Non-Key Tweets

[CL82]

FYI...as requested, just creaked a new thread in the Cesspool; but, did not see how I can tag anyone.

Just use the @ symbol before their handle as in @Mr. Conehead

 

[CoastAtlantic]

G R E G S W A I M SHOW ‏@GSw aim 9h9 hours ago
Quiet whispers from OU media about #Sooners going to #SEC, and taking #Bedlam buddy #OKState, getting LOUDER!!


ME: that changes things a lot. Those who are pro-B1G might look at it as good news because without Oklahoma they may be forced to look at an Eastern school to go along with Kansas. Texas would go to either PAC or ACC.

 

[pj]

That seems like a logical outcome that benefits the big players. Kansas and UConn to B1G and Fox+others, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to SEC and ESPN, Texas to indy-ACC and ESPN. Nobody gets hurt except the B12 leftovers; the networks save money and increase the value of their marquis properties.

 

[Stinger92860]

Should OU, OSU and Texas leave the b12 the top of the AAC may likely merge with the B12 which has consider going to 12. That makes for a pretty good conference, better than what the AAC is now. KU and UConn to B1g would be great, but I would think they need to have one top brand football program in the group.

 

[CallMeBruce]

If people are poaching teams again, I'd think the B1G would rather have UVA than either Kansas or UConn, which means we'd be competing with KU for that spot. I think that could still work, and I'd imagine that, if the B1G takes UVA, the ACC would add whichever team of Kansas/UConn that the B1G left on the board.

 

[NYUConn]

If people are poaching teams again, I'd think the B1G would rather have UVA than either Kansas or UConn, which means we'd be competing with KU for that spot. I think that could still work, and I'd imagine that, if the B1G takes UVA, the ACC would add whichever team of Kansas/UConn that the B1G left on the board.

In this scenario I don't see how a OU/OSU move to the SEC causes UVA to jump from the ACC.

If anything an OU/OSU departure to the SEC probably pushes Texas to the ACC, stabilizing that conference for years to come.

 

[whaler11]

Why in the world would the SEC want Oklahoma State AND Oklahoma?

You know before moving the next set of dominos ya might want to figure out why the SEC teams would want to take less money each to add those teams.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Why in the world would the SEC want Oklahoma State AND Oklahoma?

You know before moving the next set of dominos ya might want to figure out why the SEC teams would want to take less money each to add those teams.

Oklahoma probably has enough value as a brand to justify bringing in both, and it may be a condition of bringing Oklahoma in.

In this scenario I don't see how a OU/OSU move to the SEC causes UVA to jump from the ACC.

If anything an OU/OSU departure to the SEC probably pushes Texas to the ACC, stabilizing that conference for years to come.

The B1G has a network, and the ACC doesn't. Getting Texas's non-football sports isn't going to change that, so there's more money (and more prestige) in the B1G.

 

[UConnJim]

Why in the world would the SEC want Oklahoma State AND Oklahoma?

You know before moving the next set of dominos ya might want to figure out why the SEC teams would want to take less money each to add those teams.

I don't think it would mean less money. Adding OU and OSU to the SEC with Texas A&M, LSU, and Arkansas would really solidify the SEC's position in Texas even without bringing in University of Texas as all of the schools have large number of alumni in Texas. And, it would add more marquis matches to the SEC, which, down the road with cable unbundling, will become even more important for conference financials.

Personally, I don't think OU and OSU are going to the SEC, but crazier things have happened in conference realignment.

 

[jlarson]

G R E G S W A I M SHOW ‏@GSw aim 9h9 hours ago
Quiet whispers from OU media about #Sooners going to #SEC, and taking #Bedlam buddy #OKState, getting LOUDER!!


ME: that changes things a lot. Those who are pro-B1G might look at it as good news because without Oklahoma they may be forced to look at an Eastern school to go along with Kansas. Texas would go to either PAC or ACC.

Well, considering his "radio" show is from a town of 800 some people, and he has zero connections to the University of Oklahoma, and is known to outright lie to get ratings, you guys shouldn't post his stuff anywhere. He is just posting stuff on twitter about conference realignment stuff to try and get a couple of more people to listen to him. Isn't going to work since people in Oklahoma know he is a fraud.

 

[whaler11]

I don't think it would mean less money. Adding OU and OSU to the SEC with Texas A&M, LSU, and Arkansas would really solidify the SEC's position in Texas even without bringing in University of Texas as all of the schools have large number of alumni in Texas. And, it would add more marquis matches to the SEC, which, down the road with cable unbundling, will become even more important for conference financials.

Personally, I don't think OU and OSU are going to the SEC, but crazier things have happened in conference realignment.

They need to generate another ~$120 million minimum annually for the other schools to break even.

Rounding for ease. Schools get 40 and ESPN get half of the network money which is about 20.

$12 a year per OK cable subscriber (if they can get the increase) and the additional tier 1 and tier 2 money is going to be over a billion dollars over a decade because that is about what they need to generate to keep everyone whole.

Hard to see anyone making the math work to add both of them.

 

[whaler11]

When you think about how much revenue a new school needs to bring to the Big Ten or SEC to join it really narrows their options.

The list of schools they can pick from outside of those two leagues is pretty small.

SEC: Oklahoma, UNC, Texas, ND, VPI/UVA maybe Kansas

Big Ten: Florida State, Oklahoma, Texas, ND, UNC, Virginia/VPI, Georgia Tech, maybe Kansas

 

[UC1995]

Well, considering his "radio" show is from a town of 800 some people, and he has zero connections to the University of Oklahoma, and is known to outright lie to get ratings, you guys shouldn't post his stuff anywhere. He is just posting stuff on twitter about conference realignment stuff to try and get a couple of more people to listen to him. Isn't going to work since people in Oklahoma know he is a fraud.

