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If I'm a UCONN Fan I'm praying to god that The DOOF doesn't claim that my Huskies are in. That is an absolute kiss of death, and a certainty that the exact opposite is likely to happen. Hope he starts pimping Temple and Houston or other such nonsense.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 27m27 minutes ago
BTM just sent email:
"OU contacts have not moved off"
"Cincinnati and UCONN are tier above in eyes of Oklahoma"
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 21m21 minutes ago
I will speak with BTM tomorrow night (we think)
I sent BTM email to ask OU contacts on their belief of B12 going to 14...and who is 13-14
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 20m20 minutes ago
Hopefully we get a sense what OU contacts are thinking on possibility of 13-14 and who..
..will see.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 19m19 minutes ago
But obviously, according to BTM email of 8:33am this morning, OU contacts have same belief today as they did in Jan-May
UC/UCONN
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 17m17 minutes ago
@caingle
This info is coming from OU contacts...same people who broke B12 wrestling expansion on Twitter through BTM.
So will see..
BTM just sent email:
"OU contacts have not moved off"
"Cincinnati and UCONN are tier above in eyes of Oklahoma"
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 21m21 minutes ago
I will speak with BTM tomorrow night (we think)
I sent BTM email to ask OU contacts on their belief of B12 going to 14...and who is 13-14
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 20m20 minutes ago
Hopefully we get a sense what OU contacts are thinking on possibility of 13-14 and who..
..will see.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 19m19 minutes ago
But obviously, according to BTM email of 8:33am this morning, OU contacts have same belief today as they did in Jan-May
UC/UCONN
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 17m17 minutes ago
@caingle
This info is coming from OU contacts...same people who broke B12 wrestling expansion on Twitter through BTM.
So will see..
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The Real Bob Mayhew @HabibHaddad · 2h2 hours ago West Virginia, USA
@Jake_Trotter @theDudeofWV For all the talking heads dissing Big12's expansion cands, I ask you how many CUSA and BE teams now in ACC? #Fair
Sean @smm140 · 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @taylorijackson your best quess on the 4? BYU, UC, next 2 ?
Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV
@smm140 @taylorijackson BYU, UC. Then UH (I'm biased) and UCONN. But I want UCF in there too. I think CSU is THE dark horse.
Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV
@UConn6thBorough Do you know who is on the executive board? I mean the 3 person committee? Fenves, Boren and the Prez of KU.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@UConn6thBorough It's those three, along with Bowlsby that opened talks with ESPN.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@UConn6thBorough How about this...what two bevo sh%#$ does UT give about what the ACC does? They are immune.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
Has a conference ever announced they plan to expand? The free-for-all is worse than Black Friday at Wal-Mart. Blood will be spilled.
Cdubb@cdubb03
@theDudeofWV how sure are you that BYU is in?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 52m52 minutes ago
@Expansion_Crush @cdubb03 I'm certain.
The Real Bob Mayhew @HabibHaddad · 2h2 hours ago West Virginia, USA
@Jake_Trotter @theDudeofWV For all the talking heads dissing Big12's expansion cands, I ask you how many CUSA and BE teams now in ACC? #Fair
Sean @smm140 · 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @taylorijackson your best quess on the 4? BYU, UC, next 2 ?
Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV
@smm140 @taylorijackson BYU, UC. Then UH (I'm biased) and UCONN. But I want UCF in there too. I think CSU is THE dark horse.
Christopher Lambert@theDudeofWV
@UConn6thBorough Do you know who is on the executive board? I mean the 3 person committee? Fenves, Boren and the Prez of KU.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@UConn6thBorough It's those three, along with Bowlsby that opened talks with ESPN.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
@UConn6thBorough How about this...what two bevo sh%#$ does UT give about what the ACC does? They are immune.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 1h1 hour ago
Has a conference ever announced they plan to expand? The free-for-all is worse than Black Friday at Wal-Mart. Blood will be spilled.
Cdubb@cdubb03
@theDudeofWV how sure are you that BYU is in?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 52m52 minutes ago
@Expansion_Crush @cdubb03 I'm certain.
