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[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
5/29:"Made up talk on Twitter of a Big 12 working on a Conference Network (sunshine pumping) will commence in....7..6..5...4..3..2.."

Yep

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
Does it scare me that I can predict the frauds next set of makes it up as he goes along comments?

Yep it does.

UT leading the charge? No

Kirk Bohls ‏@kbohls · 6h6 hours ago
But without LHN, Texas would probably be in ACC or Pac-12 right now. Careful what you wish for. …

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @kbohls Correct. LHN keeps Texas in B12....But keeps B12 from reaching its potential total growth

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@WesJacksonUSF @chiucfgal Exactly. Texas is not leading the charge of the creation of B12 network..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 @Expansion_Crush @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub anyone who says UT is leading the charge for creation ofB12N does not know B12

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 @Expansion_Crush @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub And Netflix is not interested in getting involved in B12N...Come on dude.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 @Expansion_Crush @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub Netflixis not going away from their core..not doing live content..they said it

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 @Expansion_Crush @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub You gotta make up your mind dude..is Conf networks bad or good?...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 6h6 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 @Expansion_Crush @theDudeofWV @NebGradDubDub There are times when you say bad..and then times you imagine a B12N creation

 

[whaler11]

Did the Dood miss the news where Netflix very publically said they were interested in bidding on sports? For the very obvious reason they are too expensive?

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
@texasdobbs @Mountaineer_Ste All these experts in the know... But B12N with UT is old news to me....

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
@texasdobbs @Mountaineer_Ste All these guys who claim to know... Know nothing like Jon Snow...

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
@texasdobbs @Mountaineer_Ste Yes. I'm holding back into... But darn & golly I'm bursting at the seams to tell.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
All you guys who think UT & OU will jump are missing a big piece of the puzzle. You think you know but you don't.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
The funny thing is it's there right under your nose. I laugh and laugh almost busting at the seams to point it out.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
The truth is that Texas money. They don't care about your revenue. They have it. OU is almost the same.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Texas and OU are the Big 12. 10 like-minded schools with a passion for football. With fans that live & die with the fortunes of their school

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Big 12 football is great. Better than the B1G, ACC & P12.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
You see the B12 can increase revenues easily. They have the most growth potential of anyone. They can offer the largest share too.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Plus UT & OU love the culture. They love that the B12 isn't bloated with parasite schools that drain equal shares without trying to win.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Join a 16 or 18 member B1G and share money they added with 10 schools who do nothing to deserve it.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Mark my words. If ESPN passes on the ACCN you'll see FSU & Clemson in the Big 12 to kick off the 2018 season.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
You really think the Big 12 would start planning a conf network without the blessing of UT & OU?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Or that UT & OU would participate without a plan (expansion dummies) that drastically expands the footprint?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Listen up... A B12 with 12 members, a network and a presence in Fla & SC pulls even in TV money.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
More importantly a Big 12 with FSU & Clemson is very close to SEC quality. 12 members. All football schools (KU is trying).

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Doubt if you will. But where were you when I told you no CCG for B12? Or that the disbursement would be $25m or more.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
I told you about the plans for a B12 network after the last meetings but you didn't believe.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
So don't be surprised to hear about a contract extension for the B12 around 2017 or that the GoR has been extended.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Don't be surprised when the Big 12 is paid a sum by Netflix that makes you cry.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
And don't be surprised when the Big 12 does expand with a big name or two.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Why? Because you clueless people how did the SEC build their brand? Which came first? SEC money or SEC dominance?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Let the Dude clue you in to a universal truth.... TV $ is important but it's only icing. Texas poops $. They have 0 need.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
They have exactly what they want in the Big 12 & it's UT & OU leading the B12 into the future.

 

[pj]

I've never met a university so rich it didn't want more money.

 

[Seaa Blue]

"To infinity and beyond"

I'm pumped.

 

[jostar1]

Jeff or Jeffrey Fann ‏@TalkinACCSports · 28m28 minutes ago
Netflix won't bid on live sports - http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/netflix-wont-bid-on-live-sports.html …

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 12m12 minutes ago
@TalkinACCSports So what are they doing talking to the Big 12?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 18m18 minutes ago
What do you think happens when the B12 talks network at the meetings? Do they ask UT & OU to leave the room?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
Do UT & OU cover their ears & hum to cover up the network talk? Do they make pretend calls to Delaney? No!

