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There is an article on cbssports that seems to imply Big 10 is against any deregulation.

I got the same sense - that is the way it was written - but it seems like there is some wiggle room based on additional comments from Delany.

My feeling is that the Big 12 will get their title game without having to expand...which basically ends expansion until the contracts are up in the mid-2020s.
 
I got the same sense - that is the way it was written - but it seems like there is some wiggle room based on additional comments from Delany.

My feeling is that the Big 12 will get their title game without having to expand...which basically ends expansion until the contracts are up in the mid-2020s.

But then again, there's this: http://espn.go.com/college-football...ort-conference-championship-game-deregulation

"We're trying to work our way through it, but I'm less certain of the outcome than I was before," Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told ESPN.com on Sunday, just hours after Oklahomaslid into the College Football Playoff at No. 4. "We don't think we ought to be forced into adding schools in order to have a championship game, but it could end up that way."

Bowlsby said he wants the option of having a title game without the drastic measure of expansion -- though he is certainly willing to consider it.

"It's a part of the discussion we're having, and we won't be making any decisions until after we know how it runs out," he said.
 
But then again, there's this.....

"I agree a conference should not have to expand in order to have a championship game," Delany told ESPN.com. "That wouldn't be right. That's tail wagging dog. On the other hand, I want to have some familiarity -- some knowledge as to how these things are going to play out. I don't want unintended consequences. I don't want to wake up one morning and see some odd structure that's unfamiliar.

"We don't think he should have to expand to have the same option we have," Delany said, "but we feel he should have a structure similar to ours."

Go to two divisions of five each and have the winners play a championship game = Big Ten approval.

I think Delaney is really putting a stick in the ACC's spokes, rather than the Big 12.
 
"I agree a conference should not have to expand in order to have a championship game," Delany told ESPN.com. "That wouldn't be right. That's tail wagging dog. On the other hand, I want to have some familiarity -- some knowledge as to how these things are going to play out. I don't want unintended consequences. I don't want to wake up one morning and see some odd structure that's unfamiliar.

"We don't think he should have to expand to have the same option we have," Delany said, "but we feel he should have a structure similar to ours."

Go to two divisions of five each and have the winners play a championship game = Big Ten approval.

I think Delaney is really putting a stick in the ACC's spokes, rather than the Big 12.
certainly seems that way.
 
"I agree a conference should not have to expand in order to have a championship game," Delany told ESPN.com. "That wouldn't be right. That's tail wagging dog. On the other hand, I want to have some familiarity -- some knowledge as to how these things are going to play out. I don't want unintended consequences. I don't want to wake up one morning and see some odd structure that's unfamiliar.

"We don't think he should have to expand to have the same option we have," Delany said, "but we feel he should have a structure similar to ours."

Go to two divisions of five each and have the winners play a championship game = Big Ten approval.

I think Delaney is really putting a stick in the ACC's spokes, rather than the Big 12.

This. Now what's the angle. Why? Trying to destabilize the ACC? Or pit the the ACC and Big12 against each other? Or maybe he's just being a ?
 
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"I agree a conference should not have to expand in order to have a championship game," Delany told ESPN.com. "That wouldn't be right. That's tail wagging dog. On the other hand, I want to have some familiarity -- some knowledge as to how these things are going to play out. I don't want unintended consequences. I don't want to wake up one morning and see some odd structure that's unfamiliar.

"We don't think he should have to expand to have the same option we have," Delany said, "but we feel he should have a structure similar to ours."

Go to two divisions of five each and have the winners play a championship game = Big Ten approval.

I think Delaney is really putting a stick in the ACC's spokes, rather than the Big 12.

I see what you're saying. But I think the logistics of two divisions of 5 teams makes little to no sense. I think the expansion comes more from a B12 decision to prefer 2 divisions of 6 rather than a green light approval from Emperor Delany. They'll need a Championship Game and having two small divisions to get there just doesn't do much to strengthen the conference. In my opinion, they'll have to add Cinci and Houston and then work on selecting two larger, equal divisions.
 
I see what you're saying. But I think the logistics of two divisions of 5 teams makes little to no sense. I think the expansion comes more from a B12 decision to prefer 2 divisions of 6 rather than a green light approval from Emperor Delany. They'll need a Championship Game and having two small divisions to get there just doesn't do much to strengthen the conference. In my opinion, they'll have to add Cinci and Houston and then work on selecting two larger, equal divisions.