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This totally may not be the route the B12 will take. Texas will have some say about that. But it also does not seem inconsistent with my perception of Oklahoma's preferences. Not believing we are a lock for anything, but contrary to many on the board I think Flug is just passing along info from some person or persons that are in a position to access some (limited) information. Given the fact that the B12 overall has no idea what they're doing from hour to hour calling this a fluid situation is an understatement.
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Dude's right about one thing, this is the first time a conference has openly announced before adding schools that they were going to expand and start considering candidates.
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Sarcasm? Are you forgetting the public announcement and the process the Big Ten went thru before they added Nebraska to get to 12.
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I though the ACC replacing Maryland was a pretty public process, although not announced through a press conference.
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Yes, but that was more so expected that the ACC fill the slot because of the unequal divisions. It was public by the nature of the situation. The ACC had been pretty clandestine with their prior additions.
The Big 10 was very public about their expansion study and process prior to adding Nebraska. So to say that the Big 12 is the first conference to publicly announce it's expanding is not true. That was my point.
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That's what I was getting at. This is the first time a commissioner has come out and said in a presser that they're expanding. Not some vague sort of we'll consider our options moving forward or other kind of boilerplate quote.
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Lol. Ok.
How is the Big 10's 2009 press release on expansion and subsequent pressers different than the Big 12 announcing yesterday that they are continuing to explore expansion? The Big 12 didn't definitively say they were expanding for certain btw just exploring candidates.
Big Ten set to explore possibility of expansion
Big Ten to explore adding 12th member
Dec 16, 2009
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Adam RittenbergESPN Staff Writer
The Big Ten Conference will actively explore the possibility of expansion in the next 12-18 months, according to a statement released Tuesday from the league's Council of Presidents/Chancellors.
At a Dec. 6 meeting at the Big Ten offices, the council (COP/C) asked league commissioner Jim Delany to begin the process of identifying and evaluating options for possible expansion from 11 to 12 teams.
The Big Ten did exactly what the Big 12 did except it was by press release instead of press conference.
In December 2009:
"The COP/C believes that the timing is right for the conference to once again conduct a thorough evaluation of options for conference structure and expansion. As a result, the commissioner was asked to provide recommendations for consideration by the COP/C over the next 12 to 18 months. "
Go back and read Bowlsby's comments and you'll find he basically said the same thing.
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Meh, fine.Lol. Ok.
How is the Big 10's 2009 press release on expansion and subsequent pressers different than the Big 12 announcing yesterday that they are continuing to explore expansion? The Big 12 didn't definitively say they were expanding for certain btw just exploring candidates.
Big Ten set to explore possibility of expansion
Big Ten to explore adding 12th member
Dec 16, 2009
Adam RittenbergESPN Staff Writer
The Big Ten Conference will actively explore the possibility of expansion in the next 12-18 months, according to a statement released Tuesday from the league's Council of Presidents/Chancellors.
At a Dec. 6 meeting at the Big Ten offices, the council (COP/C) asked league commissioner Jim Delany to begin the process of identifying and evaluating options for possible expansion from 11 to 12 teams.
Honestly man, serves you right for assuming The Dude was right about something.
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In fairness, it's a pretty meaningless thing to be right about.
Of course, but it still teaches you a valuable life lesson... don't trust The Dude about anything.
ha ha ha
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Lol. Sorry, I was just a big doosh right there.
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I mean you're right it's not the first time they've released it, but the presser the B12 had yesterday was pretty unprecedented in their transparency.
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No question the big 12 is a cluster f. uc k.
That said, I'll be happy to join them.
This was posted by a supposedly insider, MSMoose, on the Cincy 247 board:
The Day After!
After a rather lengthy dinner and post dinner chat, I have a few updates for you from last evening.
Areas where the Big 12 institutions will focus when reviewing expansion candidates will be;
Strength of the institutions athletic department. More precisely, financials, leadership and staff, institution and private support, achievments, facilities, strategic plan, marketing, athletic academic support and success, cost of attendance.