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 23m23 minutes ago
UT & OU are leading the Big 12. They get what most of you don't.

John bolster ‏@bolster_john · 15m15 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV ESPN is losing money on LHN unfortunately XII network will have to wait til LHN contract runs out

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @bolster_john Think creatively.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 12m12 minutes ago
Funny how a story on Netflix not bidding on live sports comes out now. So why are they talking to the Big 12 then?

 

[noeynox]

Jeff or Jeffrey Fann ‏@TalkinACCSports · 28m28 minutes ago
Netflix won't bid on live sports - http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/netflix-wont-bid-on-live-sports.html …

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 12m12 minutes ago
@TalkinACCSports So what are they doing talking to the Big 12?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 18m18 minutes ago
What do you think happens when the B12 talks network at the meetings? Do they ask UT & OU to leave the room?

John bolster ‏@bolster_john · 15m15 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV ESPN is losing money on LHN unfortunately XII network will have to wait til LHN contract runs out

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @bolster_john Think creatively.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 12m12 minutes ago
Funny how a story on Netflix not bidding on live sports comes out now. So why are they talking to the Big 12 then?

Dude is on both sides of every issue and has been getting undressed on this lately by Floog. Here someone else steps and his reply is "netflix and the the big12 are talking" with no evidence on his part.

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 9h9 hours ago
Mark my words. If ESPN passes on the ACCN you'll see FSU & Clemson in the Big 12 to kick off the 2018 season.

KilroyFSU ‏@KilroyFSU · 3h3 hours ago
@theDudeofWV How do they get around the GoR?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 34m34 minutes ago
@KilroyFSU That I do not know for sure but go back and carefully read the story on how Swofford convinced FSU to sign the GoR.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 34m34 minutes ago
@KilroyFSU Maybe promises were made to FSU about an ACCN that the ACC denies now.

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 42m42 minutes ago
But let me focus on his statement of UT s****** $$$. Yes, Chris, UT has money and will continue to generate big money. However...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 41m41 minutes ago
...however, UT had big money when SWC collapsed. UT had big money when MIzzou,NEB, CO, TAMU left. Texas having money is not the issue.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 40m40 minutes ago
The issue for the Big 12 is lack of exposure and lack of branding/marketing..and lack of growth in $ for the bottom half of the conference

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 39m39 minutes ago
I could go on for the next 100 tweets on how and why lack of Big 12 branding is crushing the conference long term stability..but I won't....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 38m38 minutes ago
Because my last point on the Dudes rant needs to be made. Dude has stated UT is leading the charge for the creation of the B12 network...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 37m37 minutes ago
The dude mocked others who don't know if this secret plan of the B12...BS. Complete BS. Texas will have nothing to do with. B12 network.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 35m35 minutes ago
Is ESPN/Disney going to allow UT to share content with others such as TCU & Texas Tech, in which FOX holds their 3rd tier rights? BS.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 35m35 minutes ago
For the B12 to build a Conference Network at this particular time they would need to convinced FOX or ESPN to buy back all the rights..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 33m33 minutes ago
...to buy back all the rights of the others. It's not happening. ESPN built the LHN for the specific reason that this would not happen.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 33m33 minutes ago
One of the issues ACCN is having is that ESPN needs to buy back 3rd tier rights from Raycomb and FOX..and do it in a way which still...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 32m32 minutes ago
...which can still lead to profits so the ACCN can dispense money to ACC schools. B12N is not happening. LHN makes it impossible.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 19m19 minutes ago
So the dude finally finds out netflix has no interest in doing live sports..and then ask "why are they speaking to the B12"?.
Geez

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 16m16 minutes ago
Because NETFLIX IS NOT TALKING WITH THE B12!
@theDudeofWV you were told by many peole on twitter Netfix had no interest,but you ignored them

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 15m15 minutes ago
Maybe @thedudeofwv would take a timeout from making things up he could sit down a read a newspaper. Netflix is not talking with the B12.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 10m10 minutes ago
Dude says this:"Funny how a story on Netflix not bidding on live sports comes out now. So why are they talking to the Big 12 then?"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 8m8 minutes ago
Ahhhhhhhh...I get it...Netflix wants everybody to think their not interested in B12n...to keep the price/bidding down
#conspiracy
Delusional

 

[don356]

I love how the dude throws wv in with texas, ou and kansas in terms of value. How many homes in wv do you think get high quality internet that they scan stream netflix?

