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[jostar1]

Big 12 Media Days are on Wednesday and Thursday. Heartland College Sports' Pete Mundo discusses the top five storylines heading into the event. He says Yormark will play it close to the vest regarding expansion, but a coach may slip up and say something.

SDSU and UConn talk at 18:05. He says Yormark is an East Coast, New York City guy and he's infatuated with UConn. He has to get the Presidents on board.

 

[uconnyankee]

I'm not sure I understand what they are measuring. "Spending" isn't really the right word. What AAU and B1G schools are looking at is receiving more money, research grants. You want that money flowing in, and it then funds your research activities. That money attracts super smart people as professors, and those people likewise attract the money. Students also then want to come to a school where they are exposed to cutting edge research and brilliant people. It's an ecosystem.

As for Colorado State, it was formerly an A&M, and is still very engineering focused, especially Mechanical Engineering.
I continue to believe that UConn efforts on the research side are greatly hampered by Mansfield. If you want to really play in that space, you have to build facilities, and often that will mean public-private partnerships, with development outside of university property. You can see some of what Colorado State has done here. Colorado State University - Wikipedia

I was thinking same thing. I think they get $’s but in turn spend it, which is what these guys were saying.
My friend in the admissions world also just confirmed Colorado State is very big in the animal research world. Overall they are just slightly ahead of UConn for research $’s

 

[uconnyankee]

I'm not sure I understand what they are measuring. "Spending" isn't really the right word. What AAU and B1G schools are looking at is receiving more money, research grants. You want that money flowing in, and it then funds your research activities. That money attracts super smart people as professors, and those people likewise attract the money. Students also then want to come to a school where they are exposed to cutting edge research and brilliant people. It's an ecosystem.

As for Colorado State, it was formerly an A&M, and is still very engineering focused, especially Mechanical Engineering.
I continue to believe that UConn efforts on the research side are greatly hampered by Mansfield. If you want to really play in that space, you have to build facilities, and often that will mean public-private partnerships, with development outside of university property. You can see some of what Colorado State has done here. Colorado State University - Wikipedia

UConn has done similar with the medical school.

 

[RSTuthill]

A couple questions…
Do we know these figures to be true? Very surprised to see Colorado St higher than UConn on the R&D spend.
If that is true, and this was a meaningful metric, why is Colorado St not on Big 12 radar?

Interesting view. I don’t know that this particular metric is the priority. It’s all about prestige (fb pecking order), branding, other AD success. That’s what the media partners are monetizing.

That metric is actually disadvantageous to UConn. They have been on an upward curve. Last year or last three years would be better. And I do not think NSF data includes private sector R&D. Back in the day I sent them some funding to UConn and I am pretty sure that NSF would not have access to those dollars unless it was federal law that they be reported.

What totally blows my mind is how Oregon can be in the AAU. They are at de-minimus levels unless they report Nike funding separately.

 

[uconnyankee]

That metric is actually disadvantageous to UConn. They have been on an upward curve. Last year or last three years would be better. And I do not think NSF data includes private sector R&D. Back in the day I sent them some funding to UConn and I am pretty sure that NSF would not have access to those dollars unless it was federal law that they be reported.

What totally blows my mind is how Oregon can be in the AAU. They are at de-minimus levels unless they report Nike funding separately.

My friend mentioned their Oregon funding probably excluded Oregon Health Sciences which is a separate school. He said with that funding, Oregon is middle of Pac 12

 

[Samoo]

My friend mentioned their Oregon funding probably excluded Oregon Health Sciences which is a separate school. He said with that funding, Oregon is middle of Pac 12

Yes, OHSU is completely independent, not anymore connected to University of Oregon than Oregon State or PSU.

 

[HuskyHawk]

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UConn has done similar with the medical school.

Yes, exactly, because Farmington isn't the middle of nowhere. Unfortunately for AAU purposes, the med school doesn't count because it is off campus.

 

[RSTuthill]

Yes, exactly, because Farmington isn't the middle of nowhere. Unfortunately for AAU purposes, the med school doesn't count because it is off campus.

Well, it may not count but off campus is sure not the reason

 

[HuskyHawk]

Well, it may not count but off campus is sure not the reason

That is literally the reason. AAU doesn't consider off campus med schools. It impacts Kansas' number as well and was the main reason Nebraska lost its AAU status (med school in Omaha).

