North Carolina receives amended notice of allegations

[FedupFred]

Play it again Sam
And the band played on
etc etc etc

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Congratulations to UNC for convincing the NCAA that two decades of systemic academic fraud boiled down to UNC's desire for a successful women's basketball program.

 

[triaddukefan]

 

[UcMiami]

Appears that this is an amendment to the previous one that still has lots of football and MBB as well as soccer - but yeah, heavily weighted towards documentation of women's basketball.

 

[UConnCat]

Derek Rowles ‏@DerekRowles 2h2 hours ago
#UNC AD Bubba Cunningham says this new NOA is not an addition to the initial NOA. It replaces the previous NOA.

 

[Vowelguy]

Still time for Hatchell to serve as the lamb for slaughter.

 

[HuskyFan1125]

Capitalism at its finest!!!!

 

[RowdyFan]

Is there a link for this? Or has the NCAA put the kibosh on this too?

 

[calpedaler]

The NCAA Is Scapegoating Women's Basketball for North Carolina's Academic Fraud Scandal

 

[Henry]

I think that the NCAA has lost the chance to fix a broken system. Based on what we know, NC's football program and Men's basketball team should have received the death sentence and should be forbidden from competing for a specified period of time and all championships over the time involved should be forfeited. It is probably long past time to have a Congressional investigation into the fraud in this BS money grubbing organization. Where are all of the civil rights leaders? Where is their march on Washington demanding to know how so many African-American athletes were cheated out of an education. What a joke!

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Capitalism at its finest!!!!

What a travesty.

 

[Geno-ista]

I think that the NCAA has lost the chance to fix a broken system. Based on what we know, NC's football program and Men's basketball team should have received the death sentence and should be forbidden from competing for a specified period of time and all championships over the time involved should be forfeited. It is probably long past time to have a Congressional investigation into the fraud in this BS money grubbing organization. Where are all of the civil rights leaders? Where is their march on Washington demanding to know how so many African-American athletes were cheated out of an education. What a joke!

Bingo- they pick and choose their "incidents"! Unfortunately this issue doesn't help their / these "race-baters & haters narrative , or more specifically their agenda!

 

[Geno-ista]

What a travesty.

They are "Too big to fail"!

 

[uconnfan68]

Derek Rowles ‏@DerekRowles 2h2 hours ago
#UNC AD Bubba Cunningham says this new NOA is not an addition to the initial NOA. It replaces the previous NOA.

They scammed all of us.

 

[Kibitzer]

It's even worse than it looks! What the NCAA did was to send an Amended Notice of Allegations, NOT an Amendment to the existing NOA. What this means is that the OLD NOA gets tossed and is being replaced by an entirely NEW NOA.

Thus, the clock starts ticking anew. It is now estimated that closure can not be reached until after football season. (Subject to change,)

It gets worse.

The words "impermissible benefits," "Football," and "Men's Basketball" do not appear in the April 20, 2016, Amended NOA. (Remember, it's not just an amendment to the original.)

"Women's Basketball" does appear.​

Connecting the dots has never been easier. As posted by others, Sylvia is being set up to sleep with the fishes.

 

[Kibitzer]

The words "impermissible benefits," "Football," and "Men's Basketball" do not appear in the April 20, 2016, Amended NOA. (Remember, it's not just an amendment to the original.)​

CORRECTION!​

The information quoted (in bold) above was taken from an article by B. David Ridpath in Forbes, published two days ago. He has since updated his blog (just a few hours ago) and removed his earlier statements about these significant words not appearing in the replacement NOA.

I guess in his first read of the Amended NOA he didn't spot them, but did today.

I see no reason to revise anything else in my post.

 

[Charliebball]

Play it again Sam
And the band played on
etc etc etc

Why all the indignation?..........everybody knows that big time college athletics is simply a money making operation for the individual schools, the NCAA and the networks (and now fantasy/betting services)..................none of us should be surprised by the findings at UNC or any other sports oriented university large or small............if you have played sports in college or know someone that has, you know that issues relating to helping athletes maintain eligibility has always been a slippery slope...........Heck, I witnessed it in Division III and I have many friends, friends of friends or sons of friends who currently play or played at an elite level in the SEC, ACC PAC 12, Big12 who will tell you that academics are a joke for those that are simply looking to survive the four years without loosing their scholarships.................while there are many student athletes that take grade pride in their academic performance (me included) so many of the others took the easiest classes they could find with the help of their academic/athletic advisors and many of those joke classes were designed for the athlete to succeed with very little work or effort.......and yes many schools have courses where the players were no shows 75% of the time and now 100% of the time online, received homework "help", "test prep" etc.........kind of like "these may be on the test, just know these answers".........so please enough with the surprised moral outrage.........every school is a bit guilty of this..........clearly some more then others but every school from the lowest of the low to the Ivy League have their far share of questionable practices if you look deeply enough...........I won't even touch on the recruiting side of the story..........that's where the really outrageous stuff begins............

