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The Big 12 clearly thinks it's possible to expand with P5 teams. I think they are wrong - but in their position I'd do the same thing.
 
Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal · 1h1 hour ago
Expansion is on〽️

Randy Watts ‏@randywatts7 · 59m59 minutes ago
@Bluevodreal BIG10 or BIG12?

Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal · 49m49 minutes ago
@randywatts7 could be both but Big10 striking first.

Bill Mayhall‏@BildoGoInHammer
@Bluevodreal when and what schools?

Bluevod ‏@Bluevodreal · 39m39 minutes ago
@BildoGoInHammer all the same as before minus ND. Looks like they could go 2 to 4 instead of full 6.〽️
 
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 9h9 hours ago
@Briuconn
B12 meets again on July 19th but we have no info if a decision will be made in that week.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@Movietime_Blues
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Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire May 30
BTM: If Texas pulls back from Reform (EXP/CCG) then next step will be Texas & OU working with TV partners on controlled B12 implosion.

This is where the B12 is..
No more gap between OU & UT on B12 future.
Clearing exit ramp

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
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Stated by BTM on May 30th.
OU does not want to tack on any more years to B12 GOR...obligations in any manner

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
Main Goal of Oklahoma & Texas is to not harm the relationship as it works on 1 or both exits from B12 years from now.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
To expand a conference takes a lot of investment...not just $...but time...building relationships...trouble shooting..Brand Extension.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
Oklahoma/Boren were a willing partner in total B12 Reform.
But Texas spoke...and Texas spoke to OU.
And OU said "Ok"
Clearing pathway

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
Oklahoma wants to keep its valuable relationship with Texas intact after they leave B12.
OU will be successful in both..latest 2024

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@UConnBig12
Only major realignment that can occur among P5 before 2024 is controlled B12 implosion with ESPN & FOX greasing the skids

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@UConnBig12
2024 the B12 loses at least 1 valuable piece (OU)...
It's difficult to invest in a home you know will be leaving yrs from now
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@wvlawgeek Its important the Big 12 show its United and all members are committed to the conference for the long term. Expansion part of it.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@wvlawgeek People will attack me for this but the Big 12 still thinks it has a shot at FSU.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@wvlawgeek I don't normally say FSU for obvious reasons but they really think it's possible.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@98bearcat There was a real possibility the B12 would expand to 14 & give new members 50% of new money & give the rest to current members.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
The economic incentive is there for ESPN/Fox and the Big 12.

John Hemelgarn ‏@98bearcat · 8h8 hours ago
Also, have you noticed a lot less chatter about expansion this time than in June, think people are burnt out on it

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV
@98bearcat Big 12 wanted this one quiet. They were tired of the questions and embarrassment.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@wvlawgeek Only reason they wait is to see what FSU intends. No reason to really talk FSU either. Not worth the hassle.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8h8 hours ago
@wvlawgeek @SwamiEER ND is always the wildcard for the ACC. But FSU is concerned about the ACC. Could open a door.
 
DiacosArmy said:
I wouldn't hold my breath. If that happens as stupid as it sounds Houston may get a real look from the ACC. And Temple. They'd go best available football to replace FSU.
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Just stop.
 
MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
Lots of news. Just been so busy with flood cleanup. Check back here tonight.

H ver3 ‏@MH ver3 38m38 minutes ago
I don't have a lot of time to post but I will get out what I can.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 36m36 minutes ago
2 big roadblocks to expansion for B12. UT wanting to wait out ACC and OU AD hoping for a collapse and a move to SEC

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 36m36 minutes ago
But expansion won't die and has majority support as well as backing from Bowlsby after he combed through the data.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 36m36 minutes ago
BYU has made huge inroads in the past few weeks with B12 and are now being seen as the leading school.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 35m35 minutes ago
Uconn and UC are neck and neck for the second spot with Uconn having the slightest of edges for now due to being a large state school

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 34m34 minutes ago
Some pretty severe in-fighting at OU between President and AD over future of B12 conference.