Fan base size. More precisely the logistical makeup of the fan base (it’s reach), it’s cultural makeup, it’s willingness to support, it’s financial support, it’s national makeup. Finally, the alumni makeup, where are they, do they travel, demographics, etc.
Media market. More precisely an institutions local market, regional market, and national market.
Institutional reputation. More precisely, accomplishments, national and international recognition, staff makeup, funding, endowment, private support, research reputation, etc.
Academic strength. More precisely the measurements of an institutions academics per its independent divisions. For instance, an institutions medical school is ranked high with much success, but their engineering school is not.
The Big 12 has essentially created (3) lists of candidates for expansion;
The first list are those institutions who meet most or all the Big 12 membership criteria, need time to grow (2-5 years), and become P5 institutions. You can think of these institutions as those who have sufficient athletics funding, Tier 1 research institutions, academic success, athletic culture, and membership to the Big 12 would raise their status sooner than later.
The second list are those institutions who have athletic culture, however would not be considered as full member. These institutions could be institutions with football culture, but lack full athletics culture, or fail to meet specific Big 12 criteria in the form of Research and or Academics.
The third list are institutions that meet some of the Big 12 membership criteria, need time to grow (5-8 years), and become P5 institutions. These are institutions with high growth potential, membership to the Big 12 will allow these institutions in 5-8 years, to be P5 type institutions and still grow.
Institutions like Cincinnati and UCONN make the first list. While institutions like Boise State or UCF make the second list. Institutions like Memphis or Temple make the third list.
These lists are important in terms of negotiations, because if the Big 12 decides 4 is the right number for expansion two levels of candidates may be asked to join. So for a institution on the first list, the institution may propose a lesser time frame for the institutions transition to full membership. Where a institution on the second list, may have a transition period, however at a reduced full membership amount. Finally, a institution on the third list may be forced to offer concessions to the Big 12 for membership. Keep in mind the ball is the institutions hands when it comes to enticing the Big 12 for membership, however the Big 12 also must keep the big picture in mind.
Western based expansion does not generate short term or long term benefits, unless one considers partial membership such as football only. The money is not there when you talk to the network folks, which as we know is hurting the PAC 12 now, and long term. That said, membership to Boise State, and or BYU could be enticing, and profitable by brand for the Big 12.
Long term Eastward expansion is the desire of most Big 12 members. Institutions like Cincinnati and UCONN are great institutions, which with Big 12 membership will become quality long term P5 members. Institutions like UCF and Memphis have great potential, although they lack Big 12 Academic qualities.
Institutions unlike Cincinnati will have to present proposals showing not only their Athletic plans, but their Institutional plans in terms of Academics, Research, Endownment, etc.
Right now, I believe list 1 candidates Cincinnati and UCONN are 11 and 12 after discussions last night. I know I said Memphis as 12 prior, but last night changed my mind considerably. Then after 11 and 12, you have list 3 institutions like UCF and Memphis versus list 2 institutions BYU and Boise State. Ultimately, if the Big 12 President’s are not confident with list 3 candidates proposals, they can fall back on list 2 candidates who help them now.
I will post more in a few days, I have meetings in New York to attend to.
Go Bearcats!
All institutions who desire candidacy will need to make a formal proposal to the Big 12. Interviews with the Big 12 (Expansion Committee, I will call it) will follow. The Big 12 BOT will then discuss candidates via teleconference and also have access to contact candidates on their own. The Big 12 BOT may then decide to negotiate with specific institutions, or they may offer proposals to specific institutions. A lot depends on the institution proposals, and which direction the Big BOT chooses to proceed with.
The Big 12 is looking for a 60-90 day period to complete this work. At the same time, expansion will also affect how the Big 12 creates divisions, scheduling, etc. so a lot of factors are in play. Scheduling will also have a negative affect on BYU, in trying to terminate numerous scheduling agreements in such a short period of time. BYU has so many issues to overcome, my colleagues and I don't see any possibility of them succeeding.
