You really don't know? How about they, along with several other "so called football schools" wanted a football school so the ACC took Pitt instead.
I don't like FSU because of that and some of the players run in with the law.
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You really don't know? How about they, along with several other "so called football schools" wanted a football school so the ACC took Pitt instead.
I don't like FSU because of that and some of the players run in with the law.
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Yeah I get that, but it's not only FSU that kept us out. Thank our neighbors to the north for that too
I hate them too, along with Miami,Clem.,etc. a pox on them all. Have to laugh at FSU having the ACC to petition to have conferences pick their own champ. Can't earn it on their own.
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Eventually all the crap that they have been able to get away with will eventually catch up to them, then they will be like Miami. The inmates can only run the asylum for so long.
You and FSU would have lynched him if you had the chance.
FSU led the charge on the last go around. It would have been UConn and not Louisville. It would have been UConn instead of Pitt due to BCU. Either way UConn got screwed by both of them. Although I have to admit that Louisville is certainly competitive athletically, if not academically. But academics make absolutely no difference to the ACC it has been proven.
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The difference between BC and FSU in all of this is that BC specifically targeted UConn. FSU was just against the addition of any northern school that was not a football first school that could potentially weekend their brand and reduce their potential chances to get voted into the bowls/playoffs. Plus, FSU does not want any more allies for the Tobacco Road crew within ACC politics. FSU would have voted against Cincinnati, BC/Syracuse/Pitt if they had not already been brought in previously, etc.
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Pitt was brought in with the Duke, UNC lobby....
Mr. Conehead is exactly right...a football power, already fighting the public perception of how weak the ACC football schedule is, did not particularly want another northeastern basketball first school. The ACC had, at the time, a political split with UNC-Duke pretty much running the show but with some other schools chafing at the UNC-Duke centeredness.
Clemson, Miami, VT and GT joined with FSU and lobbied for a more balanced program regarding football. Louisville was acceptable to the basketball oriented Duke and UNC.
It was nothing personal regarding UConn (as it is with BC), it was a business need to bolster the football side of the board. ESPN (with 80% of contract money generated by football) offered the input that it was better football matches that would allow for more media money. And, at the time, the football programs of the ACC were concerned about losing their seat at the BCS (and talked about P5) table.
ESPN overcame Duke-UNC when they presented to Swofford that increased monies depended on football matches. The ACC brass had projections for each potential addition. And football was the driver.
"For example, in this latest contract with ESPN, 80 percent of it is generated by football," Phillips told TigerNet.com. "As good as basketball has been in the ACC, it is very evident just through this contract that the football has to be very, very relevant."
Mr. Conehead is exactly right...a football power, already fighting the public perception of how weak the ACC football schedule is, did not particularly want another northeastern basketball first school. The ACC had, at the time, a political split with UNC-Duke pretty much running the show but with some other schools chafing at the UNC-Duke centeredness.
Clemson, Miami, VT and GT joined with FSU and lobbied for a more balanced program regarding football. Louisville was acceptable to the basketball oriented Duke and UNC.
It was nothing personal regarding UConn (as it is with BC), it was a business need to bolster the football side of the board. ESPN (with 80% of contract money generated by football) offered the input that it was better football matches that would allow for more media money. And, at the time, the football programs of the ACC were concerned about losing their seat at the BCS (and talked about P5) table.
ESPN overcame Duke-UNC when they presented to Swofford that increased monies depended on football matches. The ACC brass had projections for each potential addition. And football was the driver.
"For example, in this latest contract with ESPN, 80 percent of it is generated by football," Phillips told TigerNet.com. "As good as basketball has been in the ACC, it is very evident just through this contract that the football has to be very, very relevant."
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So you are saying that ESPN told the ACC we'll pay for Louisville to be added to your conference but not UConn.
You 'ers did this to us ESPN after you took our money to build out your campus.
Just come and ask us for more money, I dare you!
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So, if UConn gets an invite to the B1G, everyone will have gotten what they wanted. The ACC will have gotten "football matches" with Louisville, Pitt, and Cuse and the B1G will have gotten the East Coast markets from DC through New England. UConn will be quite happy in the B1G, and Pitt/Cuse/Ville/BC in the ACC.
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The only real bright spots that I can see if that the Big Ten has a renegotiating coming and the ACC hopes to sell a network in our area.
As far as bright spots go, they're both very dim, but any port in a storm.
As far as bright spots go, they're both very dim, but any port in a storm.
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Nothing brightens a dim light like darkening skies. . .
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
I've been asked how does this CT unionization bill for athletes in public colligate revenue sports (UCONN WWB/MBB/FOOBALL) effect future?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
poorly if its UCONN goal to enter into Big Ten Conference at about 2019. Susan Herbst will shoot this Bill down in public.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
Unionization at UCONN means players become employees, which means they can be dismissed for perceived poor performance on the playing field.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
This is exactly what Delany and the Big Ten Presidents voted against this weekend...assuring 4 year schollys. This Unionization Bill....
