road and at home, Vanderbilt on the road and Iowa State at home and those coaches don't suck? These are amongst the worst possible FBS programs we can lose to. All within a year and a half. With Edsall, we'd have won at least two or three of those games. No one directly associated with the program takes this loss lightly.

Personally, I have no need to go nuts. I leave that to the professionals. They'll dictate what we are, after all. It sucks that we might be stuck with another season of Pasqualoni. Our next step to evolve as a program (after firing P) is start beating top 25 programs.

As for our record in the Big East, maybe the Big East is better than people have been thinking. The Big East does have a winning record against the SEC in the BCS era. We have a better bowl record than the ACC too, right? Would have been nice if we beat Wake Forest in the Car Care Bowl. They had a better QB than we did. If we can land solid QB and WRs, we are good to go. We've proven we can play defense and run the ball.

 

[whaler11]

If Edsall's last four years with 33 wins and a winning Big East record were neither 'improvement' over 04-06 or merely treading water over 7 years than what is 8-11 headed towards 9-15? Random variance around a mean - LOL.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

This is what it's come to? Not being that angry over a home loss to Temple?

Sadly yes. This is what happens when a program hires a retread. This was the signature move that screamed that UConn had flown close enough to the sun and was willing to slow the pace down. Pasqualoni should do the honorable thing (if he cares at all about the program) and resign. This afternoon would be good.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If Edsall's last four years with 33 wins and a winning Big East record were neither 'improvement' over 04-06 or merely treading water over 7 years than what is 8-11 headed towards 9-15? Random variance around a mean - LOL.

Why do only the last 4 count? What's wrong with his entire Big East track record? He had two winning seasons in the Big East, and one of those years the Big East went 3-12 in non-conference games against BCS competition.

He left the program with no FBS caliber QB or RB, mediocre WR's and no depth at offensive line. The cupboard wasn't quite bare, but there weren't too many unopened boxes either.

And of course this genius coach of yours lost his only head to head matchup against the coach you want to fire.

Pasqualoni has not done a good job, but the claims that the program was in great shape when he took over are idiotic.

 

[ZooCougar]

The program wasn't in terrible shape, but it was in definite need of another hard charger to exceed our momentum at the time. The last thing we needed was a caretaker.

 

[noeynox]

We have taken a step back, but not enough is made of the fact that the best qb was left with was a very limited walk on. That doesn't however account for some of the terrible coaching we've seen this year, but winning five last year was a minor accomplishment.

 

[SubbaBub]

Yep, just like the same fans are using the fact that UConn went to a BCS game in 2010 is evidence that the program had reached some pinnacle of greatness. That was a very mediocre team that finished tied for first in the worst BCS conference in history, and only finished tied for first because Bill Stewart handed UConn the single worst coached game I have ever seen. BTW, that UConn team lost to a Temple team by 2 TD's that is no where near as good as this year's edition of the same program.

Wins and losses are ultimately all that matter, but the "why" of the wins and losses is important for determining the right direction for the program. Or you could just say "this team sucks".

2010 was a 10-11 win quality team the gakked three games to the worst two teams in teams in the BE and a MAC also ran. If they played Michigan later in the season after everyone saw Denard a few more times, they could have won that game as well. 8-5 or not, as a whole that was the best Uconn FB team to date.

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[nelsonmuntz]

2010 was a 10-11 win quality team the gakked three games to the worst two teams in teams in the BE and a MAC also ran. If they played Michigan later in the season after everyone saw Denard a few more times, they could have won that game as well. 8-5 or not, as a whole that was the best Uconn FB team to date.

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UConn got their doors blown off by a Louisville team that was starting something like 8 freshmen. Temple won by 2 Td's. Bill Stewart completely crapped himself on national TV. WVU fumbled FIVE handoffs that game, and the game winning play was when a WVU pulling guard crashed into Smith as he was handing off to Devine. I may never see a major program play as poorly coached a game as that WVU team did that night against UConn. Both of the other co-champions fired their head coach after that year. UConn needed a punt return and defensive TD to make the game against Oklahoma look remotely competitive. In any other year, that UConn team has no chance of winning the Big East.

 

[whaler11]

Why do only the last 4 count? What's wrong with his entire Big East track record? He had two winning seasons in the Big East, and one of those years the Big East went 3-12 in non-conference games against BCS competition.

He left the program with no FBS caliber QB or RB, mediocre WR's and no depth at offensive line. The cupboard wasn't quite bare, but there weren't too many unopened boxes either.

And of course this genius coach of yours lost his only head to head matchup against the coach you want to fire.

Pasqualoni has not done a good job, but the claims that the program was in great shape when he took over are idiotic.

The last four count because you said they didn't improve after 2003. By admitting the last four were better you prove your own point incorrect and idiotic.

Can you go two posts without contradicting yourself?

I hate UConn according to you, but here you are trashing the accomplishments of 2003-2010. But I'm the one who hates UConn. Right.

 

[jdb50]

With GDL's track record why would we expect to be anywhere but where we are? That's on the people who gave him the keys. Comparing last year to this year- we lost 2 D-tackles, our starting wideouts, 2 o-lineman and our kicker. We have replaced the D-tackles quite well which is saying something as they were excellent. The wideouts I feel have come out the same with maybe an advantage to this years group. We are missing a deep threat like Kashif. It seeems Davis stops running full speed on his deep routes. But these guys are catching the ball more often. The QB play is better at this time. The O-line has gone backwards. The kicker is now a question mark. So we sit here with the same record as last year. Look forward to next year and that is when it gets really serious. Both tightends (no one else really plays), 2 O-lineman, 6 defensive starters. We lose more with this years graduating class and the schedule will be tougher. Standing pat is going to is going to suck the life out of this program.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The last four count because you said they didn't improve after 2003. By admitting the last four were better you prove your own point incorrect and idiotic.

Can you go two posts without contradicting yourself?

I hate UConn according to you, but here you are trashing the accomplishments of 2003-2010. But I'm the one who hates UConn. Right.

Why not the last 3 years? UConn went 11-10 in the Big East over that stretch, with 5 of the wins coming against a putrid 2010 league. Look at the roster Pasqualoni inherited. UConn started a walk on, and this year went to a JUCO that could not start for Ron Zook, who is still probably the best QB UConn has had since Orlovsky. There is no depth on the line or at the skill positions, and UConn has lost 2 starting defensive linemen.

I don't like the way Pasqualoni is losing, because I think the offense is not maximizing its talent, but let's not argue that the program was in good shape. Edsall knew what he was doing when he left.

 

[CL82]

This is what it's come to? Not being that angry over a home loss to Temple?

Couldn't bring myself to like this, but the but observation is valid. Expectations and enthusiasm for the program are dropping.

 

[whaler11]

Why do you hate UConn so much? Sorry the evidence continues to accumulate that Edsall did a good job here - it's telling that your reaction to it isn't a simple admission of this reality but rather you have doubled down on vitriol and spin.

 

[mattp]

Why do you hate UConn so much? Sorry the evidence continues to accumulate that Edsall did a good job here - it's telling that your reaction to it isn't a simple admission of this reality but rather you have doubled down on vitriol and spin.

What do you expect from a guy that predicted 2 wins for us in 2010, and because we ended up in the Fiesta Bowl he has decided to completely discount all of our BE wins from that year. By Nelson's math we've actually improved under Pasqualoni.