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Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub · 5h5 hours ago
@theDudeofWV @flugempire @RedhawkLand @Expansion_Crush BTN pays out an extra 2 million per schools with a hockey team. Just sayin

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV @RedhawkLand @Expansion_Crush Yep. But big question is does Delany and BTN offer Arizona St the 2 mil per year?

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire @NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV @RedhawkLand @Expansion_Crush If Arizona St does choose the Big Ten for Hockey...there will be a domino effect

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 4h4 hours ago
@NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV @RedhawkLand @Expansion_Crush Hockey is just not filler. It not FB or BB...but on a conf network it's valuable

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Never thought of the whole B1G + ESPN effect on the ACCN. Maybe Delany will take a few peanuts less to negotiate with ESPN in hopes that it will tick off a few ACC schools and lure them out. It's fun to speculate.

UVA, GT -> Big Ten
UNC, VT -> SEC
Miami, FSU, Clemson, NC State, Louisville, Notre Dame -> Big XVI

"Big XVI"

Miami, Louisville, Notre Dame, TCU
FSU, Clemson, West Virginia, NC State
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor
Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State

"New ACC"

Syracuse, Boston College, Connecticut, Temple, Duke, Pitt, Cincinnati, Wake Forest, South Florida, Central Florida

"New AAC"

ECU, Memphis, Navy, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Rice


This is assuming that the Big Ten and Disney get back into good graces and the Four-Letter monster "allows" two ACC schools to bolt there. What would happen next is they move to protect other valuable properties by moving them into the SEC. So UNC and V-Tech go there. Finally, Fox opens its wallets to bring a bunch of schools to solidify and remake the BXII. The new BXVI might be able to snag the Orange Bowl contract, which would further damage the ACC's prestige. This would be the worst-case scenario for the ACC that I see. Even then, I don't see the Big Ten taking UConn if they could get two more ACC schools, so you might end up reuniting with mostly former Big East and AAC schools.

With that said, I doubt it would ever come to that point.

 

[whaler11]

You are listening to the Dood and Floog happy fun time insanity hour.

Underrated dynamic is them trying to build cred by referring to the other 'knowing who their contacts' are. Your unnamed fantasyland contact seems so much more legit when you pretend Dood has blessed them.

 

[billybud]

There is now the beginning of an anti Swofford rumbling among FSU, Clemson, and GT fans. While I do not think that it will ultimately have an affect on CR, it might on Swofford's continuance as Commissioner.

The NCAA has now stated that it is looking at a time period for UNC academic irregularities that include the last four years of Swofford's term as UNC AD.

In Oct. of 2014 he defended his tenure in public. But it has also been reported two years ago when the investigation seemed to be not as serious, that he helped represent UNC in front of the NCAA. It was the first time as commissioner that he helped any member institution this way. The message boards called it out as "odd" and "UNC centric" at that time, but I don't think we knew that the years in question (when he helped represent UNC in front of the NCAA) included his time as UNC AD. Since these events, the NCAA investigation against UNC has gotten more serious and the recent penalties against Syracuse has raised concerns about how severe they could be against UNC. But things have gotten quiet. For now. I expect a spanking for UNC.

While some may say that it makes sense for Swofford to assist a conference member, FSU, GT, and Clemson folks point out that he did not lift a finger for their programs. And worse, he led the charge of the UNC/Tobacco Road crew to add additional penalties (beyond the NCAA's) on Clemson. Tiger fans have not forgotten.

Swofford has always been tied to UNC/Tobacco Road by the football schools and that tie could bite him if he is judged to be part of the UNC problem.

And, to the satisfaction of many...Christian Laettner has confirmed the bias in ACC officiating in favor of Duke...The Tobacco Road bias that the non Tobacco Road members have been oh so sure of for years


“I think it started a little bit after my time there. But I will be honest with you and tell you even when I watch Duke play today, I’m like ‘Ugh, gosh, did they call a charge?’ Too much. And especially at Cameron, they do get some of those calls. But when it’s a neutral gym or opposing, it’s not quite as bad. But there are times where I’m even like ‘Jeez, did we get this much of a benefit of the doubt from the refs when I was playing?’ And everyone says yes.”



http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/christian-laettner-duke

 

[upstater]

The NCAA has now stated that it is looking at a time period for UNC academic irregularities that include the last four years of Swofford's term as UNC AD.