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
..might be best for UCONN long term, can be argued with valid points.But for entry into Big Ten Unionization of ATH is a wall, not a hurdle.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
Susan Herbst - President of UCONN will cripple this bill in public. This Unionization Bill is working against what she has been working on
I've been asked how does this CT unionization bill for athletes in public colligate revenue sports (UCONN WWB/MBB/FOOBALL) effect future?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
poorly if its UCONN goal to enter into Big Ten Conference at about 2019. Susan Herbst will shoot this Bill down in public.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
Unionization at UCONN means players become employees, which means they can be dismissed for perceived poor performance on the playing field.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
This is exactly what Delany and the Big Ten Presidents voted against this weekend...assuring 4 year schollys. This Unionization Bill....
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
..might be best for UCONN long term, can be argued with valid points.But for entry into Big Ten Unionization of ATH is a wall, not a hurdle.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
Susan Herbst - President of UCONN will cripple this bill in public. This Unionization Bill is working against what she has been working on
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Maybe it is nothing personal as you state, but it seems that you, more than most, should understand the reason that UConn fans have an unfavorable view of FSU.
If I recall correctly, you still hold a grudge against Maryland despite 1) the events in question occurred 25 years ago, 2) Maryland only opposed expansion, 3) they obviously were not able to influence the other conference members, 4) after they lost the expansion vote, Maryland did vote for FSU's inclusion, 5) at the time, FSU would have been able to join the SEC had they not been able to get into the ACC, 6) you have indicated that you would have preferred that FSU join the SEC anyway. 7) See number 1.
So given the above, it seems to me that UConn fans' reactions against FSU, including Buddy's, have been relatively tame.
Also, it is unfortunate that football is apparently the driving force in CR and the P5 autonomy, with its poison wreaking havoc on college athletics.
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Terp...it is what it is.
The American public loves watching football. Blame the watching habits of Americans. It is a maxim that you get what you reward.
I don't expect UConn fans to like FSU. Or Boston College, or Pitt, or Syracuse, or the ACC, or the SEC. And if the B1G expands and doesn't add the Huskies, you will be able to add the Big Ten to the list.
The American public loves watching football. Blame the watching habits of Americans. It is a maxim that you get what you reward.
I don't expect UConn fans to like FSU. Or Boston College, or Pitt, or Syracuse, or the ACC, or the SEC. And if the B1G expands and doesn't add the Huskies, you will be able to add the Big Ten to the list.
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Nole, I also blame the powers that be who should know better and who already have enough money. But because of utter greed, are doing there best to destroy something good.
As for what you expect, it wasn't clear from your posts, and will just leave it at that.
As for what you expect, it wasn't clear from your posts, and will just leave it at that.
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If it was basketball driving the money bus and it was the UConns, Georgetowns, Dukes, etc banded together in leagues with all of the money and football schools like FSU, Bama, and Clemson were on the outside...I'd bet the fans of these football schools would be just as unhappy with the shakeout. I know I would be in that crowd.
The landscape has changed fairly rapidly and it caught the ACC flatfooted....basketball was king in terms of revenue...then it all changed.
"When I took over as commissioner of the ACC (in 1987), I'd say 75 percent of our money came from basketball," former ACC Commissioner Gene Corrigan said. "It's hard to imagine that now. We had to fight and claw to get into the Bowl Alliance and BCS. I don't think many people wanted us or the Big East."
The landscape has changed fairly rapidly and it caught the ACC flatfooted....basketball was king in terms of revenue...then it all changed.
"When I took over as commissioner of the ACC (in 1987), I'd say 75 percent of our money came from basketball," former ACC Commissioner Gene Corrigan said. "It's hard to imagine that now. We had to fight and claw to get into the Bowl Alliance and BCS. I don't think many people wanted us or the Big East."
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Back when universities were academic enterprises instead of business/money-laundering enterprises, they wouldn't have sacrificed everything to ephemeral money flows. If basketball was king 20 years ago and football is king today, who is to say that things might reverse in another 20 years? If the money-maximizing groupings are ephemeral, shouldn't there be some emphasis on geographical contiguity, cultural fit, and traditional rivalries?
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I have always thought that rivalries and regionality is very important to a conference....
One of the strengths of the SEC is the homogeneity of their conference.
The Big Ten, as THE Midwestern conference had that same solid base.
One of the strengths of the SEC is the homogeneity of their conference.
The Big Ten, as THE Midwestern conference had that same solid base.
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When I was a boy in the 1950's...baseball was America's game. Mantle, Maris, Pee Wee, Duke, the Say Hey Kid...
People stopped work to watch the World Series...Servicemen in my dad's generation asked baseball questions to verify a stranger in the dark during WWII.
Baseball is who we once were. Football is who we have become.
People stopped work to watch the World Series...Servicemen in my dad's generation asked baseball questions to verify a stranger in the dark during WWII.
Baseball is who we once were. Football is who we have become.
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I think you are missing point BB. Not inviting us, eh we're not happy but no hard feelings. Actively trying to damage our athletics program, oh it's on.
I don't think anyone begrudges Pitt for being a back up choice. Nor for the most part do people care that FSU looked to support their football interests. (FWI, I view their vote as "pro" FSU football, rather than anti-UConn) BCU, however, is a whole different kettle of fish. They can't compete with us on the field so they are trying to hurt our program any other way they can. They are the great Satan. FSU, however, I think is just viewed an amoral outlaw institution in general.