Gotta run, but just want to pass along something I heard today. I can't corroborate this, however I will try my best during my travels to do so.
I am told Big 12 Consultants presented an alternative to the LHN, that would prove quite lucrative to the Big 12, assuming expansion to key markets and 14 members is agreed upon. Whether the network is linear or not, I do not know.
Stay tuned.
The Day After!
After a rather lengthy dinner and post dinner chat, I have a few updates for you from last evening.
Areas where the Big 12 institutions will focus when reviewing expansion candidates will be;
Strength of the institutions athletic department. More precisely, financials, leadership and staff, institution and private support, achievments, facilities, strategic plan, marketing, athletic academic support and success, cost of attendance.
Fan base size. More precisely the logistical makeup of the fan base (it’s reach), it’s cultural makeup, it’s willingness to support, it’s financial support, it’s national makeup. Finally, the alumni makeup, where are they, do they travel, demographics, etc.
Media market. More precisely an institutions local market, regional market, and national market.
Institutional reputation. More precisely, accomplishments, national and international recognition, staff makeup, funding, endowment, private support, research reputation, etc.
Academic strength. More precisely the measurements of an institutions academics per its independent divisions. For instance, an institutions medical school is ranked high with much success, but their engineering school is not.
The Big 12 has essentially created (3) lists of candidates for expansion;
The first list are those institutions who meet most or all the Big 12 membership criteria, need time to grow (2-5 years), and become P5 institutions. You can think of these institutions as those who have sufficient athletics funding, Tier 1 research institutions, academic success, athletic culture, and membership to the Big 12 would raise their status sooner than later.
The second list are those institutions who have athletic culture, however would not be considered as full member. These institutions could be institutions with football culture, but lack full athletics culture, or fail to meet specific Big 12 criteria in the form of Research and or Academics.
The third list are institutions that meet some of the Big 12 membership criteria, need time to grow (5-8 years), and become P5 institutions. These are institutions with high growth potential, membership to the Big 12 will allow these institutions in 5-8 years, to be P5 type institutions and still grow.
Institutions like Cincinnati and UCONN make the first list. While institutions like Boise State or UCF make the second list. Institutions like Memphis or Temple make the third list.
These lists are important in terms of negotiations, because if the Big 12 decides 4 is the right number for expansion two levels of candidates may be asked to join. So for a institution on the first list, the institution may propose a lesser time frame for the institutions transition to full membership. Where a institution on the second list, may have a transition period, however at a reduced full membership amount. Finally, a institution on the third list may be forced to offer concessions to the Big 12 for membership. Keep in mind the ball is the institutions hands when it comes to enticing the Big 12 for membership, however the Big 12 also must keep the big picture in mind.
Western based expansion does not generate short term or long term benefits, unless one considers partial membership such as football only. The money is not there when you talk to the network folks, which as we know is hurting the PAC 12 now, and long term. That said, membership to Boise State, and or BYU could be enticing, and profitable by brand for the Big 12.
Long term Eastward expansion is the desire of most Big 12 members. Institutions like Cincinnati and UCONN are great institutions, which with Big 12 membership will become quality long term P5 members. Institutions like UCF and Memphis have great potential, although they lack Big 12 Academic qualities.
Institutions unlike Cincinnati will have to present proposals showing not only their Athletic plans, but their Institutional plans in terms of Academics, Research, Endownment, etc.
Right now, I believe list 1 candidates Cincinnati and UCONN are 11 and 12 after discussions last night. I know I said Memphis as 12 prior, but last night changed my mind considerably. Then after 11 and 12, you have list 3 institutions like UCF and Memphis versus list 2 institutions BYU and Boise State. Ultimately, if the Big 12 President’s are not confident with list 3 candidates proposals, they can fall back on list 2 candidates who help them now.
I will post more in a few days, I have meetings in New York to attend to.
Go Bearcats!