 

[Huskybite]

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
Let the Dude clue you in to a universal truth.... TV $ is important but it's only icing. Texas poops $. They have 0 need.

.....and the Dude poops total bullsh!t

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@azescobar1 Current thoughts on UCONN have remained the same. All info point ms to 2019 as their B1G window. Longshot...but conditions...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@azescobar1 ...conditions that UCONN needs to happen for a 2019-20 invite are occurring. Again, longshot....but not real...real...real long

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@azescobar1 UCONN needed "live sport content" value to continue to rise ✔️
Needed UMD/RUT additions to be successful ✔️

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@azescobar1 UCONN needed to have public backing plan to increase Research ✔️
UCONN needed GORs to be real..yep...this helps UCONN ✔️

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@azescobar1 Something's still need to bounce correctly for UCONN..but there chances are much better today..much much better than Nov 2011

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@azescobar1 The new B1G Tier 1/2 TV contract will tell us a lot. I do not expect any B1G expansion until 2019/20. But new TV contract..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@azescobar1 ...will give us clues on what-where-who-when on B1G expansion 3 years after start of new contract.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I love how the dude throws wv in with texas, ou and kansas in terms of value. How many homes in wv do you think get high quality internet that they scan stream netflix?

Does UT even know that WVU is in their conference?

 

[UConnTrumbull]

In regards to the probably b.s. rumor about Big12 expansion, I found this quote from the WVU AD regarding expansion,

“I'm in favor of expansion if it's the right two teams to bring in,” he continued. “Obviously for us, it would be nice to have more of an eastern partner, but at the same time, I want to make sure it's the right partner and from a revenue standpoint it doesn't impact us negatively as well by bringing additional partners in.”

http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/29180649/wvu-ad-lyons-talks-key-big-12-issues

Three things that stick out:
1) Big12 is at least discussing the possibility of expansion.
2) WVU prefers an eastern presence (not sure how UT, OU feel about that).
3) Two teams - not four most likely if expansion did happen.

 

[CL82]

“There's a presidential committee that's kind of looking at that as well, but as athletic directors, we try to look at the bigger picture of what actual teams and partners we could bring in that would add value to the conference and that's still being explored,” Lyons said.

“I'm in favor of expansion if it's the right two teams to bring in,” he continued. “Obviously for us, it would be nice to have more of an eastern partner, but at the same time, I want to make sure it's the right partner and from a revenue standpoint it doesn't impact us negatively as well by bringing additional partners in.”

Hate to parse off the cuff comments too much, but it does look like they are looking into bring in two teams, perhaps only one of them in the east.

"So you are telling me we have a chance? I guess we'll know in twenty minutes."

 

[Kolumbo]

Any conference in the cartel could invite any non-cartel program and state it only gets a 20% share of revenue for a stated number of years and it would be accepted. So why don't they do it?

 

[coachcap]

Just a ho-hum thought on a rainy Monday A.M. I thought that I read a while back (regarding Rutgers to B1G) that potential targets have to apply for membership before even being considered. That said, I wonder how many applications the UConn hierarchy have sent out & to whom? Point to ponder.

 

[jostar1]

Russ Sprague ‏@russsprague · 3h3 hours ago
US Map of Nielsen Media Markets

Denver Media market 1,500,000+ bigger then most #B1G markets #CSUFootball #BIG12 http://bl.ocks.org/simzou/6459889

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@russsprague @Expansion_Crush Take a look Daniel, Denver has 750,000 Cable Owners (48-49%)...UCONN another 840,000 cable owners (84%)...

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 2h2 hours ago
@russsprague @Expansion_Crush..throw in other areas of Colorado and New England you get a bit over 2 million cable owners..not bad.

Seanbo Sengo ‏@SeanboSengo · 1h1 hour ago
@flugempire @russsprague @Expansion_Crush How much is CSU's brand worth?
Not much currently in MW, how much more in B1G is the question?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@SeanboSengo @russsprague @Expansion_Crush As Delany has asked the rhetorical question before with the addition of "Rutgers"..

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@SeanboSengo @russsprague @Expansion_Crush ..."how much is Rutgers worth with the Big Ten Brand backing it up"?
Plenty

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
@SeanboSengo @russsprague @Expansion_Crush Both long shots...but Market Size won't keep them out...

 

[pj]

But, CSU is #2 in Denver and isn't in Denver metro area, unlike CU-Boulder ... UConn dominates Connecticut and he wasn't even counting Fairfield County in comparing UConn's and CSU's markets ... add in proximity to NYC and Boston and it is really very lopsided, UConn >>> CSU.

