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[jostar1]

Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 5h 5 hours ago
@ssteele55 when it finally happens, there is no doubt UCF will be the first addition to the Big 12

 

[Husky25]

So let me get this straight. Nothing is happening. No one is talking. Nothing is being planned. BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT that a team who is not being talked about or planned for will be added? Okay. I guess.

 

[Dooley]

I would hop firmly on the "Warde Sucks" bus if UCONN ever signs a GOR with the AAC. Luckily, the chances of that happening are as likely as UCONN's chances of winning the 2014 national championship...in football.

 

[Dooley]

Yup, UCF, USF, Cincinnati and ECU to the B12 so that the AAC and C-USA can merge into a 20 team clusterf--k of would follow Rule 1 of CR: all things CR must kick UCONN in the nutsack.

 

[Kolumbo]

How crazy is this. Nebraska and Colorado back to the Big 12. Nebraska is no longer AAU anyway so that makes sense. Now that the P5 have essentially separated themselves, going back to the Big 12 only solidifies that conference, and Nebraska brings the football draw the Big 12 is looking for. Nebraska would get to play their old rivals in their own time-zone again. Sure, Colorado doesn't bring much, but it may prefer to play closer to home too. Hey, you never know.

 

[tzznandrew]

How crazy is this. Nebraska and Colorado back to the Big 12. Nebraska is no longer AAU anyway so that makes sense. Now that the P5 have essentially separated themselves, going back to the Big 12 only solidifies that conference, and Nebraska brings the football draw the Big 12 is looking for. Nebraska would get to play their old rivals in their own time-zone again. Sure, Colorado doesn't bring much, but it may prefer to play closer to home too. Hey, you never know.

Yes. In this case we do know: it ain't happening. That would be the least sensical thing any school made. Yes, let's take less money and go back to the conference with the school we hate. Sounds great.

 

[Kolumbo]

Yes. In this case we do know: it ain't happening. That would be the least sensical thing any school made. Yes, let's take less money and go back to the conference with the school we hate. Sounds great.

Doesn't everyone hate notre dame? yet everyone would kill to have ND in their conference. Now that everyone has put their greed cards on the table, you never know what craziness will happen next. Without Texas, the Big 12 is gone. That is the lure of the horns.

 

[pj]

In retrospect, the B12 had a great conference with Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, A&M. Would be ironic if Texas chased them all away, then Texas decided itself to leave for greener pastures.

 

[Kolumbo]

In retrospect, the B12 had a great conference with Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, A&M. Would be ironic if Texas chased them all away, then Texas decided itself to leave for greener pastures.

Big 12 keeps saying they would only invite a school which would bring in at least the average of $25 mill or whatever the figure is. Let's see Tejas bolt and watch that average take plummet. I'm sure most of the other schools would welcome expansion no matter what the hit is to the bottom line. Security, not short term profits, should be their main concern.

 

[clmssun]

In retrospect, the B12 had a great conference with Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, A&M. Would be ironic if Texas chased them all away, then Texas decided itself to leave for greener pastures.

I was just going to type the same thing...

 

[tzznandrew]

Doesn't everyone hate notre dame? yet everyone would kill to have ND in their conference. Now that everyone has put their greed cards on the table, you never know what craziness will happen next. Without Texas, the Big 12 is gone. That is the lure of the horns.

You're focusing on the wrong part. I agree that greed is the name of the game...and Nebraska makes way more money in the B1G. And Colorado makes very good money in the Pac.

 

[HuskyHawk]

How crazy is this. Nebraska and Colorado back to the Big 12. Nebraska is no longer AAU anyway so that makes sense. Now that the P5 have essentially separated themselves, going back to the Big 12 only solidifies that conference, and Nebraska brings the football draw the Big 12 is looking for. Nebraska would get to play their old rivals in their own time-zone again. Sure, Colorado doesn't bring much, but it may prefer to play closer to home too. Hey, you never know.

In a logical world that would happen. And they'd take Utah with them, and invite Nevada as well. WVU would be kicked out and would join the ACC with UConn. Missouri and A&M would also go back to the Big 12. If conferences valued competition and athletics, that's what we'd see. Or ideally, conferences would go to no more than 10 in size, and we'd be closer to where we were in the 70's. None of this will happen, but it should.

 

[clmssun]

In a logical world that would happen. And they'd take Utah with them, and invite Nevada as well. WVU would be kicked out and would join the ACC with UConn. Missouri and A&M would also go back to the Big 12. If conferences valued competition and athletics, that's what we'd see. Or ideally, conferences would go to no more than 10 in size, and we'd be closer to where we were in the 70's. None of this will happen, but it should.

If B1G or SEC ever make the "brilliant", "strategic", "lucrative" decision to go to 18 or 20 (or more) teams).... well, wait a few years and those conferences will pare back down to the appropriate 8-12 teams per conference. I am still not buying 16 teams in a conference. If CCG deregulation passes, I think we could see 15, however, and UConn would quickly have a seat within B1G or ACC.

 

[Fishy]

I don't know if there is an ideal number for a conference.

