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billybud said:
Found ACC GOR... posted on other thread.

The Exit fee, still in place (and Maryland's $32 million settlement) is another subject entirely from a grant of media rights....
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As I understand it, the $32MM was money that the ACC already had in possession from withholding payments to Maryland. That makes me suspect that the correct number for leaving the ACC may be much lower.
 
Husky25 said:
I didn't remember the timeline, however it is still relevant in that the ACC wanted a crap ton of money. Maryland doesn't want to pay the crap ton of money demanded by the ACC. A lawyer remotely worth his salt will assign a value to EVERYTHING and everything becomes a bargaining chip.

If the two sides can't come to an agreement then the current contract prevails, but agreements are renegotiated all the time.
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That has already been settled:

The University of Maryland and the ACC announced a settlement Friday that allows the conference to keep $31.3 million in exit fees paid by the school in the wake of its move to the Big Ten.

The agreement, which ends nearly two years of contentious litigation, frees Maryland from making any future payments to the ACC, of which it was a founding member. While it closes a round in the multimillion dollar game of conference realignment, the settlement also could set a precedent — and send a stark message — for schools looking to move and conferences seeking to stop them.

“I think what most conferences will do is make it more difficult to exit in the future,” said Gabe Feldman, director of the sports law program at Tulane University. “I think the ACC has made that clear.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...702a18-1f3b-11e4-ae54-0cfe1f974f8a_story.html
 
The reality is that as long as Texas is part of the b12, it's highly unlikely anyone is leaving another p5 conference to join the b12. It's to f..ed up with that situation to risk moving. However, if you are the non ut, ok, folks in the b12, you have to wonder if they will evaluate affiliating with others as the tv contracts become closer to expiration. Although they are in the p5, it's an uncertain future. They'll still probably end up chasing the $'s, but it's clear an uncertain path for some of them.
 
don356 said:
The reality is that as long as Texas is part of the b12, it's highly unlikely anyone is leaving another p5 conference to join the b12. It's to f..ed up with that situation to risk moving. However, if you are the non ut, ok, folks in the b12, you have to wonder if they will evaluate affiliating with others as the tv contracts become closer to expiration. Although they are in the p5, it's an uncertain future. They'll still probably end up chasing the $'s, but it's clear an uncertain path for some of them.
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I think the corollary may be true too. The Pac 12 passed on Texas, and has never looked back. I don't see Nebraska allowing the Big 10 to sign up for that mess. Do you think Texas A&M wants Texas in the SEC? The ACC is only P5 league that would even take Texas.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 6h6 hours ago
SEC not interested in challenging Big 12 GoR. No interest in adding OU or any Big 12 school while GoR is in effect.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@zachmauch @jimi357 I don't care what others are saying. The Big 12 is bound by a GoR & nobody - not OU or UT or WVU - has any place to go.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@zachmauch @jimi357 I've spend 3 weeks chasing rumors down rabbit holes. the Big 12 is locked solid by the GoR. Anything else is BS.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@zachmauch @jimi357 If @mh3 is saying otherwise he's a liar. If @flugempire is saying it then he's a liar.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@jimi357 You can't void the GoR.

Genetics56 ‏@Genetics56 · 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire @theDudeofWV @zachmauch @jimi357 @MHver3 Greg has always said it would be later. The FSU rumor last night was a lie.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @Genetics56 @flugempire @zachmauch @jimi357 I can show you 2 years of emails where Greg gave me bogus tip after bogus tip.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@Genetics56 @flugempire @zachmauch @jimi357 And my replies telling him I checked them out and found nothing to them. Privately.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
I feel foolish I have wasted 3 weeks of my life tracking down nonsense I should have known was nonsense.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
I'm going to say this one time.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
The Big 12 is not breaking up. Oklahoma is not leaving and does not want to leave. UT is not leaving and does not want to leave.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
The Big 12 is not expanding until it is profitable to do so and if they do they will target other P5 schools first.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
Sadly UH isn't getting invited. Cincy isn't getting invited. UCF isn't getting invited. Neither is BYU, Memphis, ECU or Jack Daniels U.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
I will not waste any more time responding to crackpots with theories culled from websites and message boards.