I think you are forgetting what a non-key tweet means. This is exactly the kind of nonsense we need on this page!

 

[pj]

If people are poaching teams again, I'd think the B1G would rather have UVA than either Kansas or UConn, which means we'd be competing with KU for that spot. I think that could still work, and I'd imagine that, if the B1G takes UVA, the ACC would add whichever team of Kansas/UConn that the B1G left on the board.

Poaching the ACC is not feasible before 2025. It's not only the GoR, the B1G wants ESPN participation in its new contract, which won't happen if the B1G tries to poach ESPN properties. If ESPN dropped out as a bidder the bid from Fox/NBC/CBS etc would dry up.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Poaching the ACC is not feasible before 2025. It's not only the GoR, the B1G wants ESPN participation in its new contract, which won't happen if the B1G tries to poach ESPN properties. If ESPN dropped out as a bidder the bid from Fox/NBC/CBS etc would dry up.

LOLwut? You think that the B1G isn't going to get bidders if they make ESPN mad? That's lunacy. They're much too valuable to not get a ton of money from FOX on this. In fact, if anything, FOX is going to reward them for poaching from the ACC.

And if the B12 starts hemorrhaging teams, that would be pretty good evidence that the GORs don't have a lot of teeth, wouldn't it?

 

[itgoeslike]

I doubt the SEC takes Oklahoma State unless ESPN locks up Texas in the transition. If ESPN grabs the top two brands in the Big12 it's probably worth it. They still have an opportunity to pick up the remaining B12 schools at a discount (like the AAC).

I don't think UVA leaves unless ESPN wants them to, and they wouldn't undermine/devalue their own content unless it made sense as part of a broader deal, i.e., it's rolled into a successful Big Ten bid.

 

[pj]

Businesspeople know not to bid against themselves. In sports broadcasting, you bid against ESPN. If ESPN is not bidding, you get contracts like the AAC's. The B1G would get a great deal more of course, but to match the SEC's income, they need to keep ESPN as an aggressive bidder.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Businesspeople know not to bid against themselves. In sports broadcasting, you bid against ESPN. If ESPN is not bidding, you get contracts like the AAC's. The B1G would get a great deal more of course, but to match the SEC's income, they need to keep ESPN as an aggressive bidder.

I don't buy that ESPN isn't going to bid on the B1G if they take UVA. They already took Maryland. What's the difference there?

 

[pj]

I don't buy that ESPN isn't going to bid on the B1G if they take UVA. They already took Maryland. What's the difference there?

Maryland was unexpected and executed as a fait accompli; discussions for the B1G contract had not yet begun. It was quickly followed by steps like the GoR to prevent a recurrence. You can no longer do that without de facto consent from the TV networks.

 

[whaler11]

If I were the Big Ten I'd want to get crackin on my deal. If third quarter spits out a million cord cutters or some absurd number like that - it's going to be that much harder on them.

 

[businesslawyer]

They need to generate another ~$120 million minimum annually for the other schools to break even.

Rounding for ease. Schools get 40 and ESPN get half of the network money which is about 20.

$12 a year per OK cable subscriber (if they can get the increase) and the additional tier 1 and tier 2 money is going to be over a billion dollars over a decade because that is about what they need to generate to keep everyone whole.

Hard to see anyone making the math work to add both of them.

Maybe we should open your own thread for you entitled something like "actual facts as opposed to WAGs." That would be better than raining on our parade every time someone throws out something that makes no sense but has the ability to cheer me up for a minute or two before I process why it makes no sense.

 

[junglehusky]

Maybe we should open your own thread for you entitled something like "actual facts as opposed to WAGs." That would be better than raining on our parade every time someone throws out something that makes no sense but has the ability to cheer me up for a minute or two before I process why it makes no sense.

We could get the mods to put a "you need to wait __ minutes before posting" filter, but have it be active only for @whaler11 and only on the CR board. Just allow us a few scant moments of false hope before brutal reality sets in.

 

[whaler11]

We could get the mods to put a "you need to wait __ minutes before posting" filter, but have it be active only for @whaler11 and only on the CR board. Just allow us a few scant moments of false hope before brutal reality sets in.

Well it was posted for 7.5 hours....

I don't think Oklahoma and Ok State to the SEC would do any good for UConn anyway.

The last thing UConn needs is Texas in the ACC.

UConn fans shouldn't be rooting for the Big 12 to lose teams. They need to root for the ACC to lose teams.

I also wouldn't root against the ACC getting a network. It's not happening, but UConn is a better/more likely add to a league with a network than a league without a network.

 

[Slasher]

I don't see why the SEC would want both. They've been pretty firm about not expanding into a state they're already in, if they get Oklahoma why would they want a 2nd team in the 28th biggest state? The other states with two are "grandfathered" in and that's not going to happen with additions. The 16th would come from Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania or Kansas.

 

[SubbaBub]

Teams with networks need content. Content is this year's cable boxes, which were the previous years football prowess, which was the previous years Championship game.

If the SEC wants to expand OU is likely near the top of their list. At least they wouldn't be kicked out of bed for eating crackers. If the price of OU is OSU, an up and coming (aka financially well supported) program, the SEC might go along.

The collapse of the B12, is terrible for UCONN unless you think combing the top of the AAC with the leftovers of the B12 is the best possible outcome. Even then UCONN is no lock for that group.

Our best hope is the B1G, while keeping the ACC as an option. We know the ACC will only invite us if they are forced to do so by either their network partners or to backfill a spot. No way they go to 16 on their own.

If the ACC option dries up, it likely because someone filled our spot, again. If you ask me our fate lies with the B1G, either as a member or as the replacement for an ACC team invited to the B1G.

All the other more creative options are unlikely. We have one last spin on the wheel of realignment.