MH ver3 ‏@MH ver3 33m33 minutes ago
Sorry I can't go into more detail right now but I promise to be back as soon as I can-gotta put my WVians first!

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 4m4 minutes ago
@MH ver3 president B10. AD and stoops B12, fans SEC
 
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Seriously. At this point, I just want the B12 to fall apart. I've had enough of reading all of the back-and-forth. "We need expansion." "We do not need expansion." "We will only expand if Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, UNC and Michigan join the conference."

Just take Oklahoma and put them in the SEC. Take Texas and put them in the ACC or PAC. Take Kansas and put them in the B1G. The rest of the B12 can join us in the AAC or go to the MWC.

Just please put this conference out of its tired misery.
 
As much as I hoped that B12 expansion was actually going to happen, I think it's dead. The Oklahoma AD doesn't come out and say that if Oklahoma was still in on it. We already had the Texas AD on record saying it's dead. The only shot is the other 8 overruling the big 2 but don't see that as likely at all. The Big 12 will fall apart at the end of their TV deal.
 
Dooley said:
Seriously. At this point, I just want the B12 to fall apart. I've had enough of reading all of the back-and-forth. "We need expansion." "We do not need expansion." "We will only expand if Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, UNC and Michigan join the conference."

Just take Oklahoma and put them in the SEC. Take Texas and put them in the ACC or PAC. Take Kansas and put them in the B1G. The rest of the B12 can join us in the AAC or go to the MWC.

Just please put this conference out of its tired misery.
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I think B12 expansion will come back, precisely because the B12 is going to fall apart. There aren't going to be a "P4" of conferences. I think it will stay at five. If the Big 12 adds two, then they can survive the loss of OU and UT with their contract and playoff status intact.

Reading between these lines, the camps would be:
UT: Let's wait for the B1G to wipe out the ACC, and pick up the scraps
OU: Let's add teams so OSU and other schools will still be in a P5 when we leave for the SEC
 
Call me crazy, but is thinking that the AAC long term necessarily a horrible thing? Of course, if ESPN holds a matching provision like the current contract, the answer is a resounding yes, but the AAC is ESPN's most valuable property in term of rate of return and ESPN is making a killing. Aresco will surely leverage that in the next negotiation and bid process.

I want an invite to a P5 conference as much as the next guy, but what is the TV contract going to look like for a conference of UConn and the "best" of the rest that more likely than probably won't include Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas?
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think B12 expansion will come back, precisely because the B12 is going to fall apart. There aren't going to be a "P4" of conferences. I think it will stay at five. If the Big 12 adds two, then they can survive the loss of OU and UT with their contract and playoff status intact.

Reading between these lines, the camps would be:
UT: Let's wait for the B1G to wipe out the ACC, and pick up the scraps
OU: Let's add teams so OSU and other schools will still be in a P5 when we leave for the SEC
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IF UT & OU leave the B12 they are done as a P5 conference. No combination of UConn, Cinci, BYU, etc are going to provide enough juice to keep them as a P5 conference.

We will eventually get to a P4 when the GOR & TV contracts expire. The question will be which of the B12 or ACC survive? If the B1G & SEC are targeting UNC, UVA, VT, NC St & possibly Georgia Tech as future adds then the ACC dies and the B12 will likely have a realistic chance at adding FSU & Clemson and being the survivor.

That's why it is critical for UConn to get to a P5 conference ASAP. When Armageddon comes we need to already have a seat at the table because there are other more likely targets in line ahead of us to grab one of those P4 chairs. Otherwise it's a combination of the AAC and the remaining ACC schools in what will be a G4 conference. A little better for us in that we will resume old rivalries and will get some more cash but realistically not much better than where we are now.
 
I wish this thread encompassed non-key emails that are sent by non-key tweeters. I need to vent and oh my goodness would I unload right now.
 
kyleslamb said:
I wish this thread encompassed non-key emails that are sent by non-key tweeters. I need to vent and oh my goodness would I unload right now.
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I'm surprised to learn that non-key tweeters have enough facility with the English language to write entire emails. So you have proof of this?
 