KilroyFSU ‏@KilroyFSU · 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV Why does Boren make that statement if it's not about either leaving or expansion then?

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @KilroyFSU Senile? Certainly OU & WVU want the Big 12 to expand.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@KilroyFSU But its hard to make threats when you are bound by a GoR....

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@KilroyFSU Because Texas replied... "Let's talk expansion in 2025 shall we? Okay then..."

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 3h3 hours ago
@scott2333 I get tired of the Big 12 being so boneheaded. Just expand already. I would love to see a 14 team Big 12 with BYU.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@MHWharton None of the schools in the Big 12 have great need. None have need great enough to risk challenging GoR.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@MHWharton The worst part. I am disappointed with myself for even giving these rumors enough credibility to waste my time & the time of my

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@MHWharton contacts to check them out. So you don't have to tell me how irrelevant I am. I know that as a certified fact.
 
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DudeOfCT said:
As I understand it, the $32MM was money that the ACC already had in possession from withholding payments to Maryland. That makes me suspect that the correct number for leaving the ACC may be much lower.
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Well...the precedent has been set by the $32 million paid by Maryland for the Exit Fee....the GOR would be on top of that.
 
whaler11 said:
We can't have the time of the dude's sources wasted....
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"That's right OU's not going anywhere is it Chewie?"
 
jostar1 said:
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 6h6 hours ago
SEC not interested in challenging Big 12 GoR. No interest in adding OU or any Big 12 school while GoR is in effect.
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8 members vote to dissolve. Problem solved.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 14m14 minutes ago
Time for some crow. Remember when I said I would admit mistakes. Here comes....

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 14m14 minutes ago
I had info about WVU / OU & the SEC. I sat on it - thankfully because it wasn't accurate.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 13m13 minutes ago
No conference in the P5 will challenge another conferences GoR. The SEC will not challenge a GoR.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 12m12 minutes ago
The P5 will be configured as is for the next 9-10 years. No movement. Nobody from the ACC or B12 is going anywhere else.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11m11 minutes ago
None of the P5 conferences will solicit any other member of a P5 conf.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11m11 minutes ago
In 10 years the P5 will likely bargain collectively for a new TV deal. Sum greater than the parts thing.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11m11 minutes ago
At that time there is likely to be some geographic realignment to restore rivalries & such.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 10m10 minutes ago
That's a given. If TV is paying they want the rivalries & with everybody making the same thing there are no drawbacks.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 10m10 minutes ago
If your school has a seat at the table now it will always have a seat at the table.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 8m8 minutes ago
If your school is in the G5 then you have 7-10 years to earn a spot. So quit complaining & get busy.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7m7 minutes ago
It wasn't overly stated but I got the feeling the P5 have called a truce. No poaching allowed.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7m7 minutes ago
By the way I've basically confirmed the ACC GoR is not legally binding because of lack of payment. Doesn't matter. It might as well be.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 6m6 minutes ago
Nobody is leaving the ACC. Nobody is leaving the Big 12. Get used to it.
 
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How on earth can the Dude say he sat on the rumor on WV and OU but yet just recently told everyone they were talking with the SEC. I am sure he is here for comedic relief but maybe we should just put an all out ban on his tweets. Usually if you ignore the crack pot long enough they just fade away under their own unimportance.
 
The Dude is delusional and a moron. He makes stuff up and pretends to have sources. He is some guy who probably has a friend that works for WV and pretends to be important.
 
