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Sorry, should be six Big12 CCG that Nebraska was in, sorry.
 
I can't believe I am writing this but the Dude of WV just made a good point.

Dayooper correctly pointed out the real purpose of the B12 GOR is to maximize the media contract. So theoretically if the media contract was voided due to departures then the GOR's purpose would cease to exist. But that is not what the B12 GOR states. It is left vague and those open for interpretation. It is not tied to the media contract in any way.

Programs like WVU will try and use the GOR to force other B12 programs to remain in the conference. As the Dude stated the conference owns the GOR not the media partner. Will it work? Probably not...if the media money is in conference realignment then the money wins. But it will be ugly and there is no doubt programs like WVU will recognize their very future is in holding the Big12 together till the B12 GOR expires in 2025. So far no conference has succeeded in keeping a team once it has announced its intention to leave but it will be a messy court battle over the GOR if a B12 teams tries to bolt.
 
Complying with the GoR is not a big deal as long as the team gets paid for its content. They just give the media rights to their home games to their old conference. They get a check for their home games from the old conference and a check for their road games from the new conference.

If the old conference claims it keeps the GoR but doesn't have to compensate the departing team for its content, then there is the basis for a lawsuit.
 
And as long as the media company doesn't decrease the money to the conference, voilà. Media company might be happy, new conference is happy, school is happy... Lawyers are giddy.
 
Sportsman5 said:
the thing that doesn't make sense is that he assumes all of the schools get their home state to carry the BIG 12 netowork. I highly doubt this happens. On the other hand, he assums UConn wouldn't get any part of eastern New York or the New England states other than Connecticut. To me UConn brings a minimum of 10 million people while the other schools besides BYU will struggle to bring 5 million.
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Yes. Many silly assumptions. Where does the 11M for Cinci come from? He's giving them the whole state, but they certainly do not have that kind of pull and are second fiddle in their own home market. They would actually get some play in the Cinci suburbs in Northern Kentucky, but would be pretty much nothing in northern Ohio.

Neither Florida school does much to move the needle in Florida, so those numbers are grossly inflated.
 
UCF could get $0.10 throughout Florida and $0.25 in metro Orlando. UConn could get $2.40 throughout Connecticut, and $0.20 in New York City and Boston.
 
dayooper said:
From a different thread

We don't know what will happen, but to make a blanket statement like that really doesn't make sense to me. College sports is all about coaching. Since joining the Big10, Nebraska has had a mediocre coach in Pelini and a wtf coach in Mike Riley. Since Tom Osborne retired, there has been a series of lousy coaches in Lincoln. In fact, they really weren't doing all that well while playing in the Big12. There were 15 Big12 championship games while Nebraska was part of the Big12. They played in only five, winning two of them. Three of those were in the first four years. Two of them while Osborne was coach. The worst part of it is they played in a division with ISU, Colorado, Kansas, KSU, Missouri. Nebraska's slide was started well before they went to the Big10. If they get a bluechip coach they will be back.

Nebraska was sliding after Osborne left. He took a lot of questionable kids, both academically and behaviorally (Lawerence Phillips) and won with those kids that no one would touch.
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I am a long time Nebraska fan (that's what happens when you are from Kansas and grow up in CT I guess). I think you are spot on. I think calling them irrelevant is wrong. They still sell out completely and travel better than anyone. What that means to me is that if they can get a coach that can get them over the hump, they will be very good again, very quickly. Their base of support remains tremendous and is an advantage.
 
Nebraska isn't irrelevant...they're just chin deep in a really bad cycle (for them). They have the best fans in the country and would take over the Rent if they ever came here. That alone keeps them relevant. There will always be a huge passionate fanbase that demands success. They'll figure it out. I'm nowhere near as worried about Nebraska football as others.
 
The problem with Nebraska is recruiting.

They lost Texas...not a 2016 recruit from Texas. And have not a real recruiting area.

And only three 4 star guys and a bunch of 3 stars. Unlike Michigan (13 four stars), Ohio State (16 four star or better), Michigan State (13 four stars).