Given the stuff Emmert presided over at LSU and especially at Washington, I don't think he wants to set this kind of precedent.

 

[nd73]

There is now the beginning of an anti Swofford rumbling among FSU, Clemson, and GT fans. While I do not think that it will ultimately have an affect on CR, it might on Swofford's continuance as Commissioner.

The NCAA has now stated that it is looking at a time period for UNC academic irregularities that include the last four years of Swofford's term as UNC AD.

In Oct. of 2014 he defended his tenure in public. But it has also been reported two years ago when the investigation seemed to be not as serious, that he helped represent UNC in front of the NCAA. It was the first time as commissioner that he helped any member institution this way. The message boards called it out as "odd" and "UNC centric" at that time, but I don't think we knew that the years in question (when he helped represent UNC in front of the NCAA) included his time as UNC AD. Since these events, the NCAA investigation against UNC has gotten more serious and the recent penalties against Syracuse has raised concerns about how severe they could be against UNC. But things have gotten quiet. For now. I expect a spanking for UNC.

While some may say that it makes sense for Swofford to assist a conference member, FSU, GT, and Clemson folks point out that he did not lift a finger for their programs. And worse, he led the charge of the UNC/Tobacco Road crew to add additional penalties (beyond the NCAA's) on Clemson. Tiger fans have not forgotten.

Swofford has always been tied to UNC/Tobacco Road by the football schools and that tie could bite him if he is judged to be part of the UNC problem.

And, to the satisfaction of many...Christian Laettner has confirmed the bias in ACC officiating in favor of Duke...The Tobacco Road bias that the non Tobacco Road members have been oh so sure of for years


“I think it started a little bit after my time there. But I will be honest with you and tell you even when I watch Duke play today, I’m like ‘Ugh, gosh, did they call a charge?’ Too much. And especially at Cameron, they do get some of those calls. But when it’s a neutral gym or opposing, it’s not quite as bad. But there are times where I’m even like ‘Jeez, did we get this much of a benefit of the doubt from the refs when I was playing?’ And everyone says yes.”



http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/03/christian-laettner-duke

After last nights game I was amazed what I witnessed.

 

[CL82]

I have to admit that I would find a "show cause" penalty against Swofford to be particularly satisfying.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

If we say no to B10 hockey why would they ever ask again? We cannot say no. A no means we stay in the Aac forever.

I agree if UConn gets asked to the B1G as a hockey only
The road to full acceptance ,is that much easier.
They can't turn that down.

 

[Husky25]

I agree if UConn gets asked to the B1G as a hockey only
The road to full acceptance ,is that much easier.
They can't turn that down.

Do you pay MSRP on a new car too?

 

[dayooper]

Do you pay MSRP on a new car too?

Depends on how much in demand the car is and how much I need it. We paid asking price for our house when we bought it because houses in our price range were being snapped up before we could even see them and we needed to move fairly quickly.

 

[MattMang23]

Depends on how much in demand the car is and how much I need it. We paid asking price for our house when we bought it because houses in our price range were being snapped up before we could even see them and we needed to move fairly quickly.

Houses are often shown to and bid on by more than one entity. Buying at the asking price or even over if the seller can spark a bidding war happens quite often.

Cars are different. When you're at the negotiating table, you're the only entity looking to make the deal. If you get it at asking price you've done poorly.

 

[dayooper]

Houses are often shown to and bid on by more than one entity. Buying at the asking price or even over if the seller can spark a bidding war happens quite often.

Cars are different. When you're at the negotiating table, you're the only entity looking to make the deal. If you get it at asking price you've done poorly.

But how does buying a car relate to UConn joining the Big10 for hockey only? I understand where Husky is going, but I don't think it's accurate. They can give that spot to someone else and completely lose out on the chance to get your foot in the door.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Do you pay MSRP on a new car too?

Depends on how much in demand the car is and how much I need it. We paid asking price for our house when we bought it because houses in our price range were being snapped up before we could even see them and we needed to move fairly quickly.