Another consideration is that raising CSU up hurts the Pac12 by diminishing the value of CU. The B1G-Pac alliance has significant value to them and I doubt they'd cross the Pac12.

I still think we lack a partner but are too valuable to leave out of the B1G. They should seriously consider being at 15 for 5-6 years while they wait for the next TV contract reshuffling to free up schools.

 

[HuskyHawk]

But, CSU is #2 in Denver and isn't in Denver metro area, unlike CU-Boulder ... UConn dominates Connecticut and he wasn't even counting Fairfield County in comparing UConn's and CSU's markets ... add in proximity to NYC and Boston and it is really very lopsided, UConn >>> CSU.

Another consideration is that raising CSU up hurts the Pac12 by diminishing the value of CU. The B1G-Pac alliance has significant value to them and I doubt they'd cross the Pac12.

I still think we lack a partner but are too valuable to leave out of the B1G. They should seriously consider being at 15 for 5-6 years while they wait for the next TV contract reshuffling to free up schools.

It's not about CSU vs UConn, it's about whether CSU is a suitable partner for UConn. I think that if CU were available, the B1G would certainly have interest. I don't think they are so friendly with the Pac12 that they'd be unwilling to compete in Denver.

I can't shake the sense that wheels are in motion again, which is good for UConn.

 

[Seaa Blue]

It's not about CSU vs UConn, it's about whether CSU is a suitable partner for UConn. I think that if CU were available, the B1G would certainly have interest. I don't think they are so friendly with the Pac12 that they'd be unwilling to compete in Denver.

I think Delany would have a chat with Larry Scott before bringing CSU on board. CSU isn't worth a rift with the Pac.

 

[jostar1]

Jeff Cobb ‏@Jeffery_Cobb · 33m33 minutes ago
@mattsarz Matt are you hearing Netflix is in talks with the Big12 to broadcast sports? Netflix denies it but I'm hearing otherwise.

Matt Sarzyniak ‏@mattsarz · 31m31 minutes ago
@Jeffery_Cobb Have not heard it. Can I ask where you heard it? Re/code published something re: Netflix not interested in live events.

Jeff Cobb ‏@Jeffery_Cobb · 27m27 minutes ago
@mattsarz Heard it from @theDudeofWV he might be able to shed some light on source.

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @Jeffery_Cobb @mattsarz Just email me. I'll fill you in. Came out after I found out B12 was inquiring about ending T3 deals with 3rd parties

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 26m26 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 The sugar bowl deal added $ to the B12 coffers whereas exp would have not. The deal is for 3 years with 2 option years

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 25m25 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 When the B12 made that deal they had no plans for a network. They would lose $ by expanding.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 25m25 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 And they believed the lack of a CCG would not hurt them.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 So now what's changed. The talk of a B12N makes expansion profitable. The lack of a CCG hurt - at least this year.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 And the SEC doesn't care anymore because of The SECN. Adding FSU or Clemson doesn't add $.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 So the landscape has changed.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 24m24 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 Now FSU still has $ issues. While everyone says there is no link to the ACC GoR & ACCN the denials are not believable

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 23m23 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 Why? Because the ACC cannot or will not say what schools received in return for signing it. It's a mystery.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 22m22 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 But every source in the ACC believes that if the ACCN is not running by 2017 then FSU is gone.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 22m22 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 Plus there is evidence to suggest that the B12 resumed talking to FSU last oct.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 20m20 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 What don't you understand about the ACCN thing? ESPN knows it must bite or FSU walks.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 18m18 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 The SEC will not add FSU. Why? Duplication of market. Pie / 16 < pie /14 (FSU 0 SECN value)

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 17m17 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo @Don_304 Its that simple. My real point in telling about FSU was that UT & OU were the B12 pitchmen.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 12m12 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo my opinion but I don't think ESPN can let FSU walk by passing on ACCN. Without FSU they are way overpaying for ACC football.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 10m10 minutes ago
@SeanboSengo because of you drill down on the ACC metrics you'll see that 3 or 4 ACC schools account for 90% of value.

 

[Fishy]

Another consideration is that raising CSU up hurts the Pac12 by diminishing the value of CU. The B1G-Pac alliance has significant value to them and I doubt they'd cross the Pac12.

1) Colorado State is never going to the Big Ten. It's ridiculous to even consider it as a possibility.