I agree - it is impractical. But I think they're messing with the ACC and the Big 12 is just collateral damage.

If they did expand, (I tend to doubt they will), I don't think they take Houston - I get the political issues, but it makes the Big 12 footprint issue even more acute.
 
Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
The question - B12 Expansion: Will SEC/B1G/PAC allow B12 to pick top 2 of 10 school conference to play CCG without splitting into divisions?

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
If the answer is yes...B12 gains a structural advantage over other P5 because their CCG will be assured MAXED OUT SOS.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
If the answer is no...B12 does not want two 5 school divisions...so if they want CCG they will need to expand conference by 2 schools.

Zach Barnett‏@zach_barnett 3h3 hours ago
Jim Delany continues to be the Big 12's nemesis http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14307386/big-ten-amendment-slows-big-12-effort-conference-championship-game-deregulation…

Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 2h2 hours ago
Jim Delany is the best friend of Cincinnati and 1 of either Houston or Memphis right now. #Big12Expansion

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago

Greg Flugaur Retweeted Frank the Tank

https://mobile.twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/673667387359518720… Must read Frank The Tank tweet

Christopher Lambert
@theDudeofWV

Yet another reason for the B12 to expand. B1G trying to force divisions.
5:02 PM - 6 Dec 2015

Hawkeye
@hawkeyeND

@theDudeofWV unfair advantage for a conference being able to pick the 2 highest ranked teams, while Stanford had to play a 4-loss USC team
5:05 PM - 6 Dec 2015

Christopher Lambert
@theDudeofWV

@hawkeyeND I agree.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago

Greg Flugaur Retweeted

https://mobile.twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/673668931282956288… The Dude does deserve a tip of the hat for this tweet.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
@OmegaSupreme914 @posas13 @Expansion_Crush @pfac51 @TampaBadger @smagula @MitchWGreen @NebGradDubDub Get ready UC & UH..get ready


ME: Not to worry. The realignment twitterati has got it all covered. ;)
 
We need to hope that the Big 12 stays put....or expands to 14.

There's no movement coming from the other conferences right now, so we're in our box.

If the Big 12 expands and takes two from the American, it'd be catastrophic.

The ESPN contract would likely be terminated....

UConn, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple are considered "A" schools under the contract. Everyone else is a "B" school.

If two "A" schools or one "A" and one "B" school leave, the contract can and likely would be terminated. If two "B" schools leave, the contract gets renegotiated downward.
 
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h3 hours ago
Yet another reason for the B12 to expand. B1G trying to force divisions.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
You know what… I think Delaney’s proposal is more than fair.

Michael Lucas ‏@MichaelLucasWVU 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV they won't win.. They are the only conference whining about this. Should pass with ease if put to a vote.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@MichaelLucasWVU Depends on if pods count as divisions.

Proud American ‏@NateHarlanYall 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV its actually a genius move and Iowa proved how good they were.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@NateHarlanYall Maybe on Iowa. Do pods count as divisions?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@NateHarlanYall because if the ACC & SEC can’t eventually pick CCG from pod winners it won’t be allowed.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@frankthetank111 Brilliant, & fair, move by Delaney.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@frankthetank111 But do you have any idea of how pods are viewed in B1G amendment?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
Playoff committee sends clear message to Big 12: 13th datapoint is going to hurt you even when it doesn't hurt you.

Jon Solomon ‏@JonSolomonCBS 2h2 hours ago
Bob Bowlsby on 13th data point: Big 12 needs to ask itself if it's disadvantaged & if it's willing to live with it.

The Real Bob Mayhew‏@HabibHaddad 2h2 hours ago
@theDudeofWV The talking heads want 5 power conferences with 14 members each so that the committee can compare apples to apples.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@HabibHaddad Jeff Long pretty much said the Big 12 needs a CCG.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@BlatantHomerism I think it's just fair. Think of the ways the Big 12 could game the system by picking 2 to play CCG.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 2h2 hours ago
@BlatantHomerism I wonder how the amendment would address pods? ACC & SEC have interest in pods instead of divisions. C

Allen Kenney ‏@BlatantHomerism 2h2 hours ago
what’s delany’s end game by blocking this?

SportsNShibes ‏@RedDirtSport 2h2 hours ago
@BlatantHomerism Kansas and Oklahoma

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@RedDirtSport @BlatantHomerism Oklahoma favors Big 12 expansion.

