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noeynox said:
UConn is getting like 300k CFP money and 500k from CBS sports TV contract. Its not a high bar to clear for this to make sense financially for UConn as a FB only.
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I’m not sure what point is - what Memphis got for moving everything is not a comparison to what we’d ask for fb only. What am I missing
 
gioff2323 said:
I’m not sure what point is - what Memphis got for moving everything is not a comparison to what we’d ask for fb only. What am I missing
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Just that as people continue to turn down the PAC 2 the remaining candidates have more leverage. If this were a P4 bid, I would shut up and take whatever we were given. It's not, we can negotiate.
 
GoConn said:
After today, anyone else thinking SEC or B1G?
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Maybe eventually. For B10, we need AAU membership, too. If we can get into ACC or B12 first, we could rise in the rankings as we play competitive teams,
 
jostar1 said:
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For his video that he posted the other day, a viewer on YouTube wrote (regarding the ongoing UConn & Big 12 dance):

"If Kansas supports it. Eventually, all the Texas schools will support it. If the Kansas schools and the Arizona schools support it. The Texas schools will definitely support it. Everyone wants an Eastern school for WVU."

I would think Kansas would already be on board with UConn joining. I spent some time yesterday looking at Houston's, Baylor's, and TCU's boards to get a feel of their fanbase. Most are against UConn (no surprise), and several had no clue about our facilities (then later admitted we have better digs than theirs), but some gave us some due benefit while also saying that their own fanbase (this would be Houston) shouldn't get cocky as it's not like they are much better than us.
 
WVU is reasonably close to Cincy and is thus less of a geographic outlier in the B12 than UCF. Thus, USF (large enrollment, AAU status, new on-campus stadium in the works, natural rivalry with UCF, and favorable recruiting territory) might be a more logical B12 expansion candidate. Eastern additions of UConn, Syracuse, and Pitt make abundant sense if/when the ACC implodes.
 
Oh look who came back telling us that the Big 12 is better off looking at another school, this time with a mention about AAU status. As if being in the AAU has any bearing on Big 12 membership. Let's see, there are ASU (2023), Arizona (1985), Colorado (1966), Kansas (1909), & Utah (2019)...5 out of 16 schools. Fancy yourself a highly prestigious conference do you? The ACC, much as I malign them, has 8+ AAU schools (Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, NC, Pitt, Stanford, Virginia, and Notre Dame). Let's compare football records. From 2000 to 2023 USF averaged 6 wins and 6 losses vs. UConn's 5 wins and 7 losses. Let's go more recent and just look at the past 5 years, USF and 3W & 9L vs. UConn at 3W & 10L (I omitted the sit-out year and went back 6 years). So what is he advocating then, a team that has essentially the SAME record in football and ZERO basketball championships. Wow, such a stellar recommendation, Yormark should definitely take your call.
 
KryHavok said:
Oh look who came back telling us that the Big 12 is better off looking at another school, this time with a mention about AAU status. As if being in the AAU has any bearing on Big 12 membership. Let's see, there are ASU (2023), Arizona (1985), Colorado (1966), Kansas (1909), & Utah (2019)...5 out of 16 schools. Fancy yourself a highly prestigious conference do you? The ACC, much as I malign them, has 8+ AAU schools (Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, NC, Pitt, Stanford, Virginia, and Notre Dame). Let's compare football records. From 2000 to 2023 USF averaged 6 wins and 6 losses vs. UConn's 5 wins and 7 losses. Let's go more recent and just look at the past 5 years, USF and 3W & 9L vs. UConn at 3W & 10L (I omitted the sit-out year and went back 6 years). So what is he advocating then, a team that has essentially the SAME record in football and ZERO basketball championships. Wow, such a stellar recommendation, Yormark should definitely take your call.
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Everything in context, my friend. The statement to which I replied posited that UConn would be a good addition to the B12 because WVU needs eastern company. I contend that, if WVU indeed needs company because it's perceived as a geographic outlier, then UCF needs company more because it's even more isolated geographically with respect to the rest of the conference. USF, regardless of its athletic prowess, would be a sensible B12 addition to address that need. As the crow flies, Tampa is less than 100 miles from Orlando, and Storrs is about 400 miles from Morgantown. If concerns about geographic isolation were a motive for expanding the B12, and I'm not sure they are, then UCF would have the more pressing need. Beyond geography, the other metrics I mentioned are frosting on the cake (I hasten to add that UConn's basketball prowess is frosting too). If you can't see the logic in that assessment, then heaven help you.