Nebraska can compete in the weaker division...but the eastern big boys are pulling away.
 
billybud said:
The problem with Nebraska is recruiting.

They lost Texas...not a 2016 recruit from Texas. And have not a real recruiting area.
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As someone else said, re: Oklahoma. Nebraska previously played in the Big Eight without any Texas teams. They still recruited Texas in the past.

Perhaps their non-recruiting of Texas could have something to do with their coaching change and the hiring of a guy who's career has been predominantly spent on the West Coast?

Recruiting is about relationships. Look at where Mike Riley has coached and look where his recruits are from.

This is how we ended up with a who's who of All-League Connecticut players before we smartened up and cut off our PP.
 
They are hugely irrelevant to be honest right now. Maybe they turn it on again in the future, but it won't be until Meyer and Harbaugh leave the B1G. At least PSU has fertile recruiting grounds in PA, Jersey, etc.

Dooley said:
Nebraska isn't irrelevant...they're just chin deep in a really bad cycle (for them). They have the best fans in the country and would take over the Rent if they ever came here. That alone keeps them relevant. There will always be a huge passionate fanbase that demands success. They'll figure it out. I'm nowhere near as worried about Nebraska football as others.
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It's not from where recruits come, it's who they are. There were 11 Cornhuskers from Texas on the 2015 team. there were 6 on 1994 National Championship team. The Recruiting ground for Nebraska was and is now, Nebraska.
 
billybud said:
The problem with Nebraska is recruiting.

They lost Texas...not a 2016 recruit from Texas. And have not a real recruiting area.

And only three 4 star guys and a bunch of 3 stars. Unlike Michigan (13 four stars), Ohio State (16 four star or better), Michigan State (13 four stars).

Nebraska can compete in the weaker division...but the eastern big boys are pulling away.
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They also suffer from Nebraska high school football dying a quick death.

Farming got more efficient and the families got smaller. A lot of schools have dropped the sport, gone to co-ops or are playing less than 11v11 with tiny rosters.

Their other problem is expectations. It will continue to cycle if 9 wins seasons aren't enough in the future because that is their ceiling without an amazing hire.
 
Nebraska has been hanging around...making the final AP Top 25 several times in the last ten seasons...but not breaking into the top (rankings of 19, 20, 24)...then zippo for final rankings last six years.
 
billybud said:
The problem with Nebraska is recruiting.

They lost Texas...not a 2016 recruit from Texas. And have not a real recruiting area.

And only three 4 star guys and a bunch of 3 stars. Unlike Michigan (13 four stars), Ohio State (16 four star or better), Michigan State (13 four stars).

Nebraska can compete in the weaker division...but the eastern big boys are pulling away.
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Momentum builds momentum. Does anyone here feel like Michigan State has been a historically powerful program? They haven't. They landed a great coach, and are riding the momentum. Go back pre-Saban, and Alabama wasn't doing much of anything. They had a tough stretch. Kentucky basketball has had tough stretches too. Ohio State football too, and not long ago. Michigan is just now coming out of a rough stretch. Indiana basketball still hasn't recovered from the Knight era.

Nebraska has amazing fan support. So all they need is the right coach, a strong season or two to build momentum and they'd be back in the thick of it.
 
Coaching changes can help recruiting...Franklin at Penn State, Jimbo at FSU, Saban at Alabama, Harbaugh at Michigan...Fedora at UNC, etc

And sometimes not...Nebraska, Golden at Miami, Texas, etc,
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yes. Many silly assumptions. Where does the 11M for Cinci come from? He's giving them the whole state, but they certainly do not have that kind of pull and are second fiddle in their own home market. They would actually get some play in the Cinci suburbs in Northern Kentucky, but would be pretty much nothing in northern Ohio.