All institutions who desire candidacy will need to make a formal proposal to the Big 12. Interviews with the Big 12 (Expansion Committee, I will call it) will follow. The Big 12 BOT will then discuss candidates via teleconference and also have access to contact candidates on their own. The Big 12 BOT may then decide to negotiate with specific institutions, or they may offer proposals to specific institutions. A lot depends on the institution proposals, and which direction the Big BOT chooses to proceed with.
The Big 12 is looking for a 60-90 day period to complete this work. At the same time, expansion will also affect how the Big 12 creates divisions, scheduling, etc. so a lot of factors are in play. Scheduling will also have a negative affect on BYU, in trying to terminate numerous scheduling agreements in such a short period of time. BYU has so many issues to overcome, my colleagues and I don't see any possibility of them succeeding.
Gotta run, but just want to pass along something I heard today. I can't corroborate this, however I will try my best during my travels to do so.
I am told Big 12 Consultants presented an alternative to the LHN, that would prove quite lucrative to the Big 12, assuming expansion to key markets and 14 members is agreed upon. Whether the network is linear or not, I do not know.
Stay tuned.
Note: The last part "I am told Big 12 Consultants presented an alternative to the LHN, that would prove quite lucrative to the Big 12, assuming expansion to key markets and 14 members is agreed upon. Whether the network is linear or not, I do not know." is interesting in light of the recent tweet by Kirk Bohls:
Kirk Bohls @kbohls 2h2 hours ago
Bowlsby added that the Big 12 presidents discussed the Longhorn Network "openly and frankly." Declined to say if Texas made any concessions.
Kirk Bohls @kbohls 2h2 hours ago
Bowlsby added that the Big 12 presidents discussed the Longhorn Network "openly and frankly." Declined to say if Texas made any concessions.
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MH ver3 @MH ver3 22m22 minutes ago
Bowlsby is talking to AZ, Colorado, and Arizona St over the next few days regarding their interest in The B12.
Brian Capstick @CappyVanWinkle 21m21 minutes ago
@MH ver3 nope
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@CappyVanWinkle yep
Galveston Island Guy @GalvIsleGuy 18m18 minutes ago
@MH ver3 why bother? GOR makes it so unlikely.
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@GalvIsleGuy not really. Or so I'm told. Waiting out GOR but have a deal in place?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 21m21 minutes ago
Then talks will begin anew with BYU, UC, Uconn, UCF, Memphis, Colorado St, and Houston.
UCFKNIGHT2003 @ucfknight2003 20m20 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Bulls hit. Texas doesnt want Houston in
MH ver3 @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
@ucfknight2003 agreed but they are one being talked to regardless.
Matthew McLaren @Cyzmc 21m21 minutes ago
@MH ver3 what is the prevailing thought on how this goes? 2 or 4 and who?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@Cyzmc not sure
Damian A. Garbero @damianagarbero 19m19 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Timeline on B12's goal to invite 2-4 teams?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@damianagarbero Soon as possible
Damian A. Garbero @damianagarbero 15m15 minutes ago
@MH ver3 I'm assuming that penalties would just be paid by the B12 so they could move forward ASAP.
Murr @MurrDCU 18m18 minutes ago
@MH ver3 any realistic chance the PAC schools could join B12 in next year or two?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 15m15 minutes ago
@MurrDCU b12 leaders seem to think so
MH ver3 @MH ver3 3m3 minutes ago
Bowlsby has been granted full authority to speak to other schools on behalf of B12. Vote still required to add though.
MH ver3 @MH ver3 2m2 minutes ago
ESPN and fox both still offering to rework B12 contract for any expansion in lieu of pro rata.
MH ver3 @MH ver3 1m1 minute ago
Reworked contract would be more money than pro rata but will also remove pro rata for any future additions.
Andrew Wamugi @AndrewWamugi 3m3 minutes ago
@MH ver3 what is the PAC 12 GOR situation? Do they have one?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 2m2 minutes ago
@AndrewWamugi They have one but I'm hearing things about selling share of P12N to buy out GOR.
