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Not a Top 5 Team - So What Are We?

I think it is too earl to tell if we are B or C or D
But anyone who thinks we are playing as well in the past 5 games (outside of shots dropping) is wrong.
We have the same problems (Sanogo not passing, being weak at PG) but the intensity is not there. We overwhelmed people the first 10 games, on offense and defense. Lately we are lucky to do that for 3 minutes

I hope they correct it and we return to being a powerhouse and not like a bubble team.
 
It’s pretty obvious. Team have adjusted to defending Sanago inside. Foul leg and triple coverage. We aren’t penetrating inside and settle for threes. Ex. Defenses are playing soft on the perimeter with certain UConn guards on the threes . We have the talent to go inside we aren’t taking advantage
So they did not make the open 3s. The coach can’t shoot for players. The coach can’t make players make the correct decision.

The design is fine. Where Hurley fails is I don’t like his reliance on Newton, and his demeanor hurts the Huskies.
 
So they did not make the open 3s. The coach can’t shoot for players. The coach can’t make players make the correct decision.

The design is fine. Where Hurley fails is I don’t like his reliance on Newton, and his demeanor hurts the Huskies.
Thats possible agree but I don’t see the adjustment. Going to the hoop isn’t hard. It will free up Sonoga. The player can’t be that slow not to understand this basic concept
 
So they did not make the open 3s. The coach can’t shoot for players. The coach can’t make players make the correct decision.

The design is fine. Where Hurley fails is I don’t like his reliance on Newton, and his demeanor hurts the Huskies.
The design is flawed when you don’t adjust to what the defense throws at you. Calhoun was a master at adjusting coming out of halftime.
 
Agree Dan Hurley needs to chill during games his theatrics get old
 
Sadly, we are looking a lot like a #15-20-ish team that got hot early, overperformed in a few high-profile games, and has since gotten exposed.

The only good news is we have 2 months to adjust and give us a chance at getting back to the special season we thought we were having 2 weeks ago.
 
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Sadly, we are looking a lot like a #15-20-ish team that got hot early, overperformed in a few high-profile games, and has since gotten exposed.

The only good news is we have 2 months to adjust and give us a chance at getting back to the special season we thought we were having 2 weeks ago.
Agreeed, which might seem disappointing but really doesn't change the expectations of making a Sweet 16
 
Sadly, we are looking a lot like a #15-20-ish team that got hot early, overperformed in a few high-profile games, and has since gotten exposed.

The only good news is we have 2 months to adjust and give us a chance at getting back to the special season we thought we were having 2 weeks ago.
If we don’t miraculously sprout up a quality PG in those two months, i’m not super confident.
 
We are playing like a competitive top 25-30 team but going 1-3 in the last four Is very concerning. We have the talent of a top 5-10 team which is now being frittered away as the pressure mounts. Getting out played, out hustled. Our O has devolved into a mess. There is no team identity. A lot of this has to be layed at the feet their fearless leader.
 
We are playing like a competitive top 25-30 team but going 1-3 in the last four Is very concerning. We have the talent of a top 5-10 team which is now being frittered away as the pressure mounts. Getting out played, out hustled. Our O has devolved into a mess. There is no team identity. A lot of this has to be layed at the feet their fearless leader.
#VeryConcerning
 
Very concerning. This is a type of team that gets upset in the first round of tourney. No go to players and no one that can create their own shot.
 
A couple thoughts.

We are overrating our talent a little bit. Our shooting percentages other than our two bigs aren’t very good at all and we’re about at the midway point. Sanogo is certainly as skilled on the low block as anyone we’ve ever had when he’s isolated one on one, and Hawkins is as dangerous a scorer as there is in CBB when he gets some space. But Sanogo isn’t guaranteed to get isolated one on one, and Hawkins isn’t guaranteed to get any space. Other that that, it feels like we have limited offensive talent - guys who have to scrap, are limited to a role of just knocking down wide open looks, or who are 7-foot-2. Was hoping Newton could be that get a bucket or make a play guy, like RJ was last year, but that hasn’t happened and at this point, I’m not sure it will.

