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Gregory D. M. K. ‏@GregGregoryKJ 4h
@theDudeofWV I agree that the Big 12 is a GREAT conference. That's not the point. Where will WVU be in a dozen years? It's more speculation.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h
@GregGregoryKJ I’m trying to be diplomatic. WVU will be in a power conference in 12 years. They will be in one 25 years from now.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h
@GregGregoryKJ If more realignment occurs in the future & the Big 12 doesn’t survive then WVU will be in either the SEC or Big Ten.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h
@GregGregoryKJ If that happens I expect divisions or pods to be formed along geographical lines.

Gregory D. M. K. ‏@GregGregoryKJ 2h
@theDudeofWV Thanks Chris. I wasn't trying to bust your balls. I was assuming you would say Big 12, SEC or ACC, not the B1G.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h
@GregGregoryKJ Few people know that WVU was approached to be a partner with Neb. Many won’t relieve it but WVU could commit to AAU status.

Expansion Crush ‏@expansion_crush 1h
@theDudeofWV @GregGregoryKJ WVU is high research.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h
@expansion_crush @GregGregoryKJ WVU has raised $670 of a $750 million goal to improve academics & hired lobbyists to help increase research.

Gregory D. M. K. ‏@GregGregoryKJ 5m
@theDudeofWV @expansion_crush That's awesome! I went there from '88-'93 and like to hear things like that. Academics are often forgotten.


ME: Wow! Who knew that coal and moonshine could bring that much money to the university? The B1G really missed the boat on that one! ;)


On a more interesting note, according to Land Thieves, Boren in an interview with Sooner Sports said that he would like to see the Big 12 go back to 12 teams again and that he wanted to bring Louisville into that conference.

http://www.landthieves.com/board/sh...ally-tied-the-room-together-did-it-not/page71

It may not be a sure thing but one never knows...
 
Wow, if people seriously think that WVU will ever hold any academic cache, never mind AAU status...it's hard to imagine what kind of a delusional life they lead allows them to even think that this is within the realm of possibility.
 
auggie22 said:
The footprint that gives BC credit for all of Massachusetts?

BC is widely despised in state. I am an alumni and i despise them. UMASS amherst alumni number in the hundreds of thousands and they despise BC. BU alumni are similarly numerous and they despise BC. Ditto Northeastern. And there are probably tens of thousands of UCONN alumni, or ( like me ) CT natives in state that despise BC. In fact, i would wager that the VAST majority of the sports watching population in MA hate BC. BC has a relatively small alumni base in state. The Everyman does not identify with them. The bandwagon UNC or Hurricane fans, plus the tiny alumni populations from all of the ACC schools combined, would not come close to offsetting the forces working against you here.

A cable company would be teasing a rattlesnake if they tried to bundle the ACCN on their basic tier.

If your hope in the ACC network lies in having symapthetic or even indifferent cities such as Boston - or states such as MA - looking the other way while their cable bill increases... well... good luck.
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Agree Stimps banking on a bogus footprint....same goes for NY...Cuse gets credit for the whole state? There lucky to get Central NY....NYC is now B1G country as they have the only school in the Demo and huge alum support. I dont see the ACC as having a real footprint out of NC/Va they can rightfully claim? So funny these huge numbers he thinks we'll buy lol. Its like the MAC claiming territory that is really B1G country...Maybe NBC will take on the MAC and its huge footprint.
 
TerryD said:
But they have been in the same state for how long?

Virginia politics forced Virginia Tech into the ACC. Will it keep them there?
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Texas A & M or a better word "business". If Bob Barker says come on down, loyalty is out the door.
 
Are we talking 2027? I don't know if I'll still be alive to see the VT move.
 
Nicky, if we are going to be completely candid, the B1G made an identical miscalculation on Rutgers' persence in the NYC market as the ACC did on BC in Boston. At least the ACC can blame their miscalculation on the fact that BC does have Boston in its name.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
Nicky, if we are going to be completely candid, the B1G made an identical miscalculation on Rutgers' persence in the NYC market as the ACC did on BC in Boston. At least the ACC can blame their miscalculation on the fact that BC does have Boston in its name.
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Huh? How did the Big10 make a miscalculation? They got full coverage for the BTN in NYC. That's what they were after. What miscalculation are you talking about?
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Nicky, if we are going to be completely candid, the B1G made an identical miscalculation on Rutgers' persence in the NYC market as the ACC did on BC in Boston. At least the ACC can blame their miscalculation on the fact that BC does have Boston in its name.
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They've gotten money in NYC, and at least the B1G could have fallen back on Rutgers pulling in NJ if it didn't work out. Which it has. Surely, some of that is fans from out of state, but the B1G wasn't going to get enough money for the B1G Network without Rutgers.
 
NickyNewark said:
Agree Stimps banking on a bogus footprint....same goes for NY...Cuse gets credit for the whole state? There lucky to get Central NY....NYC is now B1G country as they have the only school in the Demo and huge alum support. I dont see the ACC as having a real footprint out of NC/Va they can rightfully claim? So funny these huge numbers he thinks we'll buy lol. Its like the MAC claiming territory that is really B1G country...Maybe NBC will take on the MAC and its huge footprint.
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They have a pretty good footprint they can call theirs. It's not the 90 million people that Swofford touts, but they have some clout.

