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pj said:
A lot of B12 leaders would gag at the thought of having passed on Louisville and now being forced to take ECU. It's hard to understand this move, were it to happen, except as a way of forestalling antitrust lawsuits from the realignment losers. But for the B12 to be motivated to take one for the P5, the networks would have to subsidize the adds.

I'm surprised they would take ECU ahead of USF or BYU. USF sucks athletically but you'd think the #5 school in Florida must be more valuable than the #5 in North Carolina. BYU has a national brand but geography and culture may be a barrier. Still, they'd bring more money than ECU, and the culture should be similar to Baylor, TCU.
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Every time I look at the Big XII map, I think of what might have been had they taken UL, Pitt, Cincy and WVU together. UConn would be in the ACC now, and Rutgers might as well.

Even now, looking at the map, I am hard pressed to think that the southwest and Rocky mountain regions aren't where they should expand.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Every time I look at the Big XII map, I think of what might have been had they taken UL, Pitt, Cincy and WVU together. UConn would be in the ACC now, and Rutgers might as well.

Even now, looking at the map, I am hard pressed to think that the southwest and Rocky mountain regions aren't where they should expand.
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Except there's not really anything of value out there. BYU and Boise State, but Boise is so far away. What else is there? Colorado State? UNLV? New Mexico? They all have major weaknesses and none help bridge the WVU gap like an eastern wing.
 
Slasher said:
Tuxedo Yoda‏@TuxedoYoda
Hearing new regime at Texas coming to terms with B12 adding 4 teams: UCF, Cinci, UConn and..East Carolina. No kidding, East Carolina.
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While being a pessimist about CR..with a believe it when I see it attitude; this league hoops wise would be pretty darn good on the Men's side...and a juggernaut on the Women's side. But as usual this is nothing more than another dead end CR rumor!
 
I'm not sure if it was lack of vision or Texas blocking things to preserve options (among other things), but if the Big XII had picked up UL, Pitt, Cincy and WVU, they could have had a shot at luring Miami, FSU, and Clemson. At that point adding Memphis is a reasonable fit when you look at culture, proximity and beefing up basketball. Back out TCU and you have had a decent East/West divisions (or leave in TCU, nix Memphis, and send Iowa State East).

EAST Pitt, Cincinnati, Louisville, WVU, Memphis, Clemson, FSU, Miami
WEST Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor

WVU and TCU were football-driven picks and not market driven picks. Maybe the model is changing for them, or not. I guess it's better being mentioned than not being mentioned.
 
CL82 said:
Any move to a P5 conference is a good thing, but this would be a head scratcher.

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(Best map I could find quickly)
Worse travel, a lot better payout, better teams. Scary, but I don't think that we could say no to it. Boy if WVU felt like an orphan...
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These freaking rumors...
All UCONN would have to do is open a satellite campus in Oklahoma where the athletes could set up camp for a few weeks, hit all their road games from Kansas to Texas, then return home. Problem solved.
 
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pj said:
A lot of B12 leaders would gag at the thought of having passed on Louisville and now being forced to take ECU. It's hard to understand this move, were it to happen, except as a way of forestalling antitrust lawsuits from the realignment losers. But for the B12 to be motivated to take one for the P5, the networks would have to subsidize the adds.

I'm surprised they would take ECU ahead of USF or BYU. USF sucks athletically but you'd think the #5 school in Florida must be more valuable than the #5 in North Carolina. BYU has a national brand but geography and culture may be a barrier. Still, they'd bring more money than ECU, and the culture should be similar to Baylor, TCU.
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At the moment ECU is the top football team in North Carolina and UCF is a better choice in Florida. Texas never comes to the Rent, that game is played in MetLife, same for Oklahoma in September or October.
 
The other thing to remember as far as being an outlier, in football at least we'd presumably play WVU, ECU, UCF and Cincy each year for 4 games. Then we'd have 2 west teams come east, and then only have to travel west twice as well. That would make up 8 conf games and leave us 4 non-conf which could be more local (ACC teams perhaps)? Is that realistic? I'm not 100% sure on how many conf. games a season there are though.
 
