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My main concern is DH still being outcoached in close games in the last 5 minutes.
What does outcoached mean?

ATO play? Is it rotations?

Defense late or offense?

Or is it that guy hits a shot. Coach did good. If guy misses an open shot, coach did bad?

Here is truth about coaching. There is no play design that works. The games are won by the players who take the play design, and read the options correctly. You want to create plays with multiple options. Players on and off ball the ball to have to make correct read.

You can design a one-time hit to get Hawkins a shot. Such as those elevator screens. But, all these coaches know every play and how to defend first option.
 
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I agree. Historically, a 3 game losing streak isn't a usually good thing for UConn. In the last 30 years, these are the only UConn teams with a 3+ game losing streak during the season:

1992-93 (15-13)
1996-97 (18-15)
2000-01 (20-12)
2006-07 (17-14)
2009-10 (18-16)
2011-12 (20-14)
2012-13 (20-10)
2014-15 (20-15)
2016-17 (16-17)
2017-18 (14-18)
2018-19 (16-17)
2019-20 (19-12)

5 NIT teams, 1 NCAA team, and 4 teams that missed the tourney altogether.
And 4 NCs in the same timeframe. Which one will we be?
 
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Based on our record, this is still one of the 3 best teams in the country up to this point in the season.
 
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A couple thoughts.

We are overrating our talent a little bit. Our shooting percentages other than our two bigs aren’t very good at all and we’re about at the midway point. Sanogo is certainly as skilled on the low block as anyone we’ve ever had when he’s isolated one on one, and Hawkins is as dangerous a scorer as there is in CBB when he gets some space. But Sanogo isn’t guaranteed to get isolated one on one, and Hawkins isn’t guaranteed to get any space. Other that that, it feels like we have limited offensive talent - guys who have to scrap, are limited to a role of just knocking down wide open looks, or who are 7-foot-2. Was hoping Newton could be that get a bucket or make a play guy, like RJ was last year, but that hasn’t happened and at this point, I’m not sure it will.

The thing about the Alabama and Iowa State wins isn’t even so much the scouting report as the lack of practice time. At those tournaments, you have no prep time between games and basically just do a short walk through to go over strategy and then roll out the balls and play. In the rest of the regular season, you have a full practice to implement a game plan going full speed and the walk through reinforces those things at slow speed. Both teams are in the same boat, of course, but those tournament games don’t always give you full insight as to what might happen with time to really get a game plan in place. By March, you play conference teams super familiar with you and then teams that have been scouting you for five days (even if you advance to the Round of 32, an assistant has been doing deep dives into you for five days while the rest of the staff was working on the opening round).

In order to get back to a legit contender, the team has to have its late-game identity. Winning big was a good problem, but it never forced us to develop our late game pecking order of options, and we’ve been perfectly dreadful the last two games. A year ago, it was a lot of Cole and Tyrese in iso/high screen situations, Sanogo postups, and Polley looking for catch and shoots. They had an idea what they wanted to do - maybe they didn’t always succeed, but they had a checklist of options. Tight games, this team has been night at the improv, often regressing to AJ threes or Hawkins forcing something.

We have to ask ourselves - tie game, two minutes left: what are we good at? What’s our bread and butter? Is it Hawkins running around like Rip and getting him quick trigger looks? Ball movement and good decision making from multiple players? Attacking the basket and crashing the boards? Playing our best defensive team and scrapping for points? Our plan can’t be to just dump it into Sanogo, since that’s too easy to take away - we can’t spread the floor with four shooters around him so he’ll always see a double.

Somebody has to take a step forward. Can Hawkins be force fed and evolve as a multi-dimensional scorer a little more? Can Newton become more competent with the ball in his hands and make plays late in the shot clock? Can Jackson do something offensively off the dribble when teams play him to pass? Could maybe Karaban or Alleyne add another layer to their offense and have the ball more?

There’s hope for at least one of those things to happen. In our last two two titles, we saw Lamb and Daniels take a big leap at the right time of year - Lamb became a go-to scorer in his own right, and Daniels became a guy who could make iso fadeaways, adding another layer to our offense. In ‘04, Ben was certainly established but became even better when forced to handle more burden with Okafor out. The ‘99 team didn’t really have a surprise leap (other than the short term surprise of Ricky’s 13) but had been playing together for two years (three for most of them with El-Amin added) and their strength was cohesion at both ends.

As we stand now, i don’t think we’re good enough. But the key is to not stand as we are now and evolve forward in some capacity.
 