 

[Ukonnfan]

Why all the indignation?.....everybody knows that big time college athletics is simply a money making operation for the individual schools, the NCAA and the networks (and now fantasy/betting services)...none of us should be surprised by the findings at UNC or any other sports oriented university large or small..if you have played sports in college or know someone that has, you know that issues relating to helping athletes maintain eligibility has always been a slippery slope......Heck, I witnessed it in Division III and I have many friends, friends of friends or sons of friends who currently play or played at an elite level in the SEC, ACC PAC 12, Big12 who will tell you that academics are a joke for those that are simply looking to survive the four years without loosing their scholarships.......while there are many student athletes that take grade pride in their academic performance (me included) so many of the others took the easiest classes they could find with the help of their academic/athletic advisors and many of those joke classes were designed for the athlete to succeed with very little work or effort..and yes many schools have courses where the players were no shows 75% of the time and now 100% of the time online, received homework "help", "test prep" etc....kind of like "these may be on the test, just know these answers"....so please enough with the surprised moral outrage....every school is a bit guilty of this.....clearly some more then others but every school from the lowest of the low to the Ivy League have their far share of questionable practices if you look deeply enough......I won't even touch on the recruiting side of the story.....that's where the really outrageous stuff begins..

Thanks for saying it.

 

[Charliebball]

Thanks for saying it.

No problem........somebody's got to!!!!!

 

[HuskyNan]

Why all the indignation?.....everybody knows that big time college athletics is simply a money making operation for the individual schools, the NCAA and the networks (and now fantasy/betting services)...none of us should be surprised by the findings at UNC or any other sports oriented university large or small..if you have played sports in college or know someone that has, you know that issues relating to helping athletes maintain eligibility has always been a slippery slope......Heck, I witnessed it in Division III and I have many friends, friends of friends or sons of friends who currently play or played at an elite level in the SEC, ACC PAC 12, Big12 who will tell you that academics are a joke for those that are simply looking to survive the four years without loosing their scholarships.......while there are many student athletes that take grade pride in their academic performance (me included) so many of the others took the easiest classes they could find with the help of their academic/athletic advisors and many of those joke classes were designed for the athlete to succeed with very little work or effort..and yes many schools have courses where the players were no shows 75% of the time and now 100% of the time online, received homework "help", "test prep" etc....kind of like "these may be on the test, just know these answers"....so please enough with the surprised moral outrage....every school is a bit guilty of this.....clearly some more then others but every school from the lowest of the low to the Ivy League have their far share of questionable practices if you look deeply enough......I won't even touch on the recruiting side of the story.....that's where the really outrageous stuff begins..

Because the NCAA has preferred to present itself as being somewhat evenhanded and reasonable. But this blatant ignoring of mountains of evidence to protect one of its franchise programs is breath-taking, even for the NCAA especially after nailing Cal Tech. Just stunning.

NCAA hammers Caltech, but other schools deserve to be nailed

 

[HoopsFan21]

It's fine. I'm sure Emmert is preparing new sanctions for our men's team because their collective GPA fell below 4.0 this semester.

 

[Kibitzer]

The "Everybody does it" argument doesn't make it right. At the risk of appearing to be naive, I don't buy it.

The massive scope of UNC's transgressions deserve far more than mere "moral outrage."

And what appears to be NCAA's reluctance to come to grips with UNC goes beyond disappointing. Downright revolting, in my view.

 

[Charliebball]

Because the NCAA has preferred to present itself as being somewhat evenhanded and reasonable. But this blatant ignoring of mountains of evidence to protect one of its franchise programs is breath-taking, even for the NCAA.

There is nothing evenhanded and reasonable about the NCAA..............never has been..........in the UNC situation both the school and the NCAA are in a difficult political situation since much of the scandal stems from issues in the administration of the African-American studies program under Julius Nyang'oro. They don't want some critics to turn the academic fraud into a racial issue when it clearly is not.

 

[HuskyNan]

There is nothing evenhanded and reasonable about the NCAA....never has been.....in the UNC situation both the school and the NCAA are in a difficult political situation since much of the scandal stems from issues in the administration of the African-American studies program under Julius Nyang'oro. They don't want some critics to turn the academic fraud into a racial issue when it clearly is not.

Hence my deliberate phrase "likes to present itself". The fact the NCAA hit Cal Tech, after only a few months of investigation, while exonerating UNC's men's basketball team after years of dragging its feet shows that's clearly not the case.

 

[Charliebball]

The "Everybody does it" argument doesn't make it right. At the risk of appearing to be naive, I don't buy it.

The massive scope of UNC's transgressions deserve far more than mere "moral outrage."

And what appears to be NCAA's reluctance to come to grips with UNC goes beyond disappointing. Downright revolting, in my view.

The problem for the NCAA is that the UNC case is an academic scandal that is typically out of their purview. The last time they took on a major case that did not involve recruiting issues was Penn State where the NCAA entered into uncharted waters and got their butts handed to them by the courts when the university sued.

Regarding UNC.............the two most important individuals involved refuse to testify and can't be compelled by the NCAA as they are no longer UNC employees. The other "star" witness's testimony has been tainted by possibly illegal activities on her part...........the NCAA knows that if UNC took this to court the NCAA wouldn't have a leg to stand on.............thus you have a more limited approach which will most likely be accepted by all parties......................