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FfldCntyFan said:
WVU has value enough to move?
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The Dood like most fan boys always sets the value of their program way higher than the rest of the general public does.

WVU ended up in the one conference(prior to The ACC taking Louisville)that placed little value on markets but instead almost entirely on the percieced TV value of a school's football program at that exact moment of expansion.

It is foolish to say that WVU is one of 4 schools with options, when you consider that they have been turned down by both The ACC and SEC, while having no shot at The B1G or PAC. If by options he means The AAC, then yeah WVU has "options."
 
TerryD said:
You might think I am being sarcastic, but I am not. I think that rifle competition is the only national championship that WVU has ever won. They have won several, I believe.

Not much "value" generated by that sport, though.
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Their mascot carries a rifle for cripes sakes. They should be embarrassed if they're not winning national championships in the sport.
 
Hoophound said:
WVU was more valuable before. Now they are just another mid level P5 school. No way WVU gets invited anywhere better. They are at their high water mark.
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Sadly I agree. They are much like Utah. A smaller population school that dominated in a lesser percieved conference. To their credit, much like The Utes, they won the big bowl games against power conference schools when they were matched up in them. Now that they have settled in to a stronger conference, you see their results evening out.

WVU could dominate The Big East by running a great offensive scheme, and recruiting good athletes from Florida, Md, and PA. Now they are having to match up with Texas Recruiting, while at the same time being far removed from games played in their old recruiting grounds. It is a difficult road for them. They 100% belong in The ACC where they could fill a second tier with VPI, GT, Miami, and Ville, but The ACC was too stupid/stubborn to do the right thing.
 
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TerryD said:
You might think I am being sarcastic, but I am not. I think that rifle competition is the only national championship that WVU has ever won. They have won several, I believe
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Well, that's at least one more than an ex-BE school we'd like to join in a really B1G way. Not the lack of national championships mind you, but nonetheless B1G.
 
Ldandy said:
Sadly I agree. They are much like Utah. A smaller population school that dominated in a lesser percieved conference. To their credit, much like The Utes, they won the big bowl games against power conference schools when they were matched up in them. Now that they have settled in to a stronger conference, you see their results evening out.

WVU could dominate The Big East by running a great offensive scheme, and recruiting good athletes from Florida, Md, and PA. Now they are having to match up with Texas Recruiting, while at the same time being far removed from games played in their old recruiting grounds. It is a difficult road for them. They 100% belong in The ACC where they could fill a second tier with VPI, GT, Miami, and Ville, but The ACC was too stupid/stubborn to do the right thing.
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I agree WVA is in a tough spot .
Removed from their number 1 rival ,sitting out on an island
If I were a West Va fan ,I would be cheering for a huge B12 expansion.
Maybe Six Teams, including UConn ,and UCinn,and at least one Fla team, and Maybe even Memphis.
Making that conference National is their best hope long term.
 
Being in a less than ideal spot is not the same as being in a tough spot.

Must be miserable having Texas, OU, Baylor, Okst playing in your stadium every other year.

UConn is in a tough spot that will only get tougher once the exit fee money dries up.
 
whaler11 said:
Utah will be fine in the PAC-12.
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If by fine you mean secure, then yes they will be fine. That said thier days of playing in BCS Caliber games are likely over. Small price to pay for peace of mind.
 
Ldandy said:
If by fine you mean secure, then yes they will be fine. That said thier days of playing in BCS Caliber games are likely over. Small price to pay for peace of mind.
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No I mean they have a very strong athletic program. 2 very good coaches and might not be in the playoff anytime soon but they were 9-4 last season.
 
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 9m 9 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub By the way. I heard the writer of the KC column you directed to me do an interview this afternoon.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 7m 7 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub He made the point that UT & OU still have the clout & that may never change but no dissension.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 7m 7 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub He did say KU had tons of bad blood towards Neb. & the two may never play again.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 4m 4 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub Also I spoke with my BTN source today. Made him pinkey swear nothing was up. He reminded me the B12 has a GOR in place.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 4m 4 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub He said very clearly the only B12 school worth going to court over was Texas & Texas isn't interested. His words.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 3m 3 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub So brother. I done double & triple checked for you. Inquired high & low. All sources gave the same answer.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 3m 3 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub If the B1G tries expansion it will target the ACC.
 
jostar1 said:
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 9m 9 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub By the way. I heard the writer of the KC column you directed to me do an interview this afternoon.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 7m 7 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub He made the point that UT & OU still have the clout & that may never change but no dissension.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 7m 7 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub He did say KU had tons of bad blood towards Neb. & the two may never play again.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 4m 4 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub Also I spoke with my BTN source today. Made him pinkey swear nothing was up. He reminded me the B12 has a GOR in place.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 4m 4 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub He said very clearly the only B12 school worth going to court over was Texas & Texas isn't interested. His words.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 3m 3 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub So brother. I done double & triple checked for you. Inquired high & low. All sources gave the same answer.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 3m 3 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub If the B1G tries expansion it will target the ACC.
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Because the ACC doesn't have a GOR?
 
BoatShow said:
Because the ACC doesn't have a GOR?
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Because his WVU is screwed if the XII gets raided by the B1G/SEC/PAC since the Mountaineers two logical alternate partners (ACC and SEC) have already rejected them.
 