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A couple thoughts.

We are overrating our talent a little bit. Our shooting percentages other than our two bigs aren’t very good at all and we’re about at the midway point. Sanogo is certainly as skilled on the low block as anyone we’ve ever had when he’s isolated one on one, and Hawkins is as dangerous a scorer as there is in CBB when he gets some space. But Sanogo isn’t guaranteed to get isolated one on one, and Hawkins isn’t guaranteed to get any space. Other that that, it feels like we have limited offensive talent - guys who have to scrap, are limited to a role of just knocking down wide open looks, or who are 7-foot-2. Was hoping Newton could be that get a bucket or make a play guy, like RJ was last year, but that hasn’t happened and at this point, I’m not sure it will.

The thing about the Alabama and Iowa State wins isn’t even so much the scouting report as the lack of practice time. At those tournaments, you have no prep time between games and basically just do a short walk through to go over strategy and then roll out the balls and play. In the rest of the regular season, you have a full practice to implement a game plan going full speed and the walk through reinforces those things at slow speed. Both teams are in the same boat, of course, but those tournament games don’t always give you full insight as to what might happen with time to really get a game plan in place. By March, you play conference teams super familiar with you and then teams that have been scouting you for five days (even if you advance to the Round of 32, an assistant has been doing deep dives into you for five days while the rest of the staff was working on the opening round).

In order to get back to a legit contender, the team has to have its late-game identity. Winning big was a good problem, but it never forced us to develop our late game pecking order of options, and we’ve been perfectly dreadful the last two games. A year ago, it was a lot of Cole and Tyrese in iso/high screen situations, Sanogo postups, and Polley looking for catch and shoots. They had an idea what they wanted to do - maybe they didn’t always succeed, but they had a checklist of options. Tight games, this team has been night at the improv, often regressing to AJ threes or Hawkins forcing something.

We have to ask ourselves - tie game, two minutes left: what are we good at? What’s our bread and butter? Is it Hawkins running around like Rip and getting him quick trigger looks? Ball movement and good decision making from multiple players? Attacking the basket and crashing the boards? Playing our best defensive team and scrapping for points? Our plan can’t be to just dump it into Sanogo, since that’s too easy to take away - we can’t spread the floor with four shooters around him so he’ll always see a double.

Somebody has to take a step forward. Can Hawkins be force fed and evolve as a multi-dimensional scorer a little more? Can Newton become more competent with the ball in his hands and make plays late in the shot clock? Can Jackson do something offensively off the dribble when teams play him to pass? Could maybe Karaban or Alleyne add another layer to their offense and have the ball more?

There’s hope for at least one of those things to happen. In our last two two titles, we saw Lamb and Daniels take a big leap at the right time of year - Lamb became a go-to scorer in his own right, and Daniels became a guy who could make iso fadeaways, adding another layer to our offense. In ‘04, Ben was certainly established but became even better when forced to handle more burden with Okafor out. The ‘99 team didn’t really have a surprise leap (other than the short term surprise of Ricky’s 13) but had been playing together for two years (three for most of them with El-Amin added) and their strength was cohesion at both ends.

As we stand now, i don’t think we’re good enough. But the key is to not stand as we are now and evolve forward in some capacity.
Really good post!
 
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What does outcoached mean?

ATO play? Is it rotations?

Defense late or offense?

Or is it that guy hits a shot. Coach did good. If guy misses an open shot, coach did bad?

Here is truth about coaching. There is no play design that works. The games are won by the players who take the play design, and read the options correctly. You want to create plays with multiple options. Players on and off ball the ball to have to make correct read.

You can design a one-time hit to get Hawkins a shot. Such as those elevator screens. But, all these coaches know every play and how to defend first option.
It’s pretty obvious. Team have adjusted to defending Sanago inside. Foul leg and triple coverage. We aren’t penetrating inside and settle for threes. Ex. Defenses are playing soft on the perimeter with certain UConn guards on the threes . We have the talent to go inside we aren’t taking advantage
 

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This is where I've landed on this team. I still think we're a top 10 team and can win a national championship. Like all great teams, we've gotten knocked down and have to make some adjustments. The biggest adjustment needs to be made by Hurley and how he treats the refs. You can call me a conspiracy theorist, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Goodman came out and said that he's heard from multiple Big East refs that they've had it with Hurley's abuse on the sidelines and immediately after that comes out, we face a combined 63 to 28 free throw differential? That's too much of a coincidence for me to write off. If he can get word to the refs that he's going to tone it down, and actually follow through on that, I expect the terrible whistle to end.