Andrew Wamugi @AndrewWamugi 56s56 seconds ago
@MH ver3 what about revisiting the talks of converting LHN to Big 12 Network?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 7h7 hours ago
This is going to be a crazy 6-8 weeks.
#big12expansion.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 7h7 hours ago
Who is willing to receive the deepest B12 payout haircuts from 2017-2022?
#uconn
#ucf
#memphis
#uc
#uh
#byu
#csu
#usf
#bsu
???
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
For there to be a Big 12 Network there will need to be someone who will invest in it...own it...a FOX....a ESPN...a Sugar daddy.
Who?
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 6h6 hours ago
@flugempire Don't think tradition network, just don't. this thing is going to be all digital and likely conference owned
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@RedDirtSport
If it's conference owned then Big 12 schools will have to upfront the costs....
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
BTM just sent email:
"OU contacts have not moved off"
"Cincinnati and UCONN are tier above in eyes of Oklahoma"
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
I will speak with BTM tomorrow night (we think)
I sent BTM email to ask OU contacts on their belief of B12 going to 14...and who is 13-14
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
Hopefully we get a sense what OU contacts are thinking on possibility of 13-14 and who..
..will see.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
But obviously, according to BTM email of 8:33am this morning, OU contacts have same belief today as they did in Jan-May
UC/UCONN
Carson Ingle @caingle 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Could UConn just be the impression based on Big 10 bias? I really don't get them as a choice. No upside there. Hard to get to.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@caingle
This info is coming from OU contacts...same people who broke B12 wrestling expansion on Twitter through BTM.
So will see..
Paul Hornstein @pfh1964 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Has BTM ever said why B10 not interested in UCONN?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@pfh1964
BTM has stated B10 thinks highly of UCONN.
But never given reason why not UCONN..other than to say there are other future targets
Storrs South @UConn6thBorough 5h5 hours ago
Storrs South Retweeted John Silver
@flugempire I presume this is strictly gaining traction with the media but B12 has no interest in this w/o MBB/WBB
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough
It makes no sense.
Stewart Mandel @slmandel 5h5 hours ago
How abrupt a 180 did the Big 12 presidents pull yesterday? Others within/connected to the league expected the exact opposite announcement.
jessicalarson @sooner2016 5h5 hours ago
@slmandel @flugempire It flipped because UT got an out during negotiations. Orangeblood source on Nebraska radio station this morning.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@sooner2016 @slmandel
Please explain.
If you have link to audio please provide.
Thanks
jessicalarson @sooner2016 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire go to sharp and benning 1620thezone in nebraska. It starts at the 16:42 mark. ….By today’s standards it’s a reputable source
jessicalarson @sooner2016 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire saying that UT will move on in 3 years. It’s pretty clear IMHO that this is why the B12 is going to expand
Bowlsby is talking to AZ, Colorado, and Arizona St over the next few days regarding their interest in The B12.
Brian Capstick @CappyVanWinkle 21m21 minutes ago
@MH ver3 nope
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@CappyVanWinkle yep
Galveston Island Guy @GalvIsleGuy 18m18 minutes ago
@MH ver3 why bother? GOR makes it so unlikely.
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@GalvIsleGuy not really. Or so I'm told. Waiting out GOR but have a deal in place?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 21m21 minutes ago
Then talks will begin anew with BYU, UC, Uconn, UCF, Memphis, Colorado St, and Houston.
UCFKNIGHT2003 @ucfknight2003 20m20 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Bulls hit. Texas doesnt want Houston in
MH ver3 @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
@ucfknight2003 agreed but they are one being talked to regardless.
Matthew McLaren @Cyzmc 21m21 minutes ago
@MH ver3 what is the prevailing thought on how this goes? 2 or 4 and who?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@Cyzmc not sure
Damian A. Garbero @damianagarbero 19m19 minutes ago
@MH ver3 Timeline on B12's goal to invite 2-4 teams?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
@damianagarbero Soon as possible
Damian A. Garbero @damianagarbero 15m15 minutes ago
@MH ver3 I'm assuming that penalties would just be paid by the B12 so they could move forward ASAP.