Neither Florida school does much to move the needle in Florida, so those numbers are grossly inflated.
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Sportsman5 said:
the thing that doesn't make sense is that he assumes all of the schools get their home state to carry the BIG 12 netowork. I highly doubt this happens. On the other hand, he assums UConn wouldn't get any part of eastern New York or the New England states other than Connecticut. To me UConn brings a minimum of 10 million people while the other schools besides BYU will struggle to bring 5 million.
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To add to your train of thought: Big-12 is carried on Fox platforms & Fox owns a significant part of the YES Network. Currently, Cablevision is playing it's hardball renegotiation game with YES & taken it off of their systems. If UCONN were added to the XII & YES was broadcasting Tier 3 XII games how long would it take the Dolans to cave? I know that they are negotiation nut jobs, but UCONN's history with SNY shows that they can be a media "game changer" as SNY got 100% penetration on cable systems in CT. within a month of Signing up the Huskies.
 
Sportsman5 said:
the thing that doesn't make sense is that he assumes all of the schools get their home state to carry the BIG 12 netowork. I highly doubt this happens. On the other hand, he assums UConn wouldn't get any part of eastern New York or the New England states other than Connecticut. To me UConn brings a minimum of 10 million people while the other schools besides BYU will struggle to bring 5 million.
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BYU wont bring as many TV sets as people seem to think. No cable company is adding a network to their primary tier because they have 7500 mormons in town that want to watch.
 
As has been pointed out, Nebraska never recruited Texas to the extent that Oklahoma has. They were built by Devaney through large, plains states farmboys in the trenches and inner-city (initially Chicago) at skill positions.

Osborne built his teams with national recruiting (California, Florida, New Jersey we always hit big). An average at best hire (Solich) was followed by a monumental error (Callahan was as damaging to them as Padqualoni was to us), but I still believe the loss of their rivalry with OU (the most negative result of the B-12 forming) has hurt them more than anything. Restoring that rivalry would be an immense addition to the B1G and would be a shot in the arm for Nebraska's football program.
 
Dooley said:
Nebraska isn't irrelevant...they're just chin deep in a really bad cycle (for them). They have the best fans in the country and would take over the Rent if they ever came here. That alone keeps them relevant. There will always be a huge passionate fanbase that demands success. They'll figure it out. I'm nowhere near as worried about Nebraska football as others.
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I agree about their fans. The school is the pride of almost everyone that every called Nebraska home. Football and its past success is the source that unites all Huskers wherever they currently reside. My best friend here is a Husker grad.
UConn (in Basketball ) is not that far behind represented by our takeover of MSG in 2014. I have always felt the conditions for the state to adopt football to as great a % as we have historically embraced basketball is a huge plus.. I call it UConn as the Nebraska model. Small state, no pro team ,and really the only significant attraction.
We can sell our situation as a potential Nebraska model with the added benefit of a better market.
 
How many straight years did the Huskers sell out their home games?

Since 1962 last I heard.

Nebraska prospered in their days of a relentless ground attack. Led by big offensive linemen (often seniors), Nebraska wore down opponents and gashed for yards and TD's.

One of the first dates with my now wife (our first was 9-16-80 vs Louisville) was a TV football party where we watched FSU-Nebraska (a couple of weeks later). The sportsmanship of the Husker fans is now part of Nole folklore. The team, coaches, and fans who journeyed to Lincoln, have talked about it for years.
 
billybud said:
How many straight years did the Huskers sell out their home games?

Since 1962 last I heard.

Nebraska prospered in their days of a relentless ground attack. Led by big offensive linemen (often seniors), Nebraska wore down opponents and gashed for yards and TD's.

One of the first dates with my now wife (our first was 9-16-80 vs Louisville) was a TV football party where we watched FSU-Nebraska (a couple of weeks later). The sportsmanship of the Husker fans is now part of Nole folklore. The team, coaches, and fans who journeyed to Lincoln, have talked about it for years.
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When I was 24 I spent a night in Lincoln driving cross country. Growing up in and around NYC my two distinct memories are:

* Seeing a cowboy wearing chaps. At that point I had never seen chaps on anyone outside of a participant in a pride parade in the West Village. I had no idea they served an actual purpose for farmers.

* I went to a sports bar and ordered nachos. The waitress asked me if I wanted regular or "EYE-TALIAN" nachos, which I was informed was dried pasta with marinara and melted mozzarella cheese.

Overall, great town.
 

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