Now that that's out of the way, both games would have been very close or even wins if there was a decent whistle. We shot terribly against Providence, and Andre got into foul trouble almost immediately and only played about 20 minutes. I was also encouraged by Newton's play early, he showed much more willingness to drive the lane. I think we'll see him get more foul calls moving forward.

We actually got two of the three hardest games of the year out of the way (@Creighton being the third). After these next two games, our schedule really opens up and the majority of our games against the best teams in the conference will be at home.
 

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I think it is too earl to tell if we are B or C or D
But anyone who thinks we are playing as well in the past 5 games (outside of shots dropping) is wrong.
We have the same problems (Sanogo not passing, being weak at PG) but the intensity is not there. We overwhelmed people the first 10 games, on offense and defense. Lately we are lucky to do that for 3 minutes

I hope they correct it and we return to being a powerhouse and not like a bubble team.
 
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It’s pretty obvious. Team have adjusted to defending Sanago inside. Foul leg and triple coverage. We aren’t penetrating inside and settle for threes. Ex. Defenses are playing soft on the perimeter with certain UConn guards on the threes . We have the talent to go inside we aren’t taking advantage
So they did not make the open 3s. The coach can’t shoot for players. The coach can’t make players make the correct decision.

The design is fine. Where Hurley fails is I don’t like his reliance on Newton, and his demeanor hurts the Huskies.
 
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So they did not make the open 3s. The coach can’t shoot for players. The coach can’t make players make the correct decision.

The design is fine. Where Hurley fails is I don’t like his reliance on Newton, and his demeanor hurts the Huskies.
Thats possible agree but I don’t see the adjustment. Going to the hoop isn’t hard. It will free up Sonoga. The player can’t be that slow not to understand this basic concept
 
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So they did not make the open 3s. The coach can’t shoot for players. The coach can’t make players make the correct decision.

The design is fine. Where Hurley fails is I don’t like his reliance on Newton, and his demeanor hurts the Huskies.
The design is flawed when you don’t adjust to what the defense throws at you. Calhoun was a master at adjusting coming out of halftime.
 
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Agree DH needs to chill during games his theatrics get old
 
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Sadly, we are looking a lot like a #15-20-ish team that got hot early, overperformed in a few high-profile games, and has since gotten exposed.

The only good news is we have 2 months to adjust and give us a chance at getting back to the special season we thought we were having 2 weeks ago.
 
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Sadly, we are looking a lot like a #15-20-ish team that got hot early, overperformed in a few high-profile games, and has since gotten exposed.

The only good news is we have 2 months to adjust and give us a chance at getting back to the special season we thought we were having 2 weeks ago.
Agreeed, which might seem disappointing but really doesn't change the expectations of making a Sweet 16
 
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Sadly, we are looking a lot like a #15-20-ish team that got hot early, overperformed in a few high-profile games, and has since gotten exposed.

The only good news is we have 2 months to adjust and give us a chance at getting back to the special season we thought we were having 2 weeks ago.
If we don’t miraculously sprout up a quality PG in those two months, i’m not super confident.
 
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We are playing like a competitive top 25-30 team but going 1-3 in the last four Is very concerning. We have the talent of a top 5-10 team which is now being frittered away as the pressure mounts. Getting out played, out hustled. Our O has devolved into a mess. There is no team identity. A lot of this has to be layed at the feet their fearless leader.
 
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We are playing like a competitive top 25-30 team but going 1-3 in the last four Is very concerning. We have the talent of a top 5-10 team which is now being frittered away as the pressure mounts. Getting out played, out hustled. Our O has devolved into a mess. There is no team identity. A lot of this has to be layed at the feet their fearless leader.
#VeryConcerning
 

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Very concerning. This is a type of team that gets upset in the first round of tourney. No go to players and no one that can create their own shot.
 
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A couple thoughts.

We are overrating our talent a little bit. Our shooting percentages other than our two bigs aren’t very good at all and we’re about at the midway point. Sanogo is certainly as skilled on the low block as anyone we’ve ever had when he’s isolated one on one, and Hawkins is as dangerous a scorer as there is in CBB when he gets some space. But Sanogo isn’t guaranteed to get isolated one on one, and Hawkins isn’t guaranteed to get any space. Other that that, it feels like we have limited offensive talent - guys who have to scrap, are limited to a role of just knocking down wide open looks, or who are 7-foot-2. Was hoping Newton could be that get a bucket or make a play guy, like RJ was last year, but that hasn’t happened and at this point, I’m not sure it will.