An outside the box offering. Big XII becomes Big XXII. The Big 12 and AAC merge into a two tier system: The Classic Big 12 keeps their money while the 2nd tier gets much less. Two AAC teams rotate into the 1st tier based on RPI or something, and there's the 12 team play-off. Instantly becomes the biggest conference by far, adds markets, covers most recruiting ground, keeps cash for the good old boys.
 
And here's your two 7 team divisions.....
West: UT, TTU, Baylor, OU, OSU, KU, KSU - to maintian long term rivalries (sorry ISU, no soup for you)
East: ISU, TCU, WVU, UC, UCF, ECU, UConn
if/when they ever choose to go to 16 they add in 2 of USF, Temple, and Memphis to the east, and kick ISU back to the west...EZ-PZ

and now back to reality....
 
pj said:
A lot of B12 leaders would gag at the thought of having passed on Louisville and now being forced to take ECU. It's hard to understand this move, were it to happen, except as a way of forestalling antitrust lawsuits from the realignment losers. But for the B12 to be motivated to take one for the P5, the networks would have to subsidize the adds.

I'm surprised they would take ECU ahead of USF or BYU. USF sucks
athletically but you'd think the #5 school in Florida must be more valuable

than the #5 in North Carolina. BYU has a national brand but geography and culture may be a barrier. Still, they'd bring more money than ECU, and the culture should be similar to Baylor, TCU.
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ECU on equal conference footing, would not be 5th best FOOTBALL program in North Carolina. Their game day atmosphere for their game earlier this year against UNC was off the hook, almost SEC like. Your not getting that from Wake or Duke.

I don't go to away games, just can't swing it either financially or in terms of time, but who wouldn't love being in a bball conference with the likes of Kansas, Texas, Iowa State, and football with Texas, Oklahoma, and WVU?,
 
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Craig Black ‏@Cincy_Craig · 10h9 hours ago
@theDudeofWV any expansion updates/rumors?

Christopher Lambert
‏@theDudeofWV @Cincy_Craig Plenty... coming soon. Some stuff I've been sitting on & will sit on for a bit more. Some stuff I can talk about.

Craig Black ‏@Cincy_Craig · 8h8 hours ago
@theDudeofWV any of benefit to Cincy?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h7 hours ago
@Cincy_Craig Benefit? Cincy is in a good spot right now.

Craig Black ‏@Cincy_Craig · 7h7 hours ago
@theDudeofWV I hope you don't mean AAC = "good spot"

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 7h6 hours ago
@Cincy_Craig No I mean as in positioning in terms of the next round.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 9m 9 minutes ago
Next week my first new story drops.
 
The best I can tell, all these anonymous non-key tweets are coming from someone in the State Department of Revenue SErvices, who is trying to keep the 1% of the population that lives and dies with UConn sports from killing themselves, thus reducing revenue collections. Every time mass suicide is near, this guy makes something up to get us to still be alive come the next quarterly estimated tax payment.
 
It really doesn't matter if the B12 is a good fit. If there were any teeth to the rumors, the real goal is to then force the B1G and the ACC into a or get off the pot moment. And having a $20-$30 mil annual backup plan ain't so bad. If Cincy and UConn are off the table due to the B12 GoR, the ACC would have to live with 15 teams for a long time.
 
If Cincy and UConn are off the table (please God) then the ACC might explore adding Navy for football only and Georgetown for everything but football. Maybe they look at Temple.
 
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itgoeslike said:
If Cincy and UConn are off the table (please God) then the ACC might explore adding Navy for football only and Georgetown for everything but football. Maybe they look at Temple.
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The ACC isn't paying more for Georgetown hoops than Fox, through the Big East, is anyway. Why would Georgetown turn over its basketball future to schools that are more concerned about football?
 
businesslawyer said:
The ACC isn't paying more for Georgetown hoops than Fox, through the Big East, is anyway. Why would Georgetown turn over its basketball future to schools that are more concerned about football?
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There will always be plenty of concern for basketball in the ACC, just ask FSU and Clemson.

Do you really think Georgetown would have any inhibitions playing against Syracuse, UNC, Duke, Pitt, BC, UVA and Notre Dame? They are also a good fit for soccer, lacrosse and other Olympic sports. Academically they would fit in nicely and when coupled with Navy for football would help fill the void left by Maryland.
 
itgoeslike said:
There will always be plenty of concern for basketball in the ACC, just ask FSU and Clemson.