HuskyHawk said:
I'm surprised to learn that non-key tweeters have enough facility with the English language to write entire emails. So you have proof of this?
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I'll tell you the emails are from The Dude. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
 
kyleslamb said:
I'll tell you the emails are from The Dude. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
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DO IT DO IT DO IT! I know he's complete batsht crazy. You aren't alone. He sent me tweets from his alter egos on Twitter... Completely unstable. Did he vaguely threaten you? I wouldn't be shocked in the least.
 
kyleslamb said:
I wish this thread encompassed non-key emails that are sent by non-key tweeters. I need to vent and oh my goodness would I unload right now.
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Speak your thoughts and let it lose. You will feel better afterwards. I spoke my thoughts about the fraud known as Flugempire when he was pimping G5 fans for attention and he eventually gave on his fake BTM garbage.
 
OK, well I'll try to make this as pertinent to the topic as I can.

A few weeks ago, Greg tweeted at me in response to a comment I made regarding the new Big Ten rights agreement. I pointed out that despite the naysayers suggesting the Big Ten's $40-50 million revenue estimates were a pipe dream, it turns out they are getting just that. The Dude said there was no way they would get close to that, and the estimates as of 2017 are about $40 million with BTN revenue continuing to climb the next five years. Greg then tweeted that even Northwestern would be getting more TV/rights money than West Virginia.

Suddenly, Chris emailed me yesterday saying he got wind from someone that Greg had made these comments and he pointed out it was untrue because it doesn't take into account WVU's IMG money. He had my email because we had communicated a few times, but who knows why now he suddenly got wind of these tweets. I said I wasn't really a part of the WVU revenue conversation so I didn't have much of an opinion, but I pointed out that a cursory glance at the USA Today finances database showed WVU as having less rights/licensing revenue than every Big Ten public institution except for Rutgers, who is still getting only a partial share in conference payouts.

This was not popular and did not sit well with him. He mentioned the USA Today data was not accurate because IMG revenue was listed for WVU in "other" revenue. Funny enough, the "other" revenue consisted only of $5 million and even adding the "other" revenue to rights/licensing, the point was still accurate that they made less in rights/licensing than every other Big Ten public school except Rutgers. Still, for some reason, he kept arguing it and told me I should look at the EADA database (which is completely separate).

I informed him that the annual disclosures made to USA Today were line item and I even provided the USA Today definition of their rights/licensing revenue, which included TV, Radio, Internet, e-commerce, marketing, sponsorship, royalties, trademarks, etc. Basically every licensing fee you can imagine was listed under their definition. He still refused to believe me. I pointed out that five years ago, I literally did a three month study on finances and performed open records requests on every single FBS institution to get bowl finances, and had hours and hours of email and phone conversations about this. I knew for a fact that USA Today's data was based on line item information (as submitted in their annual NCAA report) that was grouped into categories. He responded with a picture of sport-by-sport revenue data by West Virginia that was submitted to the NCAA as proof I was wrong (even though he conflated the EADA data with the NCAA annual revenue report). He told me I was "dense."

I figured out the problem eventually. He's confusing the NCAA reporting of "other" revenue, which includes line items of broadcasting revenue and royalties, sponsorship and licensing as sub-items, and because it's categorized as "other" revenue in the NCAA report, he assumes therefore the USA Today database also i including that revenue as "other." What he refuses to understand is that when the USA Today gathers this data, they specifically take those licensing/rights line items and group them with conference media payouts to put together a big category that can be compared across institutions on an apples-to-apples basis.

Honestly it's a silly debate. I don't even care if West Virginia makes more or less than those schools. It wasn't my debate to begin with. I was just pointing out a simple fact because I believe he was mistaken about it. Knowing USA Today's methodology and the way reports are submitted to the NCAA (because I did a three month project on the whole thing), I tried explaining that Greg's basis was correct. In any event, I'm still being told how 'wrong' I am. I should give back the money I earned on the freelance story. I must have done it incorrectly.
 
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