The thing about the Alabama and Iowa State wins isn’t even so much the scouting report as the lack of practice time. At those tournaments, you have no prep time between games and basically just do a short walk through to go over strategy and then roll out the balls and play. In the rest of the regular season, you have a full practice to implement a game plan going full speed and the walk through reinforces those things at slow speed. Both teams are in the same boat, of course, but those tournament games don’t always give you full insight as to what might happen with time to really get a game plan in place. By March, you play conference teams super familiar with you and then teams that have been scouting you for five days (even if you advance to the Round of 32, an assistant has been doing deep dives into you for five days while the rest of the staff was working on the opening round).

In order to get back to a legit contender, the team has to have its late-game identity. Winning big was a good problem, but it never forced us to develop our late game pecking order of options, and we’ve been perfectly dreadful the last two games. A year ago, it was a lot of Cole and Tyrese in iso/high screen situations, Sanogo postups, and Polley looking for catch and shoots. They had an idea what they wanted to do - maybe they didn’t always succeed, but they had a checklist of options. Tight games, this team has been night at the improv, often regressing to AJ threes or Hawkins forcing something.

We have to ask ourselves - tie game, two minutes left: what are we good at? What’s our bread and butter? Is it Hawkins running around like Rip and getting him quick trigger looks? Ball movement and good decision making from multiple players? Attacking the basket and crashing the boards? Playing our best defensive team and scrapping for points? Our plan can’t be to just dump it into Sanogo, since that’s too easy to take away - we can’t spread the floor with four shooters around him so he’ll always see a double.

Somebody has to take a step forward. Can Hawkins be force fed and evolve as a multi-dimensional scorer a little more? Can Newton become more competent with the ball in his hands and make plays late in the shot clock? Can Jackson do something offensively off the dribble when teams play him to pass? Could maybe Karaban or Alleyne add another layer to their offense and have the ball more?

There’s hope for at least one of those things to happen. In our last two two titles, we saw Lamb and Daniels take a big leap at the right time of year - Lamb became a go-to scorer in his own right, and Daniels became a guy who could make iso fadeaways, adding another layer to our offense. In ‘04, Ben was certainly established but became even better when forced to handle more burden with Okafor out. The ‘99 team didn’t really have a surprise leap (other than the short term surprise of Ricky’s 13) but had been playing together for two years (three for most of them with El-Amin added) and their strength was cohesion at both ends.

As we stand now, i don’t think we’re good enough. But the key is to not stand as we are now and evolve forward in some capacity.
This is so spot on and exactly how I feel.
 
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We are playing like a competitive top 25-30 team but going 1-3 in the last four Is very concerning. We have the talent of a top 5-10 team which is now being frittered away as the pressure mounts. Getting out played, out hustled. Our O has devolved into a mess. There is no team identity. A lot of this has to be layed at the feet their fearless leader.
Actually our defense has been the problem, and our offense is spurred by defense many times. We’ve been getting scored on at close and midrange badly. They drive and they make, we don’t. That’s a reflection of our guard deficiencies also. If Clingan wasn’t in that game last night to stop their offense we lose by 20.
 
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Actually our defense has been the problem, and our offense is spurred by defense many times. We’ve been getting scored on at close and midrange badly. They drive and they make, we don’t. That’s a reflection of our guard deficiencies also. If Clingan wasn’t in that game last night to stop their offense we lose by 20.
Agreed defense has dropped off. Also agree with previous post about our "late game identity" we dont seem to know yet. I also was wondering why Hurley isnt pressing more? I noticed in Creighton game they pressed and Creighton had major trouble with it. You would think with the amount of depth/bodies we have that we can throw at teams we'd be pressing all game with the hopes to wear teams down. UConn is legitimately 10 deep maybe more and we need to start utilizing that depth IMO.
 
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Well, the talent is there to be a top 5 team. Us fans tend to look at our team more critically and gloss over shortcomings on other top teams.

But, it's clear coaching staffs have this team's early season tape and have made adjustments. Now, UConn's coaches have to figure out the counter to the counter.
Move Joey C to the starting lineup. Sit Newton or at least get Joey in sooner and let him play longer. Hawkins, C and Karaban outside as three-point threats all over the floor will free up Sanogo or Clingan inside.
 

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