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Smaller schools like BC, Wake, etc. would be kicked out???
Smaller schools like BC, Wake, etc. would be kicked out???
You are correct.I didn't say that UVA leaving the ACC would kill the ACC...but it will REALLY isolate BC (Syracuse and Pitt will be their closest League schools..then if you go South it could be either VT or NC, NCST, Duke) from the rest of the league by a B1G juggernaut.
At the time VT left the BE for the ACC with BC and Miami, former UCONN President and then UVA President John Casteen was HIGHLY pressured by the VA state legislature and Gov to get VT included in the ACC expansion. If anyone remembers right the original expansion group was Miami, BC, and Syracuse. Syracuse was replaced by VT after Casteen appealed to his ACC President peers to include VT instead.
Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV 1h
B1G source says new approach to expansion coming via legislation. Details Monday.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h
Basically the B1G wants to force smaller, private schools out of the Big 5 via governance if the big 5 system.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h
B1G wants a small majority, say 60%, to force changes that smaller schools can’t afford.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h
I’m talking within the big 5.
- Doug @NebGradDubDub 14m
@theDudeofWV IMO, the legislation is aimed at wake forest, and is a way to entice a cash poor giant like GT. This would affect ACC the most
- Omega Supreme @OmegaSupreme914 1m
@NebGradDubDub @theDudeofWV Boston College GT Virginia Wake Forrest schools like that.
BC's AD expenses are similar to ours:
Boston College $ 44,731,812.00
Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus $ 37,145,213.00
Northwestern University $ 46,771,738.00
University of Connecticut $ 42,366,936.00
Wake Forest University $ 32,614,124.00
Washington State University $ 29,194,102.00
I especially get amusement out of this line:
"If one school leaves the GoR is voided - or so they think."
The whole point of the Grant of Rights is that the network retains all contracted home games for a set duration regardless of conference affiliation. The Big Ten would be under absolutely no illusion whatsoever that somehow kicking out a school based on an arbitrary change in eligibility, would somehow change the legal contract between the ACC and Wake Forest. If anything, it might require both parties to void the contract with Wake Forest specifically, but it would absolutely have nothing to do with the rights of the other members.
Man, the guy is really grasping at all kinds of straws.
On an unrelated note, did we ever learn this "big basketball news" he promised?
I especially get amusement out of this line:
"If one school leaves the GoR is voided - or so they think."
The whole point of the Grant of Rights is that the network retains all contracted home games for a set duration regardless of conference affiliation. The Big Ten would be under absolutely no illusion whatsoever that somehow kicking out a school based on an arbitrary change in eligibility, would somehow change the legal contract between the ACC and Wake Forest. If anything, it might require both parties to void the contract with Wake Forest specifically, but it would absolutely have nothing to do with the rights of the other members.
Man, the guy is really grasping at all kinds of straws.
On an unrelated note, did we ever learn this "big basketball news" he promised?
I could be wrong, but I took that statement to be if a school decides they no longer want to be a P5 school and not just switching conferences. Now, why any school, including BC would voluntarily decide to leave, is the part I don't get. How could they be forced out? I have to believe they would increase their budget to comply.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get those numbers from? I was under the impression that UConn's AD expenses were in the 63 million ballpark, not 42 million:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/
Perhaps your source eliminated the amount that we receive in subsidy? I couldn't find a date on the USAToday link I provided, so I don't know if that's current, but I'm guessing that we are at least at that number...
Well, you're right, of course. But does anybody really believe these conversations and events are actually happening, or, like pretty much every other situation with these bloggers, they appear to be just making stuff up by speculating what they would LIKE to happen vs. what is actually happening?
FWIW, their inference about Boston College is ridiculous. I have attached a list of the revenues by school for the 2011-12 school year. Boston College sat in the top half of the ACC.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/12/alabama_and_auburn_stay_among.html#incart_river_default
The list of revenues is what the revenues are today. Unfortunately, conference networks are going to start a P5 separation. The SEC, Big 10, and Pac 12 networks are going to be greatly additive to those schools in those conferences. Texas has the LHN. The ACC and most of the Big 12 schools will not be part of a conference network that is similar. (The "ACC Network" will never be similar to the current conference networks if it even ever happens. Unfortunately, the ACC did not expand with schools that would have provided the ACC with the households to have a successful network. If the ACC had Rutgers, Maryland, and UConn, they could have had the households to pull it off.) Remember, it is possible (depending on what happens in NY and DC) that the Big 10 Network will be delivering more revenues per school than the total ACC TV contract with ESPN delivers to each of the ACC schools for all of their content!
Thus I think the conferences with the conferences networks and higher revenues are going to want to be able to make decisions that some of the smaller private schools that are in the ACC and Big 12 may not support.
There are only two state flagships in tha ACC . The Big and SEC are dominated by Flagships. That alone is enough to speculate on them leaving the ACC.Not even remotely the same. Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers are already in the Big Ten now. They'd be no more out of their geographical area in the Big Ten than they are now in the ACC especially since they'd be in a division with those three, UConn, Ohio State and the Michigan schools.
Plus, Virginia really does culturally fit with the other Big Ten schools. They're chummy in the AAU with those schools, the President came from Michigan and they dig the idea of participation in the CIC.
Virginia to the Big Ten, while not a certainty, is very sensible in a lot of ways. It's nothing like Florida State playing west of the great river.
I don't think this is grasping at straws. I'm not addressing the GOR part, but clearly the voting threshold issue inside the P5 is directed at someone. Who are they targeting? The whole controversy is all about voting thresholds. The top of the P5 may have noticed that the private schools are all of ne mind on this.
My take on this has been dismissed on this board, but I think I know what is going here. When people wrote that ADs try to hide athletic profits to hide it away from lawsuits, I wrote that the opposite is happening. The schools don't want to show tuition paying parents where some of their money is going (to ADs that lose money). That was not a popular point here. But look at the private schools. At private schools, the cost-per-student is often much LOWER than the cost per student, which means that people's money is not going to instruction but to subsidizing other students.
And this is what bugs the private schools so much about what is going on right now. Because they are going to have to explain all this to their bread&butter customers.
Well, you're right, of course. But does anybody really believe these conversations and events are actually happening, or, like pretty much every other situation with these bloggers, they appear to be just making stuff up by speculating what they would LIKE to happen vs. what is actually happening?
FWIW, their inference about Boston College is ridiculous. I have attached a list of the revenues by school for the 2011-12 school year. Boston College sat in the top half of the ACC.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/12/alabama_and_auburn_stay_among.html#incart_river_default