In my opinion, they have a good presence in the following: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida. I guess they can claim Boston, but that's a stretch. NYC? Not so sure, but 'Cuse is better than having nothing, so there's that.
 
[QUOTEit's dayooper, post: 1033061, member: 3859"]The reason they pushed VPI to The ACC wasn't to keep them together, but to ensure VPI's place in major athletics. Going to a conference like The Big10 would keep them there. If I remember correctly, I think most of those politicians are gone now, but I could be wrong on that.[/QUOTE]
While it's true some are gone UVA &VPI deal with a totally different governance structure than say UT & T. A&M. The Texas schools are the flagships of their own university system & don't really care to deal with each other. While the VA schools fall under one board with UVA having the most influence . They colloborate on many initiatives that benefit the state as a whole & I doubt their board will do anything to rock the boat. This also applies to UNC/NCSU
 
auggie22 said:
The footprint that gives BC credit for all of Massachusetts?

BC is widely despised in state. I am an alumni and i despise them. UMASS amherst alumni number in the hundreds of thousands and they despise BC. BU alumni are similarly numerous and they despise BC. Ditto Northeastern. And there are probably tens of thousands of UCONN alumni, or ( like me ) CT natives in state that despise BC. In fact, i would wager that the VAST majority of the sports watching population in MA hate BC. BC has a relatively small alumni base in state. The Everyman does not identify with them. The bandwagon UNC or Hurricane fans, plus the tiny alumni populations from all of the ACC schools combined, would not come close to offsetting the forces working against you here.

A cable company would be teasing a rattlesnake if they tried to bundle the ACCN on their basic tier.

If your hope in the ACC network lies in having symapthetic or even indifferent cities such as Boston - or states such as MA - looking the other way while their cable bill increases... well... good luck.
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BC’s biggest sport in terms of passion is prestige is Hockey. Thus, there biggest rivalry is BU, hands down followed by Northeastern. As a graduate of BU’s MBA program, I can tell you that no one roots for BC in anything, including football and basketball. Most BU sports fans root for the ‘big’ program from where they originate from or one of the national brands. If UConn was ever to play BC again in football, BU would pull for UConn. Ditto for Northeastern, which is where my wife graduated from. As both BU and Northeastern are a lot larger than BC (18K & 13K v 9K) plus throw in UMass grads (UMass is in another state according to most Bay State residents) and all of the other colleges in metro Boston (Harvard, MIT, Tufts, UMass Boston, etc.) and transplants from everywhere else, like UConn, and there is no way that BC owns Boston and Massachusetts. I would bet that in a survey, ND would be the biggest college ‘brand’ in Boston and would place far behind the other big brands in Boston, i.e. the Red Sox, Pats, Celtics, & Bruins.
 
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dayooper said:
The reason they pushed VPI to The ACC wasn't to keep them together, but to ensure VPI's place in major athletics. Going to a conference like The Big10 would keep them there. If I remember correctly, I think most of those politicians are gone now, but I could be wrong on that.
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But, if VT was to move to the B1G and, in turn, damage the ACC significantly (say, Florida St and Clemson leave for the XII at the same time), it could significantly damage UVA if there is not landing spot for them. That is something that the Commonwealth of Virginia would not allow.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Nicky, if we are going to be completely candid, the B1G made an identical miscalculation on Rutgers' persence in the NYC market as the ACC did on BC in Boston. At least the ACC can blame their miscalculation on the fact that BC does have Boston in its name.
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So far, the Rutgers "miscalculation" has resulted in the addition of the BTN on basic cable with every player in the NYC/NJ market. Let's see what happens in eastern PA.

To date, Maryland has not had the same success in DC but for the sake of our pockets, I hope they do.
 
dayooper said:
Huh? How did the Big10 make a miscalculation? They got full coverage for the BTN in NYC. That's what they were after. What miscalculation are you talking about?
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And don't forget that Notre Dame can get Chicago probably easier than Rutgers get New York. The only question is whether they can get the rest of Illinois along with Indiana where they are located. Syracuse along with Notre Dame will get NY. BC along with Notre Dame will get Boston. These are professional sports cities, but we're talking subscribers and not viewers.
 
btstimpy said:
That's wierd. Why would Duke be the most hated team in Virginia? UVA's biggest rival is UNC. VT's is UVA. Maybe there are a lot of VT, VCU, and George Mason fans that are closet Duke haters? Seems far fetched. VT fans haven't been watching much basketball lately. They do have an exciting new coach now though in Buzz Williams.
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Maryland and other DC transplants and neutrals. The real laugher is Nebraska ' s hate of Creighton. Do they really care that little about CBB to at least say Kansas?
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
But, if VT was to move to the B1G and, in turn, damage the ACC significantly (say, Florida St and Clemson leave for the XII at the same time), it could significantly damage UVA if there is not landing spot for them. That is something that the Commonwealth of Virginia would not allow.
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There are two major schools in Virginia and both the B1G and SEC will want a presence there and be willing to take either. There is no scenario in which these two schools will not have a good home. If VT moves to the B1G, yes, the ACC would be impaired, but UVa could jump to the SEC if necessary. Or, if UVa preferred the B1G, they could take VT's place in the B1G and ask VT to go to the SEC.