The thing about the Alabama and Iowa State wins isn’t even so much the scouting report as the lack of practice time. At those tournaments, you have no prep time between games and basically just do a short walk through to go over strategy and then roll out the balls and play. In the rest of the regular season, you have a full practice to implement a game plan going full speed and the walk through reinforces those things at slow speed. Both teams are in the same boat, of course, but those tournament games don’t always give you full insight as to what might happen with time to really get a game plan in place. By March, you play conference teams super familiar with you and then teams that have been scouting you for five days (even if you advance to the Round of 32, an assistant has been doing deep dives into you for five days while the rest of the staff was working on the opening round).

In order to get back to a legit contender, the team has to have its late-game identity. Winning big was a good problem, but it never forced us to develop our late game pecking order of options, and we’ve been perfectly dreadful the last two games. A year ago, it was a lot of Cole and Tyrese in iso/high screen situations, Sanogo postups, and Polley looking for catch and shoots. They had an idea what they wanted to do - maybe they didn’t always succeed, but they had a checklist of options. Tight games, this team has been night at the improv, often regressing to AJ threes or Hawkins forcing something.

We have to ask ourselves - tie game, two minutes left: what are we good at? What’s our bread and butter? Is it Hawkins running around like Rip and getting him quick trigger looks? Ball movement and good decision making from multiple players? Attacking the basket and crashing the boards? Playing our best defensive team and scrapping for points? Our plan can’t be to just dump it into Sanogo, since that’s too easy to take away - we can’t spread the floor with four shooters around him so he’ll always see a double.

Somebody has to take a step forward. Can Hawkins be force fed and evolve as a multi-dimensional scorer a little more? Can Newton become more competent with the ball in his hands and make plays late in the shot clock? Can Jackson do something offensively off the dribble when teams play him to pass? Could maybe Karaban or Alleyne add another layer to their offense and have the ball more?

There’s hope for at least one of those things to happen. In our last two two titles, we saw Lamb and Daniels take a big leap at the right time of year - Lamb became a go-to scorer in his own right, and Daniels became a guy who could make iso fadeaways, adding another layer to our offense. In ‘04, Ben was certainly established but became even better when forced to handle more burden with Okafor out. The ‘99 team didn’t really have a surprise leap (other than the short term surprise of Ricky’s 13) but had been playing together for two years (three for most of them with El-Amin added) and their strength was cohesion at both ends.

As we stand now, i don’t think we’re good enough. But the key is to not stand as we are now and evolve forward in some capacity.
This is so spot on and exactly how I feel.
 
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We are playing like a competitive top 25-30 team but going 1-3 in the last four Is very concerning. We have the talent of a top 5-10 team which is now being frittered away as the pressure mounts. Getting out played, out hustled. Our O has devolved into a mess. There is no team identity. A lot of this has to be layed at the feet their fearless leader.
Actually our defense has been the problem, and our offense is spurred by defense many times. We’ve been getting scored on at close and midrange badly. They drive and they make, we don’t. That’s a reflection of our guard deficiencies also. If Clingan wasn’t in that game last night to stop their offense we lose by 20.
 
Actually our defense has been the problem, and our offense is spurred by defense many times. We’ve been getting scored on at close and midrange badly. They drive and they make, we don’t. That’s a reflection of our guard deficiencies also. If Clingan wasn’t in that game last night to stop their offense we lose by 20.
Agreed defense has dropped off. Also agree with previous post about our "late game identity" we dont seem to know yet. I also was wondering why Hurley isnt pressing more? I noticed in Creighton game they pressed and Creighton had major trouble with it. You would think with the amount of depth/bodies we have that we can throw at teams we'd be pressing all game with the hopes to wear teams down. UConn is legitimately 10 deep maybe more and we need to start utilizing that depth IMO.
 
Well, the talent is there to be a top 5 team. Us fans tend to look at our team more critically and gloss over shortcomings on other top teams.

But, it's clear coaching staffs have this team's early season tape and have made adjustments. Now, UConn's coaches have to figure out the counter to the counter.
Move Joey C to the starting lineup. Sit Newton or at least get Joey in sooner and let him play longer. Hawkins, C and Karaban outside as three-point threats all over the floor will free up Sanogo or Clingan inside.
 
Well, the talent is there to be a top 5 team. Us fans tend to look at our team more critically and gloss over shortcomings on other top teams.

But, it's clear coaching staffs have this team's early season tape and have made adjustments. Now, UConn's coaches have to figure out the counter to the counter.
Is the talent there? With the rotating centers, Hawkins and Jackson it would seem to be partly there but that is only three top players at a time and Hawkins has been showing he can be neutralized. Also, the defense the team faced last night is better than theirs.
 