That's exactly right. And do you think they want another ND on their hands, stealing their bowls and running their own TV deal?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I think the corollary may be true too. The Pac 12 passed on Texas, and has never looked back. I don't see Nebraska allowing the Big 10 to sign up for that mess. Do you think Texas A&M wants Texas in the SEC? The ACC is only P5 league that would even take Texas.
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That's exactly right. And do you think they want another ND on their hands, stealing their bowls and running their own TV deal?
 
MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
Another nail in the B12 coffin? ESPN and ACC set to announce launch of ACC dedicated network ACCN

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
Network is going to be offered on both cable plans and as a subscription streaming network. Hearing around $10 monthly

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
ACCN may kick off coverage with a simulcast of UNC/ Duke bball this coming season with special features on AcCN cast of the game

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
Accn is also securing tons of high school bball and football coverage in conference states and some states outside to bolster demand. Texas

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 53m53 minutes ago
$20 mil per month after 5 years in subs alone. 50% of it straight to ACC. Plus 50% ad revenue and 50% carriage fees.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 49m49 minutes ago
Expected accn to launch in over 90 million homes.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 48m48 minutes ago
40 mil per month in carriage fees 5 mil in advertising revenue Do the math for one year

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 28m28 minutes ago
Just spoke to my source. Clarification on high school games. Those are pending a change in NCAA bylaws that are in the works

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 Question: who will own this network?...will ESPN have 100% ownership? I'm guessing they would

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire hearing acc will receive 50% of ad revenue for first five years and will get 10% vested each year for first 5 years ownership

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 I'm assuming ND & NBC is not part of the deal...correct?

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire not sure on football but other sports will be there.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire also estimating at least $30 mil in ad revenue im year 1 which i think is rather high but espn is going to add network to cable

Murr‏@MurrDCU 1h1 hour ago
@MH ver3 @flugempire any clue on in state and out carriage fees could be?

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 1h1 hour ago
@MurrDCU @flugempire hearing a flat fee of $0.45 across the board.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 19m19 minutes ago
@hawkeyeND @MH ver3 @Genetics56 But I don't think it's an insurmountable hurdle..especially if Raycom provides infrastructure and gets$

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
@flugempire @hawkeyeND @Genetics56 my source tested me back that Random is working with ESPN for benefit if vested interstate in acc

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 20m20 minutes ago
@flugempire @hawkeyeND @Genetics56 he is unsure about the small amount of content other networks own



ME: Will wait for real news reports but if this has any legs...Hoooo, boy! Blows up the theory of "football drives the bus" sky high! UConn could still be admitted. This is how BTN took off. A bunch of crappy football games won't build up a network. You need a collection of sports across the board. Basketball. Lacrosse. Soccer. Baseball. National profile. Sick of football-first yahoos monopolizing the conversation. Time for other sports to get the spotlight. Yes, even at Florida State and Clemson.


MH ver3‏@MH ver3 14m14 minutes ago
@hawkeyeND and FWIW I hate hate hate the ACC. I want to see them fail. They ruined what I thought was WVUs best home: the old Big East

Hawkeye‏@hawkeyeND 14m14 minutes ago
@MH ver3 I still hold out hope the B1G will steal 2 more schools from the ACC; hopefully the GoR is tied to an ACCN that won't materialize

ME: Umm, try the Big 12. I hear Kansas could be had for the right price.
 
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Like I said, I'll wait for actual news before celebrating. But this should be good for college sports, not just the ACC. The goober population in flyover country often forget that college sports is more than just football and basketball.

The Big Ten could add Kansas and Iowa State when the first opportunity comes. UConn and Cincinnati to the ACC.
 
There is no chance.

Let's look at what this nitwit is saying....the ACC Network will launch in 90,000,000 households inside of six months. ESPN is only in 90,000,000 households.

I thought that was the dopiest thing I could possible have read today and then the guy above posted about Iowa State heading to the Big Ten.
 
J187Money said:
Reading this thread while drunk is much different than reading it while sober.

Not necessarily better or worse. Just different.