If you have a network, inventory means live content and live content means cash...in that instance, more is better.

At what point those returns start to diminish, I don't know.

I don't think CCG deregulation moves the needle for us at all - no one will move to 15 football schools.

 

[Dooley]

I don't think CCG deregulation means that UCONN will get an accelerated invite. But I do think it should be viewed as welcome news by UCONN fans in that it removes a barrier to help UCONN get out of AAC purgatory: the ol' 'you-need-a-partner' barrier.

It's not preferable to have an odd number of teams for scheduling but the B1G did go through a long stretch where it had 11 members. It's not the top choice, but it also isn't the worst thing in the world.

All that said, UCONN still needs to play catchup on the research end, endowment and jumpstarting our flatlined football program before we go anywhere.

 

[bobbyinaz]

I don't think CCG deregulation means that UCONN will get an accelerated invite. But I do think it should be viewed as welcome news by UCONN fans in that it removes a barrier to help UCONN get out of AAC purgatory: the ol' 'you-need-a-partner' barrier.

It's not preferable to have an odd number of teams for scheduling but the B1G did go through a long stretch where it had 11 members. It's not the top choice, but it also isn't the worst thing in the world.

All that said, UCONN still needs to play catchup on the research end, endowment and jumpstarting our flatlined football program before we go anywhere.

THE B1G IS NEVER GOING TO 15 SCHOOLS.

The Western schools are already bitching that with the UMD & RU additions they are playing OSU, Mich, PSU & Mich St less than they have in the past. Any new expansion (to 16 teams) will need to be a huge needle mover in terms of dollars & will likely drive them to a 10 game conference schedule in order to try and offset the fact that the schools in the West division will not see the East schools as frequently as in the past.

There are many things that could cause the next round of expansion but anyone who believes that the Conference Championship Game issue is our way out is being ridiculous and is wasting their breath & energy in trying to think this is welcome news to UConn

 

[Dooley]

THE B1G IS NEVER GOING TO 15 SCHOOLS.

The Western schools are already bitching that with the UMD & RU additions they are playing OSU, Mich, PSU & Mich St less than they have in the past. Any new expansion (to 16 teams) will need to be a huge needle mover in terms of dollars & will likely drive them to a 10 game conference schedule in order to try and offset the fact that the schools in the West division will not see the East schools as frequently as in the past.

There are many things that could cause the next round of expansion but anyone who believes that the Conference Championship Game issue is our way out is being ridiculous and is wasting their breath & energy in trying to think this is welcome news to UConn

Never said it was our way out...just said it removed a potential barrier. They could, in THEORY, add UCONN now and wait until some GORs expire in other conferences. Pick the low hanging fruit before somebody else does maneuver.

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 6h 6 hours ago
The push to get Dave Brandon out started in mid September. Again...read my tweet on September 23rd in regards to Brad Bates (BC-AD)

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 6h 6 hours ago
I will give more information on all of this @theDudeofWV new Expansion Forum next week. @theDudeofWV was also privy to this info on 9/23.

 

[pj]

I don't think CCG deregulation moves the needle for us at all - no one will move to 15 football schools.

If we were attractive enough, they would.

The ACC de facto went to 15 with Notre Dame. Scheduling their 5 games a year is just as difficult as scheduling a 15-team league.

Not saying we are attractive enough.

 

[bobbyinaz]

If we were attractive enough, they would.

The ACC de facto went to 15 with Notre Dame. Scheduling their 5 games a year is just as difficult as scheduling a 15-team league.

Not saying we are attractive enough.

How is scheduling 5 out of conference games spread across 14 teams just as difficult as scheduling a 15 team conference?

It's not even close to being as difficult

 

[clmssun]

With CCG deregulation, there is no constraint on "division" structure; by eliminating divisions, the implementation of "fair" and "balanced" schedules becomes much easier.

With 15 teams: Each team plays 2 annual rivals every year (hence the "annual rival" designation). In odd-years, teams play "Half A" (one group of 6 of the 12 remaining teams). In even-years, teams play "Half B" (other group of 6 of the remaining 12 teams). (Yes, for each team the composition of "annual rivals", "Half A", and "Half B" is unique, and it is *not* tied to "divisions" or "pods".)

An even number of conference games is inherently more "fair" than an odd number of conference games. (Equal quantity of home and away conference games)
-- If the B1G goes to ten conference games (to reach an even number), that leaves *2* games for OOC. Keep in mind there are presently 125 in FBS and 65 in P5. So the B1G could conceivably intermingle with the rest of the country twice a year????

With the method I described above, *everybody* plays *everybody* over the course of two years. Therefore, Iowa and Wisconsin end up playing Ohio State and Michigan more frequently in that structure than in the present structure even if not "annual rivals". (With two divisions, this *requires* the ten-game schedule [not 9] to ensure that with 14 teams, and a ten-game schedule is insufficient to ensure that with 16 teams.)