Do you really think Georgetown would have any inhibitions playing against Syracuse, UNC, Duke, Pitt, BC, UVA and Notre Dame? They are also a good fit for soccer, lacrosse and other Olympic sports. Academically they would fit in nicely and when coupled with Navy for football would help fill the void left by Maryland.
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Yes. Good explanation of why the ACC would like Georgetown if they don't have to pay it football money, and why Georgetown could do it. But you didn't evens begin to address the reasons why Georgetown would do it. You just offered to trade Carmelo for Lebron. But that only works from one side of the table.
 
Fishy said:
A lunatic from a backwards state tweets and three posts later, we're in the Big 12 and Georgetown is in the ACC.
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You're just jealous because TheFishofWV's tweeting only got us into the AAC.
 
businesslawyer said:
Yes. Good explanation of why the ACC would like Georgetown if they don't have to pay it football money, and why Georgetown could do it. But you didn't evens begin to address the reasons why Georgetown would do it. You just offered to trade Carmelo for Lebron. But that only works from one side of the table.
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You should read some of their fans' comments. Many miss playing the top shelf teams of the old Big East and many said last years BE tournament was depressing. Georgetown to the ACC is certainly not a hill to die on for me, but I'll give you some drivers from Georgetown's side of the table.

- They would play against better basketball competition (See above)
- They would play against a greater number of regional rivals (Half of NBE lies West of Ohio State)
- They would likely get paid as much as they are getting paid today (Even more if network happens [not])
- They would be featured on national TV ( That viewers actually watch)
- They would be in a better academic conference
- They would not need to adjust their football program much because it already exists outside of NBE
- They would have access to a greater number of research and institutional synergies (Qualified of course)
- They would avoid potentially falling off the radar and keep their basketball program relevant
- They would see their RPI improve, on average, over time
- They would eventually be part of a conference that generates a larger NCAA tourney payout
- They would likely generate a higher non TV revenue conference payout
- They would avoid having to play a future Big East tournament in Chicago
- They would more closely align themselves with like schools such as BC, Notre Dame, Duke, and Wake Forest
- They would raise the profile of many of their Olympic sports including Lacrosse
 
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Fishy said:
A lunatic from a backwards state tweets and three posts later, we're in the Big 12 and Georgetown is in the ACC.
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Idle hands. . .that's what happens when you have a bye week.
 
What is the business model for Yoda and The Dude? Do they have a blog that they are trying to generate traffic for? Do they simply do this for attention? Do they sell anything else?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What is the business model for Yoda and The Dude? Do they have a blog that they are trying to generate traffic for? Do they simply do this for attention? Do they sell anything else?
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The Dude has a blog but he hasn't updated it in a while. There aren't any ads on it.
http://dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2014/04/big-5-autonomy-ends-expansion.html
He was on a WV sports radio show for a while. It sounds like the parting wasn't amicable.
He's going to be involved with a new WVU fan website.
http://mountaineerfanboy.prophpbb.com/
He said he was going to write a book about WVU and expansion. I don't think any of this generates money for him. Maybe the radio show paid him.
 
Slasher said:
Tuxedo Yoda‏@TuxedoYoda
Hearing new regime at Texas coming to terms with B12 adding 4 teams: UCF, Cinci, UConn and..East Carolina. No kidding, East Carolina.
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I'm sure Dr. Judy Genshaft would be pleased to hear. ;)


Seriously, the only way this could possibly work is if the networks spring up the cash (and they go to a no-divisions format). Even then, it's going to be hard for some schools to give up guaranteed dates with Texas or Oklahoma.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What is the business model for Yoda and The Dude? Do they have a blog that they are trying to generate traffic for? Do they simply do this for attention? Do they sell anything else?
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Stop it. You used to pimp the WV guys.
 
Fishy said:
A lunatic from a backwards state tweets and three posts later, we're in the Big 12 and Georgetown is in the ACC.
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I'm winning mega millions tonight Tomorrow I'll call up a movie star for a date and build a new arena in Hartford
 
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