(Took me a while to type that without errors)
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Somewhere HFD is smiling and nodding, or is passed out with a little drool trickle....it could be either one.
 
Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
@MH ver3 Question: who will own this network?...will ESPN have 100% ownership? I'm guessing they would

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire hearing acc will receive 50% of ad revenue for first five years and will get 10% vested each year for first 5 years ownership

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire acc and ESPN believes by year 5 it will generate 2 million online subs

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire also estimating at least $30 mil in ad revenue im year 1 which i think is rather high but espn is going to add network to cable

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire bundle at a very low rate for max early adoption

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire banking on success of mlb and wwe network online subs

MH ver3‏@MH ver3 2h2 hours ago
@MurrDCU @flugempire hearing a flat fee of $0.45 across the board.
 
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"In 10 years the P5 will likely bargain collectively for a new TV deal. Sum greater than the parts thing."

Yup, the B1G schools are going to say to Wake Forest and TCU and Baylor, look, we know you have small constituencies, so our schools pooled together some money, and we want to share it with you!

Also, .45 flat fee for ACCN? That's it?
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 5h5 hours ago
I'm out... I need a twitter vacation. My mind is blown by the strange journey of the last few weeks. A tale for another day...

Joe McMurphy ‏@JoeMcMurphy · 5h5 hours ago
@theDudeofWV Have fun. See if you can stay away all of next week during media days too.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@JoeMcMurphy Want me to tell you what the B12 will say?

Joe McMurphy ‏@JoeMcMurphy · 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV Ha. No expansion for 7-10 years. Happy at 10 - no viable candidate that moves the money needle available. Heard it all before.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @JoeMcMurphy Serious ? for you. Aren't you tired of the rumors that never pan out? At least 4 rounds of B12 exp rumors that never hit.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 2h2 hours ago
@JoeMcMurphy lots of mixed messages this week. Lots of back & forth. I was basically told to shut up.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @JoeMcMurphy The tweet of the day. Is this why you get Whiplash...and give us whiplash on your ever changing comments?
 
Fishy said:
There is no chance.

Let's look at what this nitwit is saying....the ACC Network will launch in 90,000,000 households inside of six months. ESPN is only in 90,000,000 households.

I thought that was the dopiest thing I could possible have read today and then the guy above posted about Iowa State heading to the Big Ten.
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This stuff has gotten amazing.

That would be $500 million dollars a year in just carriage fees. They have been dragging their feet while sitting on a pot of gold... essentially a network as valuable at launch as the SEC network. .66 cents in 70 million homes.

You'd think if you were going to make something up you'd realize...

if it's in 90 million homes... you wouldn't limit the high school sports coverage to the ACC states.
 
Also if it's in 90 million homes how in the holy hell would there be 2 million more online subscribers?
 
upstater said:
"In 10 years the P5 will likely bargain collectively for a new TV deal. Sum greater than the parts thing."
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Because the thing they want most in life is an antitrust suit.

upstater said:
Also, .45 flat fee for ACCN? That's it?
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Plausible that that's the best they could get in-market -- even that is optimistic. Also they cover at most 20% of the country, so maybe 18 mn cable homes. At $0.45 that would be $97 mn annual revenue, split 50-50 with ESPN and divided 15 ways is $3.2 mn per school. Add out-of-market subscriptions at a much reduced rate, ad and streaming revenue on top, say $4 mn per school.

I wonder if ESPN wants the network so they can bargain down the next ACC contract. They can just say, "If you think your content is worth more than we're offering, move it to the ACCN, see how much you can make selling it." Even if the ACC doubled the revenue at the ACCN, they'd only be getting $8 mn per year. And ESPN would be getting an equal $8 mn per year per school in profit, which could be more than they make from ACC content now.

It would be ironic if that's how it plays out. It would explain why the ACCN discussions have been delayed so that network would be launched just before the next TV contract is getting negotiated.
 
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