Your right the market determines price.
A fact even recognized by the 13th century Spainish Dominicans.
Even Adam Smith didn't get that right so 25 is in good company.
Apparenly He has a very basic knowledge of economics,(especially the management of Risk) negotiation and the fraternity of atrue tconference. He also is a poor chess player.. But we are all able to learn new things daily so there is hope.
PS note to Huskey25
(Don't be mad I'm only goofing on you. I actually liked your post)
I grew a thick skin in my 40+year career. It's a necessary asset.
I'm an East coast guy ,were busting b*lls is an art form.
It's amazing how sensitive these westerners are. the BY is the only place I can have fun.

 

[MattMang23]

But how does buying a car relate to UConn joining the Big10 for hockey only? I understand where Husky is going, but I don't think it's accurate. They can give that spot to someone else and completely lose out on the chance to get your foot in the door.

Full disclosure: I didn't read anything above your post, so I probably didn't give full attention to the analogy. I'm prone to do that.

But if offered B1G hockey we can't turn it down, you're correct. The foot in the door method is always better.

 

[pj]

It would be amazing if they took UConn hockey without men's and women's basketball. If they do those three, then they may as well take the Olympic sports. But then they have to help us with our football situation.

Somebody suggested football help of a Notre Dame type deal, 6 B1G games a year and we're #15 when they find a #16. Football goes independent. Some of the lesser B1G bowls are open to us. That would be a great deal, and fine for the B1G.

 

[NEforceUConn]

So half pregnant, kind of.

 

[Kolumbo]

For the love of God, can we stop it with all this partial membership nonsense? It's bad enough we are in a lousy conference, and that the lousy conference isn't even regional. UCONN is not getting invited to any P5 conference on partial membership terms.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

For the love of God, can we stop it with all this partial membership nonsense? It's bad enough we are in a lousy conference, and that the lousy conference isn't even regional. UCONN is not getting invited to any P5 conference on partial membership terms.

Lighten up .
This is CR board were every speculatative bit of info is treated like an oasis , to this caravan of thirsty fans. We create imaginary houses and then proceed to argue over decoration decisions for each room of this non existent house.
Why ,because imaginary scenarios help us to deal with a harsher reality.
How could you possibly take any board seriously where the star is a West Virginia
Tweeter or is it Tweeker, working out of his mother's basement.
If not for this intended our unintended diversion we would all be driven to insanity.
Okay some of us have already made the trip.

 

[TruDomGopher]

Why does stopping by here always remind me of when I had to sit through Waiting for Godot?

DELANY: Let's add UConn for hockey only!
FOX: Why?
DELANY: Hockey's our best live programming on Friday.
FOX: Yes it is, Jim--we've got hundreds of viewers. What about basketball?
DELANY: Who cares about basketball?
FOX: New England, America--UConn's the premier brand in the premier winter sport.
DELANY: Naw, NYC is overrated and UConn's a pretentious mid-major.
FOX: So what's this really about?
DELANY: Some guy is stalking my assistant. I think if we add UConn for hockey, he'll go away.
FOX: Jim, love ya, baby, but seriously dude, you need to get a life.

Wake me up when the inevitable full invite is extended.

 

[Stinger92860]

Why does stopping by here always remind me of when I had to sit through Waiting for Godot?

DELANY: Let's add UConn for hockey only!
FOX: Why?
DELANY: Hockey's our best live programming on Friday.
FOX: Yes it is, Jim--we've got hundreds of viewers. What about basketball?
DELANY: Who cares about basketball?
FOX: New England, America--UConn's the premier brand in the premier winter sport.
DELANY: Naw, NYC is overrated and UConn's a pretentious mid-major.
FOX: So what's this really about?
DELANY: Some guy is stalking my assistant. I think if we add UConn for hockey, he'll go away.
FOX: Jim, love ya, baby, but seriously dude, you need to get a life.

Wake me up when the inevitable full invite is extended.

When it comes to a vision and execution, I would take my chance with Jim.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/s...-makes-investment-in-college-hockey.html?_r=0

 

[Kolumbo]

Lighten up .
This is CR board were every speculatative bit of info is treated like an oasis , to this caravan of thirsty fans. We create imaginary houses and then proceed to argue over decoration decisions for each room of this non existent house.
Why ,because imaginary scenarios help us to deal with a harsher reality.
How could you possibly take any board seriously where the star is a West Virginia
Tweeter or is it Tweeker, working out of his mother's basement.
If not for this intended our unintended diversion we would all be driven to insanity.
Okay some of us have already made the trip.