The issues at hand are not limited to Iowa and Wisconsin losing games with Ohio State and Michigan. Now Ohio State and Michigan are forced to play Maryland and Rutgers every year. Many Buckeyes are not enamored of this, either. Presuming Maryland and/or Rutgers are not designated as "annual rivals" for Ohio State and/or Michigan, the 15-team league with 8 conference games featuring 2 annual rivals resolves all of these issues. ("15" also addresses issues about "expansion partners" and the limited pool of "desirable candidates" for expansion).

The only problem I can think of with a 15-team league is that you never have the whole conference playing one another at a given time on the schedule. And that is just not that big a deal: Don't forget that ACC had 9 for awhile, B1G had 11 for awhile, ACC basketball now has 15, Big East basketball used to have 17.

 

[Fishy]

If we were attractive enough, they would.

The ACC de facto went to 15 with Notre Dame. Scheduling their 5 games a year is just as difficult as scheduling a 15-team league.

Not saying we are attractive enough.

Just stop.

You know how hard it is to work in five non-conference game against Notre Dame?

Really easy. The hardest part is counting the gate receipts.

No one is moving to 15 teams in football.

Never.

You can find John Swofford on record as saying specifically that 15 is "illogical" and that the ACC will only add a 16th if and when Notre Dame decides to enter the conference.

 

[clmssun]

Just stop.


You can find John Swofford on record as saying specifically that 15 is "illogical" and that the ACC will only add a 16th if and when Notre Dame decides to enter the conference.

I'd be curious to find that quote. Under the current "championship game regulation", absolutely, 15 is "illogical". (Even though MAC has often had 13, and it has required -- and been granted -- a waiver by NCAA to have the odd number of teams and still have two divisions and a championship game).

If Swofford said 15 was illogical while arguing for CCG deregulation, I'll shut up. I am unaware of when and in what context he said that.

 

[Fishy]

"There is no need to add a 16th team to the league," Swofford said. "From a practical standpoint it really is illogical." Swofford pointed out that adding a 15th member would only cause imbalance with the ACC’s football divisions, which will remain at seven teams apiece.

 

[pj]

You know how hard it is to work in five non-conference game against Notre Dame?

Really easy. The hardest part is counting the gate receipts.

Yes, and it's just as easy to work in a 15-team conference if you play an even number of conference games annually. You can program a computer to spit out schedules a myriad of ways.

All they need is the projected gate receipts and TV receipts to motivate the move. There's no technical barrier to a 15-team conference. If Notre Dame wanted to join the ACC on condition of staying at 15 teams, the ACC would be delighted to take them.

 

[pj]

"There is no need to add a 16th team to the league," Swofford said. "From a practical standpoint it really is illogical." Swofford pointed out that adding a 15th member would only cause imbalance with the ACC’s football divisions, which will remain at seven teams apiece.

He didn't say 15 teams was illogical - he said 16 was. He said 15 would lead to imbalanced divisions, which is currently prohibited. But with deregulation, it would no longer be prohibited. It could certainly be logical. As I say, if Notre Dame wanted to be #15, it would happen in a heartbeat, with or without a #16.

 

[whaler11]

He didn't say 15 teams was illogical - he said 16 was. He said 15 would lead to imbalanced divisions, which is currently prohibited. But with deregulation, it would no longer be prohibited. It could certainly be logical. As I say, if Notre Dame wanted to be #15, it would happen in a heartbeat, with or without a #16.

Yes and 16 gives them 15 football teams. If ND wanted in it would take them 5 seconds to get a 16.

 

[Fishy]

He didn't say 15 teams was illogical - he said 16 was. He said 15 would lead to imbalanced divisions, which is currently prohibited. But with deregulation, it would no longer be prohibited. It could certainly be logical. As I say, if Notre Dame wanted to be #15, it would happen in a heartbeat, with or without a #16.

You're not stupid....what happens to you when you post here?

Time to actually deal with reality and stop trying to parse the living s--- out of everything to make it fit your wishes and hopes.

Sword said adding another team is illogical.

He didn't mean in the context of a championship game or divisions or any other of the fairy-dust sprinkled scenarios you're trying to fashion.

No Notre Dame = no expansion.

Period.

 

[pj]

You're not stupid....what happens to you when you post here?

Time to actually deal with reality and stop trying to parse the living s--- out of everything to make it fit your wishes and hopes.

Sword said adding another team is illogical.

He didn't mean in the context of a championship game or divisions or any other of the fairy-dust sprinkled scenarios you're trying to fashion.

No Notre Dame = no expansion.

Period.

I don't disagree with that. What I said is that IF Notre Dame, then expansion -- even if no attractive #16 is available. If ESPN would not pay up for a 16, the ACC would be happy to take Notre Dame and stay at 15.

Likewise, if a sufficiently attractive (read: income-enhancing) school were available, every conference would go to 15.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Here's the thing: The Big Ten already committed to playing their conference schedule through 2019. Therefore, if they want to make a change they would change it beginning in the 2020 season. That's almost five years from now. Five years is a freaking long time in modern sports. They'd need to have data as to how the 9-game schedule with 14 teams (and two static divisions of 7 teams) would pan out. I don't think they could predetermine an answer right now since they have yet to start the 9-game schedule.