I doubt that Yormark would take calls from either of us, but when he considers the recommendations of others, I bet he's swayed more by logic and credibility than by fan-boy emotion. As always, logos, ethos, pathos -- in that order.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
Has flugs become reputable? I always thought he just threw shizz and saw what stuck.
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He’s always had real info. He’s been pretty accurate over the years. He definitely misses sometimes but his track record is solid. Sometimes schools don’t get the votes or other schools become available and things change. For the most part, I consider him worth listening to.
 
hank970 said:
Everything in context, my friend. The statement to which I replied posited that UConn would be a good addition to the B12 because WVU needs eastern company. I contend that, if WVU indeed needs company because it's perceived as a geographic outlier, then UCF needs company more because it's even more isolated geographically with respect to the rest of the conference. USF, regardless of its athletic prowess, would be a sensible B12 addition to address that need. As the crow flies, Tampa is less than 100 miles from Orlando, and Storrs is about 400 miles from Morgantown. If concerns about geographic isolation were a motive for expanding the B12, and I'm not sure they are, then UCF would have the more pressing need. Beyond geography, the other metrics I mentioned are frosting on the cake (I hasten to add that UConn's basketball prowess is frosting too). If you can't see the logic in that assessment, then heaven help you.

I doubt that Yormark would take calls from either of us, but when he considers the recommendations of others, I bet he's swayed more by logic and credibility than by fan-boy emotion. As always, logos, ethos, pathos -- in that order.
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USF adds nothing to the Big 12 that they don’t already have.
 
hank970 said:
Everything in context, my friend. The statement to which I replied posited that UConn would be a good addition to the B12 because WVU needs eastern company. I contend that, if WVU indeed needs company because it's perceived as a geographic outlier, then UCF needs company more because it's even more isolated geographically with respect to the rest of the conference. USF, regardless of its athletic prowess, would be a sensible B12 addition to address that need. As the crow flies, Tampa is less than 100 miles from Orlando, and Storrs is about 400 miles from Morgantown. If concerns about geographic isolation were a motive for expanding the B12, and I'm not sure they are, then UCF would have the more pressing need. Beyond geography, the other metrics I mentioned are frosting on the cake (I hasten to add that UConn's basketball prowess is frosting too). If you can't see the logic in that assessment, then heaven help you.

I doubt that Yormark would take calls from either of us, but when he considers the recommendations of others, I bet he's swayed more by logic and credibility than by fan-boy emotion. As always, logos, ethos, pathos -- in that order.
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Hondo 77 said:
And IIRC didn’t USF oppose UCF’s joining the Big East whenever it came up?
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It's quite amusing that Hank the troll think UCF and USF want to do eachother favors.
 
ZooCougar said:
It's quite amusing that Hank the troll think UCF and USF want to do eachother favors.
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Not as amusing as the fact that UConn, like USF, is still on the outside looking in. You'd be more persuasive if you could make a cogent counterargument, but as usual, ad hominem attacks are your first and only line of defense.
 
hank970 said:
Not as amusing as the fact that UConn, like USF, is still on the outside looking in. You'd be more persuasive if you could make a cogent counterargument, but as usual, ad hominem attacks are your first and only line of defense.
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Pointing out that your argument has no basis in reality is counter argument enough.
 
We turned down the P12 offer because we have other plans afoot. If in two years we don't finally consummate those plans for either the B12 or ACC, then perhaps we would circle back to the P12 about some sort of deal for football only. But even then, in the late 2020s, I see us holding in this current set up to see what happens with 2030 CRA movement.

In the early 2030s I think it would be advantageous for the ACC and B12 to trade a couple schools, both have concentration (Texas for the B12 / Carolina for the ACC) issues that do not reward them from a media standpoint. Trade one of VT/Wake/Duke/NC State for one of TCU/Baylor/Houston. The B12 might be able to "trade" Utah as well. Will that happen? Probably not....
 
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Exit 4 said:
We turned down the P12 offer because we have other plans afoot. If in two years we didn't finally consummate those plans for either the B12 or ACC, then perhaps we would circle back to the P12 about some sort of deal for football only. But even then, in the late 2020s, I see us holding in this current set up to see what happens with 2030 CRA movement.
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Totally agree. The State of CT can float us along year to year as they've been doing. There doesn't appear to be any strong reason to jump into the PAC/quasi Mountain West. Wait it out until we get into the Big12 or ACC.
 