Heading into last week there was a hope and expectation that this truly was a special team, a Dream Season-like renaissance under Hurley that would catapult us back to permanent national relevance.

After Xavier I posed the question of whether this was:
A) a blip, we'd snap back to dominance and stay top 5 and #1-seed worthy wire to wire
B) a concerning trend (including mediocre performances in wins over Georgetown and Nova), but one we should recover from to still be top 10-ish and #2/3 seed
C) a reality check, that we played over our heads, caught teams off-guard, and peaked super early against some potentially overrated opponents (and looked better than we were by pushing leads from 10 to 20 in garbage time), but now we've been figured out and we're really the #15-25 type team people thought preseason

After last night, we can kiss A goodbye.

The good news is, by frontloading our dominant stretch, we're going to stay in the national conversation for at least a little while longer and maintain some buzz around the program. But that will wear off if we're looking like a clear #3 or worse in our own conference (sick to my stomach but feeling like a genius for putting a few bucks on Providence at 30:1 to win the BE and more on Xavier at 3.5:1).

So are we going to be B (a conference title and Final Four contender) or C (ranked but not really a threat in big games) ?
If we keep this up we will end up a 5 seed
 
This is so spot on and exactly how I feel.
Compare Boatright and Napier with the current situation and it is easy to explain what has been happening. I think Hawk is a really good player, but unfortunately, not Rip Hamilton. He does run around, but can't get free and seems to be easily bullied out of his game.
 
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If we keep this up we will end up a 5 seed
No expert but it feels like we are about a 15-18, close to the teams that beat us. Against lesser competition we look like a 5.
 
Until proven otherwise we’re decidedly (C) - it’s not just the two losses but the overall trend since Butler. I think there’s something to the fact that we exceeded expectations against inferior opponents or P5 teams that aren’t quite top-tier and had no good scouting data.

The Big East is full of really good coaches who will know how to give UConn fits now and it’s going to be on our coaching staff to start making adjustments quickly.
LOL
 
This might be one of the wildest in-season rise and falls of any college basketball team in recent times. Maybe ever.

Insane how good the team looked in the first 14 games of the year absolutely deserving of the Top 5 rankings and now they look completely lost in conference play.
 
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This might be one of the wildest rise and falls of any college basketball team in recent times. Maybe ever.

Insane how good the team looked in the first 14 games of the year absolutely deserving of the Top 5 rankings and now they look completely lost conference play.
It's the tale of two seasons. I don't get it. There literally is ZERO explanation for this. Good thing we already signed Castle.
 
It's the tale of two seasons. I don't get it. There literally is ZERO explanation for this. Good thing we already signed Castle.
They look worn down, and it’s way too early for that.
 
They look worn down, and it’s way too early for that.
Unranked? How is that not coming this week? Seton Hall was 11-8. Duke even dropped out of the Top 25. At this rate, we should be happy with beating DePaul. (I'm over exaggerating in anger)
 
The worst part is...
I have seen what this team can be, so I hold out hope that they'll get it back... and keep watching disappointment after disappointment
 
Heading into last week there was a hope and expectation that this truly was a special team, a Dream Season-like renaissance under Hurley that would catapult us back to permanent national relevance.

After Xavier I posed the question of whether this was:
A) a blip, we'd snap back to dominance and stay top 5 and #1-seed worthy wire to wire
B) a concerning trend (including mediocre performances in wins over Georgetown and Nova), but one we should recover from to still be top 10-ish and #2/3 seed
C) a reality check, that we played over our heads, caught teams off-guard, and peaked super early against some potentially overrated opponents (and looked better than we were by pushing leads from 10 to 20 in garbage time), but now we've been figured out and we're really the #15-25 type team people thought preseason

After last night, we can kiss A goodbye.

The good news is, by frontloading our dominant stretch, we're going to stay in the national conversation for at least a little while longer and maintain some buzz around the program. But that will wear off if we're looking like a clear #3 or worse in our own conference (sick to my stomach but feeling like a genius for putting a few bucks on Providence at 30:1 to win the BE and more on Xavier at 3.5:1).

So are we going to be B (a conference title and Final Four contender) or C (ranked but not really a threat in big games) ?
Not a top 25 team either.
 
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