But they might be happy in the ACC even without VT.
 
pj said:
Thereoff e two major schools in Virginia and both the B1G and SEC will want a presence there and be willing to take either. There is no scenario in which these two schools will not have a good home. If VT moves to the B1G, yes, the ACC would be impaired, but UVa could jump to the SEC if necessary. Or, if UVa preferred the B1G, they could take VT's place in the B1G and ask VT to go to the SEC.

But they might be happy in the ACC even without VT.
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As long as UNC/UVA are happy then VT/NCSU are off limits to any conference . The bond between UNC/UVA/Duke is a lot stronger & deeper than most who follow realignment seem to understand . Simply put I think they want to stay together as badly as Notre Dame wants to stay independent
 
ramses 2.0 said:
As long as UNC/UVA are happy then VT/NCSU are off limits to any conference . The bond between UNC/UVA/Duke is a lot stronger & deeper than most who follow realignment seem to understand . Simply put I think they want to stay together as badly as Notre Dame wants to stay independent
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May I suggest an avatar for you?

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btstimpy said:
And don't forget that Notre Dame can get Chicago probably easier than Rutgers get New York. The only question is whether they can get the rest of Illinois along with Indiana where they are located. Syracuse along with Notre Dame will get NY. BC along with Notre Dame will get Boston. These are professional sports cities, but we're talking subscribers and not viewers.
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With only two/three football games, I highly doubt it. The only part of ND that Chicago cares about is their football team. Since The ACC only gets 2/3 games a year, and those games will be on the main media outlet, a potential ACCN will see none of those. ND basketball? Really? They have as much pull in Chicago as PSU basketball has in NYC. Olympic sports? Only alumni go for those. You can claim a market all you want, doesn't mean you have it.

If ND went all in, a potential ACCN could easily get Chicago. Without football, they are just another DePaul that plays hockey, and that sport won't be on a potential ACCN as well.
 
SubbaBub said:
Maryland and other DC transplants and neutrals. The real laugher is Nebraska ' s hate of Creighton. Do they really care that little about CBB to at least say Kansas?
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I was surprised Creighton wasn't most hated in NY just based on a few thousand votes from upstater.
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
But, if VT was to move to the B1G and, in turn, damage the ACC significantly (say, Florida St and Clemson leave for the XII at the same time), it could significantly damage UVA if there is not landing spot for them. That is something that the Commonwealth of Virginia would not allow.
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Sure, but would they. It seems that the FSU/Clemson to The Big12 thing has sailed. Would VT want to move? I don't know. I couldn't tell you even if The Big10 would admit them. That being said, losing VT, in my opinion, wouldn't hurt The ACC or UVA much, if at all. Gaining a new market (while keeping an open spot for a potential ND full buy in) might do wonders for a potential ACCN.
 
ramses 2.0 said:
As long as UNC/UVA are happy then VT/NCSU are off limits to any conference . The bond between UNC/UVA/Duke is a lot stronger & deeper than most who follow realignment seem to understand . Simply put I think they want to stay together as badly as Notre Dame wants to stay independent
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Why would that put VT/NCST off limits? I understand the bond between UVA/UNC/Duke, but why would that impede the other two schools movement? If the reason is damaging the ACC to the point of breaking it up, I don't by that. There's a reason that UVA was/is The Big10's and The BTN's first choice. Losing VT or NCST wouldn't hurt The ACC much. The ACC would have the primary school in their respective states. I'm not trying to say your wrong, I just don't understand the reason behind the post.
 
dayooper said:
Why would that put VT/NCST off limits? I understand the bond bwouldn't UVA/UNC/Duke, but why would that impede the other two schools movement? If the reason is damaging the ACC to the point of breaking it up, I don't by that. There's a reason that UVA was/is The Big10's and The BTN's first choice. Losing VT or NCST wouldn't hurt The ACC much. The ACC would have the primary school in their respective states. I'm not trying to say your wrong, I just don't understand the reason behind the post.
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Neither would move unless UNC/UVA were aalready in play. NCSU could not afford tolose any state funding & UNC would not let NCSU gain any potential recruiting advantage by say joining the SEC. In North Carolina you have to have state approval for anything including athletics even though the departments are self sustaining. UNC has enough clout within the Board of Governors & State assembly to block any move it doesn't approve of.
 
Fishy said:
The fact that they were in the same state didn't mean a blessed thing for a century. It didn't even mean anything when expansion started in 2003.

If the SEC or Big Ten invite Virginia Tech, the money wins.
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I think you are spot on. It wasn't about having the two schools in the same conference. It was about not leaving VT to rot in a damaged Big East. (Ironically, I would enthusiastically sign up with those teams right now....sigh.)

I don't see legislative opposition to VT bettering it self as being particularly likely.
 
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