2) The Big Ten/Pac 12 alliance that has such significant value to them doesn't exist. If the Big 10 wanted Colorado, they would take Colorado.

 

[Seaa Blue]

2) The Big Ten/Pac 12 alliance that has such significant value to them doesn't exist. If the Big 10 wanted Colorado, they would take Colorado.

Gotta disagree with you there Fishy. As co-owners of the Rose Bowl, the Big Ten / Pac 12 alliance is huge. Tradition wins in that case, even if it doesn't matter much anywhere else.

 

[Fishy]

Gotta disagree with you there Fishy. As co-owners of the Rose Bowl, the Big Ten / Pac 12 alliance is huge. Tradition wins in that case, even if it doesn't matter much anywhere else.

Absolutely meaningless.

Completely, positively meaningless.

They don't own the Rose Bowl and when they tried an actual alliance it fell apart in ten months.

And tradition is gone - Florida State played in this year's Rose Bowl.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Absolutely meaningless.

Completely, positively meaningless.

They don't own the Rose Bowl and when they tried an actual alliance it fell apart in ten months.

And tradition is gone - Florida State played in this year's Rose Bowl.

Pasadena owns the stadium, Big/PAC effectively own the event.

The alliance fell apart because of PAC's need to pad their home schedule with cupcakes that will actually put some butts in seats and draw some viewership. The keys being: they will not give up a home game and they want to win all out-of-conference games. Collectively they have to have the out-of-conference wins to counter the SEC's head start every year in the rankings. And coaches want their bonuses for bowl games...

The tradition is not gone. It's been mangled a bit, but still remains the most significant right of passage for a conference champion.

 

[NickyNewark]

Absolutely meaningless.

Completely, positively meaningless.

They don't own the Rose Bowl and when they tried an actual alliance it fell apart in ten months.

And tradition is gone - Florida State played in this year's Rose Bowl.

Just hearing FSU was in the Rose Bowl this year makes me wince...ughh.

 

[pj]

1) Colorado State is never going to the Big Ten. It's ridiculous to even consider it as a possibility.

2) The Big Ten/Pac 12 alliance that has such significant value to them doesn't exist. If the Big 10 wanted Colorado, they would take Colorado.

1) If the population of Colorado were 11 million instead of 5.4 million, CSU would be a highly attractive candidate for the B1G. I agree they're not going to the B1G, my post gave the reasons why. But the school itself is strong academically and the market is large enough that the #1 school would be attractive. Unfortunately for CSU Colorado is not big enough to make 2 schools P5 moneymakers.

2) Apart from historic relationships, with the new P5 autonomy leagues want to have friends in other leagues so they can be in the 60% voting group and not have their interests obstructed by a coalition of other leagues. This could have the effect of tamping down realignment that damages another league.

 

[Fishy]

Pasadena owns the stadium, Big/PAC effectively own the event.

The alliance fell apart because of PAC's need to pad their home schedule with cupcakes that will actually put some butts in seats and draw some viewership. The keys being: they will not give up a home game and they want to win all out-of-conference games. Collectively they have to have the out-of-conference wins to counter the SEC's head start every year in the rankings. And coaches want their bonuses for bowl games...

The tradition is not gone. It's been mangled a bit, but still remains the most significant right of passage for a conference champion.

There's no alliance between the Big 10 and Pac 12 and they do not own the Rose Bowl by any accepted definition of ownership.

When an ACC team gets to play in the Rose Bowl and a Big Ten team doesn't, that should have been enough of a clue right there. (Over the past decade or so, Miami, Texas and TCU have all won the Rose Bowl.)

 

[AZHuskiePop]

1) If the population of Colorado were 11 million instead of 5.4 million, CSU would be a highly attractive candidate for the B1G. I agree they're not going to the B1G, my post gave the reasons why. But the school itself is strong academically and the market is large enough that the #1 school would be attractive. Unfortunately for CSU Colorado is not big enough to make 2 schools P5 moneymakers.

2) Apart from historic relationships, with the new P5 autonomy leagues want to have friends in other leagues so they can be in the 60% voting group and not have their interests obstructed by a coalition of other leagues. This could have the effect of tamping down realignment that damages another league.

Colorado is two small.
But Alabama, Kansas,Washington,Oregon,Iowa ,Miss,Kentucky,Oklahoma, South Carolina ,are big enough to support two P5 teams ,and Indiana three.