hank970 said:
Not as amusing as the fact that UConn, like USF, is still on the outside looking in. You'd be more persuasive if you could make a cogent counterargument, but as usual, ad hominem attacks are your first and only line of defense.
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Hank, your argument for USF is mostly based on 2 things, location, location, location, and giving UCF a close rival. We both know that is nice and maybe back in the day that would have been enough, but not today. To be fair, UCF already gets the Big 12 into FL, so USF's location advantage is minimized. Given that BCU is irrelevant except for alums and current students, a case could be made that New England is untapped potential for eyeballs and prospective students and athletes. We also give a NY presence which could be leveraged for further visibility. As @ZooCougar noted, UCF may not be interested in having USF competing for in-state recruits (see BC/UConn for another territory example), so there may not even be support.
Conference expansion is about dollars, what does USF bring to the table and would it bring an increase in the league payout? Outside of 2016 & 2017, their football is not much better than ours. Given that they've had 2 7-6 seasons since, and including, 2018, I'll give them an ever so slight nod. When you consider basketball eyeballs, It's not even close that having the UConn men & women in their conference is preferred, especially with women's hoops being a somewhat untapped resource. Given that they're only 100 miles from UCF/Orlando, not a big increase in TV markets. We are talking about maybe the #4 school in the state after UF, FSU & UCF.
Based on this simple analysis, I would think the B12 would value UConn as a better addition than USF. If Yormark really does split the football TV deal from the basketball, UConn's value is even clearer.
That would be my counterargument.
 
Fairfield_1st said:
Hank, your argument for USF is mostly based on 2 things, location, location, location, and giving UCF a close rival. We both know that is nice and maybe back in the day that would have been enough, but not today. To be fair, UCF already gets the Big 12 into FL, so USF's location advantage is minimized. Given that BCU is irrelevant except for alums and current students, a case could be made that New England is untapped potential for eyeballs and prospective students and athletes. We also give a NY presence which could be leveraged for further visibility. As @ZooCougar noted, UCF may not be interested in having USF competing for in-state recruits (see BC/UConn for another territory example), so there may not even be support.
Conference expansion is about dollars, what does USF bring to the table and would it bring an increase in the league payout? Outside of 2016 & 2017, their football is not much better than ours. Given that they've had 2 7-6 seasons since, and including, 2018, I'll give them an ever so slight nod. When you consider basketball eyeballs, It's not even close that having the UConn men & women in their conference is preferred, especially with women's hoops being a somewhat untapped resource. Given that they're only 100 miles from UCF/Orlando, not a big increase in TV markets. We are talking about maybe the #4 school in the state after UF, FSU & UCF.
Based on this simple analysis, I would think the B12 would value UConn as a better addition than USF. If Yormark really does split the football TV deal from the basketball, UConn's value is even clearer.
That would be my counterargument.
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He doesn’t deserve that. But that’s a nice response..
 
hank970 said:
Everything in context, my friend. The statement to which I replied posited that UConn would be a good addition to the B12 because WVU needs eastern company. I contend that, if WVU indeed needs company because it's perceived as a geographic outlier, then UCF needs company more because it's even more isolated geographically with respect to the rest of the conference. USF, regardless of its athletic prowess, would be a sensible B12 addition to address that need. As the crow flies, Tampa is less than 100 miles from Orlando, and Storrs is about 400 miles from Morgantown. If concerns about geographic isolation were a motive for expanding the B12, and I'm not sure they are, then UCF would have the more pressing need. Beyond geography, the other metrics I mentioned are frosting on the cake (I hasten to add that UConn's basketball prowess is frosting too). If you can't see the logic in that assessment, then heaven help you.

I doubt that Yormark would take calls from either of us, but when he considers the recommendations of others, I bet he's swayed more by logic and credibility than by fan-boy emotion. As always, logos, ethos, pathos -- in that order.
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" I bet he's swayed more by logic and credibility than by fan-boy emotion. As always, logos, ethos, pathos -- in that order"

Much as you argue against @ZooCougar for his ad homimem attacks (he's a passionate UConn fan, but he's not wrong), you fall into the same category with the use of the "fanboy" term. Nothing that I wrote was factually incorrect, nor was it some lunatic fanboy (middle age status not withstanding) ranting. I completely accept that UConn had a poor showing the last decade in football, as did Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, and Kansas (ah, yes, we won't point out that those grandfathered are exempt from critique). I'll also add that referring to UConn's basketball prowess as "frosting" is disingenous and insulting. Would you call Bama's national football championships frosting to the SEC? Making light of UConn's achievement in BB (by comparing to USF that has achieved no real success in sports), which no other team has done in the current era save for UCLA decades ago, speaks against your use of ethos.

Regarding pathos, you as a non-UConn fan should take your own words to light as you come to this site to post. If you cannot see that this fanbase has suffered time and again during CR and made to endure countless critique about what it lacks as an athletic school, yet you post that other teams should get the call while UConn endlessly wait for unlikely scenarios to unfold, then Heaven help you for your lack of empathy and manners as a visitor to this site.
 
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