I hear ya. My thirst for a glimmer of hope is unmatched. I just wish there were some real discussions taking place, however brief, which we could seriously follow. Anything with substance. Bueller? Anyone?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

For the love of God, can we stop it with all this partial membership nonsense? It's bad enough we are in a lousy conference, and that the lousy conference isn't even regional. UCONN is not getting invited to any P5 conference on partial membership terms.

Alcoholism, conference realignment, and being a UConn fan is a lethal combination...

 

[pj]

For the love of God, can we stop it with all this partial membership nonsense? It's bad enough we are in a lousy conference, and that the lousy conference isn't even regional. UCONN is not getting invited to any P5 conference on partial membership terms.

You are overlooking the sensible nature of this idea. The only schools that the B1G would pair with UConn are in the ACC or B12 and locked up by GoR for ten more years. Yet, UConn brings huge markets in New England and New York and is worth a lot of money to the B1G - we would be non-dilutive (revenue neutral) even at the large payouts being discussed and would be of great strategic value locking up the northeast corridor.

However, you can't have 15 football schools while playing a 9-game schedule, and the B1G will not want to be forced to a 10-game schedule in order to make a marginal add. A Notre Dame like football deal solves the football scheduling issue. It also allows the B1G to set conditions to full membership, such as upgrading the football stadium or building an on-campus stadium or gaining AAU status, while improving UConn's situation.

 

[TruDomGopher]

Is it really sensible? I hear what you're saying, but the Big Ten has always been an "an all for one and one for all" conference. I can see very limited partial membership situations--Johns Hopkins for lacrosse because they blend in nicely for research and only have the one D1 sport, lacrosse, and with the tight ties to the Pac12, I can see the B1G helping Pac12 schools launch hockey.

But--BUT--if the B1G starts adding and offering by particular sports for TV purposes only, they become Texas on steroids and have totally left intercollegiate athletics and academics for purely running a television business. That's not the Big Ten I've know for my 50+ years on the planet and it's a completely different philosophy than the one that kept the B1G the most stable conference in history.

UConn is a fast-rising flagship school with (arguably) the best basketball brand in America. There are only two ways this ends: you either get into the B1G relatively soon, or you end up waiting out the GORs and get pulled as backfill into another power conference, probably the ACC. Either way, full membership, all sports. Period.

 

[pj]

Is it really sensible? I hear what you're saying, but the Big Ten has always been an "an all for one and one for all" conference. I can see very limited partial membership situations--Johns Hopkins for lacrosse because they blend in nicely for research and only have the one D1 sport, lacrosse, and with the tight ties to the Pac12, I can see the B1G helping Pac12 schools launch hockey.

But--BUT--if the B1G starts adding and offering by particular sports for TV purposes only, they become Texas on steroids and have totally left intercollegiate athletics and academics for purely running a television business. That's not the Big Ten I've know for my 50+ years on the planet and it's a completely different philosophy than the one that kept the B1G the most stable conference in history.

UConn is a fast-rising flagship school with (arguably) the best basketball brand in America. There are only two ways this ends: you either get into the B1G relatively soon, or you end up waiting out the GORs and get pulled as backfill into another power conference, probably the ACC. Either way, full membership, all sports. Period.

I see it more like the partial payouts Nebraska and Rutgers got during a phase-in period. UConn would be getting a full invite, it just would have a phase-in period while it waits for the inevitable #16 as a partner.

If a full invite were given without a #16, then something would have to be done to deal with the 15 school 9 game football scheduling issue. That would require 67.5 games to be played. Either the B1G would have to go to a 10 game schedule, or UConn would have to play an altered schedule (6, 8, or 10 B1G games). I think migrating the whole B1G to a 10-game schedule is infeasible on the time scale we're talking about. If UConn football is playing a number of games that is not the same as the other schools, you have to come up with special rules to decide UConn's eligibility for bowls and the conference championship. As a new invite, surely UConn would be disadvantaged relative to the existing B1G schools.

Personally, I'd love to play 10 football games in the B1G and have 1 win not count in the standings for bowl purposes; but I don't think B1G teams will want extra trips to Connecticut, so I think they go for a reduced football schedule of 6 or 8 games. If 8 games, UConn is treated as having an extra loss to judge eligibility for bowls and CCG. If 6 games, it's independent but with a formula for bowl eligibility.