Murr @MurrDCU 18m18 minutes ago
@MH ver3 any realistic chance the PAC schools could join B12 in next year or two?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 15m15 minutes ago
@MurrDCU b12 leaders seem to think so
MH ver3 @MH ver3 3m3 minutes ago
Bowlsby has been granted full authority to speak to other schools on behalf of B12. Vote still required to add though.
MH ver3 @MH ver3 2m2 minutes ago
ESPN and fox both still offering to rework B12 contract for any expansion in lieu of pro rata.
MH ver3 @MH ver3 1m1 minute ago
Reworked contract would be more money than pro rata but will also remove pro rata for any future additions.
Andrew Wamugi @AndrewWamugi 3m3 minutes ago
@MH ver3 what is the PAC 12 GOR situation? Do they have one?
MH ver3 @MH ver3 2m2 minutes ago
@AndrewWamugi They have one but I'm hearing things about selling share of P12N to buy out GOR.
Andrew Wamugi @AndrewWamugi 56s56 seconds ago
@MH ver3 what about revisiting the talks of converting LHN to Big 12 Network?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 7h7 hours ago
This is going to be a crazy 6-8 weeks.
#big12expansion.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 7h7 hours ago
Who is willing to receive the deepest B12 payout haircuts from 2017-2022?
#uconn
#ucf
#memphis
#uc
#uh
#byu
#csu
#usf
#bsu
???
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
For there to be a Big 12 Network there will need to be someone who will invest in it...own it...a FOX....a ESPN...a Sugar daddy.
Who?
RedDirtSport @RedDirtSport 6h6 hours ago
@flugempire Don't think tradition network, just don't. this thing is going to be all digital and likely conference owned
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
@RedDirtSport
If it's conference owned then Big 12 schools will have to upfront the costs....
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
BTM just sent email:
"OU contacts have not moved off"
"Cincinnati and UCONN are tier above in eyes of Oklahoma"
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
I will speak with BTM tomorrow night (we think)
I sent BTM email to ask OU contacts on their belief of B12 going to 14...and who is 13-14
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
Hopefully we get a sense what OU contacts are thinking on possibility of 13-14 and who..
..will see.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 6h6 hours ago
But obviously, according to BTM email of 8:33am this morning, OU contacts have same belief today as they did in Jan-May
UC/UCONN
Carson Ingle @caingle 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Could UConn just be the impression based on Big 10 bias? I really don't get them as a choice. No upside there. Hard to get to.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@caingle
This info is coming from OU contacts...same people who broke B12 wrestling expansion on Twitter through BTM.
So will see..
Paul Hornstein @pfh1964 5h5 hours ago
@flugempire Has BTM ever said why B10 not interested in UCONN?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@pfh1964
BTM has stated B10 thinks highly of UCONN.
But never given reason why not UCONN..other than to say there are other future targets
Storrs South @UConn6thBorough 5h5 hours ago
Storrs South Retweeted John Silver
@flugempire I presume this is strictly gaining traction with the media but B12 has no interest in this w/o MBB/WBB
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@UConn6thBorough
It makes no sense.
Stewart Mandel @slmandel 5h5 hours ago
How abrupt a 180 did the Big 12 presidents pull yesterday? Others within/connected to the league expected the exact opposite announcement.
jessicalarson @sooner2016 5h5 hours ago
@slmandel @flugempire It flipped because UT got an out during negotiations. Orangeblood source on Nebraska radio station this morning.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire 5h5 hours ago
@sooner2016 @slmandel
Please explain.
If you have link to audio please provide.
Thanks
jessicalarson @sooner2016 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire go to sharp and benning 1620thezone in nebraska. It starts at the 16:42 mark. ….By today’s standards it’s a reputable source
jessicalarson @sooner2016 4h4 hours ago
@flugempire saying that UT will move on in 3 years. It’s pretty clear IMHO that this is why the B12 is going to expand