 

[UCONNJACK]

Yes, exactly, because Farmington isn't the middle of nowhere. Unfortunately for AAU purposes, the med school doesn't count because it is off campus.

Many medical schools and their affiliated hospitals are located off campus. Yale, Harvard, Cornell, BU, Tufts and UMass to name a few.

 

[RSTuthill]

That is literally the reason. AAU doesn't consider off campus med schools. It impacts Kansas' number as well and was the main reason Nebraska lost its AAU status (med school in Omaha).

It is a friggin UConn hospital. Their medical campus.

 

[Waquoit]

I still don't think they are hammering the fact that the northeast has tons of college football fans that aren't necessarily UConn fans. The game started here. But they all root for teams like Notre Dame, Navy and Big 10 teams. These people will support Big 12 football here the second it is offered.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It is a friggin UConn hospital. Their medical campus.

It's technically UConn Health in Farmington. What happens at Avery Point doesn't count either. I'm not arguing for or against, simply saying that's what AAU does.

As @UCONNJACK said, this is common. UMass, Kansas, Maryland, many others. Nebraska got voted out in large part because the med school was in Omaha. Here is an excerpt from Nebraska's sumbission when they were reviewed in 2011.

 

[huskymedic]

Many medical schools and their affiliated hospitals are located off campus. Yale, Harvard, Cornell, BU, Tufts and UMass to name a few.

Yale Main Campus and Yale Medical School Campus basically abut each other in the same City.

 

[RSTuthill]

Yale Main Campus and Yale Medical School Campus basically abut each other in the same City.

I was just there recently. Came away with a new knee. On the snow four months later. Eight times last year.

 

[Eavesdrop]

Many medical schools are distant from their schools' main campus but have their research dollars included.

My potentially flawed understanding is that Nebraska's "medical school is under a separate administrative structure, so the research dollars it brings in are not counted by the association."

American Universities Group Votes to Expel Nebraska (Published 2011)

The ouster of Nebraska’s flagship university was reported along with Syracuse’s decision to leave the Association of American Universities voluntarily.

www.nytimes.com

 

[BigTenFan]

Maybe Northwestern will get the boot due to hazing ........

 

[NEforceUConn]

Maybe Northwestern will get the boot due to hazing ........

Nay, they know the Penn State defense.

 

[BigTenFan]

Nay, they know the Penn State defense.

You mean the Paterno doctrine?

 

[Exit 4]

 

[jostar1]

 

[RSTuthill]

Clearly they are going over their potential conference options and the P12 possible media package scenarios so they will have a prepared response based on media package outcomes. I doubt if that Retreat will drive a B12 announcement the next day unless the media package direction is known in enought detail already (which it might be). But I have been wrong before.

 

[Ldandy]

You mean the Paterno doctrine?

You mean the Strauss/Nasser/Anderson Doctrine? I think its pretty clear that bad things happen in every organization and in every corner of society. I'm not sure what Big Ten Team that you're a fan of, but I'm sure I could sling plenty of mud at you with one 20 second Google Search. The time for shaming others is long been over. We're all living in a Spiderman Meme.

 

[businesslawyer]

You mean the Strauss/Nasser/Anderson Doctrine? I think its pretty clear that bad things happen in every organization and in every corner of society. I'm not sure what Big Ten Team that you're a fan of, but I'm sure I could sling plenty of mud at you with one 20 second Google Search. The time for shaming others is long been over. We're all living in a Spiderman Meme.

Wow. That may be the non-political record for whataboutism.

I don't care that boys were raped in the shower and my institution didn't do anything about it because it might have hurt the football program. What about ....

 

[dayooper]

Clearly they are going over their potential conference options and the P12 possible media package scenarios so they will have a prepared response based on media package outcomes. I doubt if that Retreat will drive a B12 announcement the next day unless the media package direction is known in enought detail already (which it might be). But I have been wrong before.

Eh, they might not be. Colorado has a serious lawsuit against them regarding their Cross Country program. My guess that’s what it’s about.

Athletes Await Results of Investigation Into University of Colorado Cross-Country Program

In January, the university said the report was nearing completion. Four months later, there’s no sign of it—and no reason stated for the delay.

www.runnersworld.com