I think the B1G sees UConn and the northeast as strategically important and won't want to wait ten years to begin building its brand in the northeast. Waiting has two major risks: UConn's brand decays leaving the B1G without a valuable prospect in the northeast; or UConn joins another conference and becoming inaccessible. So they will add UConn early, somehow. I also think it's likely they'll need to wait 10 years or close to it to add Va Tech or whoever #16 is, as they won't want major litigation and their TV partners will not want their other properties raided. So there will be no #16 for a while. They'll have to do some special deal for UConn football.

The wild card in this is AAU status. If that is really essential, then UConn is 10 years away, and the B1G will stay at 14 to give time for the GoRs to expire and UConn to prove itself in football and research. But, if they choose the waiting strategy, I believe UConn will still be a live candidate for the B1G. It won't be the case that our only chance for B1G membership is now, and if not added now we're doomed to backfill a depleted ACC.

 

[Kolumbo]

You are overlooking the sensible nature of this idea. The only schools that the B1G would pair with UConn are in the ACC or B12 and locked up by GoR for ten more years. Yet, UConn brings huge markets in New England and New York and is worth a lot of money to the B1G - we would be non-dilutive (revenue neutral) even at the large payouts being discussed and would be of great strategic value locking up the northeast corridor.

However, you can't have 15 football schools while playing a 9-game schedule, and the B1G will not want to be forced to a 10-game schedule in order to make a marginal add. A Notre Dame like football deal solves the football scheduling issue. It also allows the B1G to set conditions to full membership, such as upgrading the football stadium or building an on-campus stadium or gaining AAU status, while improving UConn's situation.

The thing of it is, these are just ramblings of blog posters. If you could quote just one AD or President in the B1G who is remotely thinking the same thing, then OK. But we really have no idea what they are strategizing. I love the terms, "locking up the northeast corridor" though. Sounds very commanding.

 

[TruDomGopher]

pj, understand what you're saying--but from my perspective it get's all so. . .Notre Dame. And too much of the Catholic school stuff has rub off on UConn already. Now I'm lighting candles everyday trying to get y'all out of purgatory. . .

 

[MattMang23]

pj, understand what you're saying--but from my perspective it get's all so. . .Notre Dame. And too much of the Catholic school stuff has rub off on UConn already. Now I'm lighting candles everyday trying to get y'all out of purgatory. . .

So much appreciated.

 

[pj]

pj, understand what you're saying--but from my perspective it get's all so. . .Notre Dame. And too much of the Catholic school stuff has rub off on UConn already. Now I'm lighting candles everyday trying to get y'all out of purgatory. . .

Notre Dame seeks a permanently advantaged position. UConn would have a temporarily disadvantaged position which we would eagerly accept because of its superiority to our present position. I think the temporary nature of it is the key. The B1G would still be a collection of equals, just with a transition period.

Thanks for your support!

 

[TruDomGopher]

"I think the more educational we are, the more sustainable we are. . .When you monetize everything that can be monetized, it opens up the discussion about what you do as your primary purpose, of what you're about. So I think the more you go into that commercial area of exploitation, the more you're going to get these questions raised. . .the dialogue ought to be about education. It ought to be about opportunities. It ought to be about fairness. It ought to be less about, you know, return on investment and year over year and all that." Jim Delany, February 2015

Delany, of course, is just the spokesman for the 14 presidents/chancellors of the Big Ten, but there has been some real soul searching going on with the academic/athletic internal politics, the O Bannon suit, and what not. I know Kaler has remarked on this as well.

I can't pull the info off the top of my head, but somewhere back in time--and I think this may have had to do with the decision to bypass Missouri--one of the top dogs, if not Delany himself--said that the B1G had made the conscious decision that they would not be "conference busters" and would limit expansion invites to one only from a conference. Now that was some time ago, but I suspect they are going to continue with that philosophy.

Which begs a most interesting question: Would the Big Ten take two ACC teams? Could they say no if UVa and VT wanted to double team or nothing, or what if UVa and UNC both wanted in? Would they say "no" and then try to pair one with UConn?
I don't know the answer, but I do find the question interesting. I think there are some scenarios where the B1G would have trouble saying "no" too, even if the long term implications are bad. Kinda like me at the bar on Saturday night at closing time. . .