BoatShow said:
Because the ACC doesn't have a GOR?
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Or they have more teams worth going to court over. Though the idea that the B1G wouldn't be interested in Kansas or Oklahoma over all but a couple of ACC schools is confusing to me.
 
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub The ? about the ACC GoR is can a state school assign rights without receiving due compensation?

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub They key, I'm told, in the Big 12 GoR is two things. First the schools received a bonus for signing it.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub And the agreement that both the GoR and the forfeit of TV money is not punitive. They all signed it.... every one.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub I'm told the ACC GoR could be successfully challenged if members did not receive due consideration.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub In that case the battle would be over the definition of due consideration which usually is cold hard cash.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub The ironic part of this is it was a B1G source who explained why the Big 12 GoR is so solid and the ACC's ?

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 2h 2 hours ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub The bottom line its too much of a risk to even consider breaking a GoR. No school would try & no conf would either.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub Plus the only P5 conf without a GoR is the SEC. the fear is that once a GoR is challenged the barn door is open.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub I spend 6 months tracking down GoRs and how they might be challenged.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub I believe it was UVA who told the B1G about the lack of due consideration for the ACC GoR. FSU's BoT rumblings also.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub But Swofford apparently was careful not to link the GoR with ACCN. If ACCN were a promise to secure the GoR (cont)

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub Then if ESPN rejects ACCN the GoR is invalidated.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub I'm sure since the Big 12 advised the ACC on the GoR.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub Yea... another smart move by Swofford who has consistently outmaneuvered the SEC, B1G and Big 12 to stay intact.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub The other item ensuring no one challenges the GoR is the collision between the ACC-SEC-B12.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub The SEC doesn't want the B1G or B12 in their territory so they convinced the B12 not to expand.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@mkw_14 @NebGradDubDub In tern the ACC - which isn't a threat to the SEC - stays intact and the B12 stays intact.
 
You wouldn't think an insane person could be defined as being on 'tilt', but here we are.

He's a week away from telling us aliens in a volcano in Waco determine conference realignment and they are partial to Baylor and the Big 12.
 
When your sources are every site on the Internet, it's no surprise that every day brings new opinions.
 
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
To those foolishly arguing about the Big 12's GoR last night. I give you the Big 12's bylaws. pic.twitter.com/NKTwJ6pveI



Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
The key part in that segment is the withdrawing member will not get any payments but is still bound by the GoR.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Notice here that the bylaws separate the GoR provision from the withholding of funds plus adds some more teeth... pic.twitter.com/OqLHol1yqT



Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
What this says is that if any school leaves the B12 before the GoR has expired not only do the rights remain but the members agree that

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
leaving would damage the Big 12 and the departing school would be forced to pay the conf damages (cont)

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
damages as defined as the $ they would have received for the remaining term of the GoR.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
This is the buyout & doesn't negate the GoR which is clearly still in effect... the last part of that is a killer.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
It says that all members agree that these provisions are not punitive.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Also in the bylaws is a little ditty that says if any member is contacted by another conference they have to notify the conf of contact.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Or guess what.... damages....

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
So in the Big 12 GoR we have terms that each member agreed to... consideration n the form of the bonus & ongoing compensation.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
The terms of the bylaws (which is a contract) are legal & each president of every Big 12 school has signed it.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
So the price tag of leaving the Big 12 is no tv rights for the term of the GoR + about $450 million.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
I'm going to be mean on this one. I'm going to be rude.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
If you think for one second the Big 12 GoR would ever be challenged you are an idiot.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
I said if you believe for one second that the Big 12 GoR would be challenged you are a total & complete IDIOT.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Why because a GoR has a mountain of case history supporting it & in contract law if you signed it & its not illegal then its valid.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
Again a meeting of the minds occurred, legal terms were agreed to, the GoR & bylaws were signed & consideration was given. End of story.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@NebGradDubDub Two years ago I spoke to the attorney who actually wrote the book on GoR used in most law schools. He has since passed away.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@NebGradDubDub But he reviewed the Big12 GoR and the bylaws and he said no attorney would ever tell a client the Big 12 GoR could be

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
@NebGradDubDub successfully challenged.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
I'm sorry to hurt feelings and I don't mean to offend. But the very thought of the Big 12's GoR being challenged is batshit crazy.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
No school would take the risk. No conference would take the risk. The risk can't be justified.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h 1 hour ago
So the next time you hear someone say, or write on a message board or Twitter, that the Big 12 is vulnerable- call bullshit.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 58m 58 minutes ago
(By the way the ACC GoR is modeled after the Big 12 GoR & you can expect similar language in the ACC bylaws).

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
So produce just one attorney... just one who is willing to go to court to challenge it. You can't.

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub · 10m10 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV here is an attorney from Phoenix Myth of the Big 12's Grant of rights http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ge/myth-of-the-big-12s-grant-of-rights-010313 … via @FoxSports

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 14m 14 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub @FOXSports I've read that...it's wrong.. Find a single attorney who would advise it could be successfully challenged.
 
So, any school leaving the Big 12 will forfeit/pay the league about HALF a Billion $$$. And Maryland (remember the ACC modeled their GoR after the Big 12) paid less than 50 Million. I'm sure that one will hold up in court.:rolleyes:
 
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