SportsNShibes‏@RedDirtSport 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @BlatantHomerism Which is neat.. but players change

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@RedDirtSport @BlatantHomerism And is pushing expansion. Gee was at UH last week & @PrezOno is privately saying UC is in...

SportsNShibes‏@RedDirtSport 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV @BlatantHomerism I have no doubt short term solutions can occur. GOR isn't getting extended, players change

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@RedDirtSport @BlatantHomerism The writing is on the wall regarding the Big 12 and expansion.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@RedDirtSport @BlatantHomerism With Texas Prez disinterested in sports & UT's athletic dept in disarray Boren has filled the power vacuum.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
Here's a thought: If the B12/ACC legislation doesn't pass or is modified & the Big 12 is forced to expand then does UH's B12 bid suffer?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
If UH was included to compel UT to vote for expansion is UH attractive if they are not needed to force UT's vote?

Mike Swearingen‏@Swearingen20 15m15 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV no

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
@Swearingen20 Its a soap opera.

Mike Swearingen ‏@Swearingen20 3m3 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV as a Memphis fan I think we bring the market the Big 12 wants & it's a bridge to West Va but Tex might want Houston to control

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
Bowlsby said today the Big 12 would not act until the amendment to allow a CCG with 10 is voted on Mid-Jan.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
Bowlsby's comment validates my post that said the B12 would rather have a CCG with 10 than expand.

Desmond Hume ‏@DezyHume 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV why?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@DezyHume If UH is a tool to force UT to vote for expansion they might suffer if UT is forced to vote yes because legislation failed.

Desmond Hume ‏@DezyHume 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV who's the better candidate to replace them? Seems like a toss up.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@DezyHume Memphis has the best football viewing market. BYU has better metrics by far.

danny pritt‏@DaPritt 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV They might take 4 teams, wouldn't that be a hoot! Who ya got CL?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@DaPritt No way. UH & UC are the picks now. If they would add 2 more say BYU & Memphis.

PAL‏@PAL88888 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV Did Tom Herman stay at Houston because he was assured Cougars are getting into B12? Signed 5 year contract.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
@PAL88888 That's the working theory. V

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 1h1 hour ago
Safe bet: in 2017 the Big 12 will have a CCG with or without 12 members.

Garrett Weiss ‏@StrengthOfSpear 1h1 hour ago Florida, USA
@theDudeofWV if the B12 were to ever expand, who would you want?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 53m53 minutes ago
@StrengthOfSpear Honestly? Whoever makes the B12 stronger. If that's UH then so be it.

Jeff Sharon ‏@Jeff_Sharon 1h1 hour ago
@theDudeofWV Bigger question: Will it have a network? If not, it may not get any of those things, and may not even exist much longer.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 54m54 minutes ago
@Jeff_Sharon That's what Boren wants.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 44m44 minutes ago
By the way I'm told Dr. Gee was at UH for some type of American Council on Education (ACE) duty.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 37m37 minutes ago
Read this: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14307386/big-ten-amendment-slows-big-12-effort-conference-championship-game-deregulation…

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 37m37 minutes ago
Then tell me it doesn't sound like Delaney is aiming this more at the ACC than B12.

Sean ‏@smm140 18m18 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV @notCoach_frost @WesJacksonUSF Chris, how do u think things will play at given the current situation?

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 16m16 minutes ago
@smm140 @notCoach_frost @WesJacksonUSF See Bowlsby's comments today.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 14m14 minutes ago
@smm140 @notCoach_frost @WesJacksonUSF But my metrics experiment failed miserably in terms of who would be the most worthy of the unworthy.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 13m13 minutes ago
@smm140 @notCoach_frost @WesJacksonUSF I blasted UH all summer - data supported that - but I didn't value Texas politics enough.

Wesley Jackson ‏@WesJacksonUSF 13m13 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV @smm140 just figured TV sets and recruiting would be huge. Hence USF/UCF combo

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 11m11 minutes ago
@WesJacksonUSF @smm140 To a conf with a network maybe.

Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV 11m11 minutes ago
@WesJacksonUSF @smm140 But there was never any chance of both. Same reason why SEC doesn't like duplicate markets.
 
This. Now what's the angle. Why? Trying to destabilize the ACC? Or pit the the ACC and Big12 against each other? Or maybe he's just being a ?

Just business.

The Big Ten has two divisions and, for better or worse, the two 'champions' play each other in the title game.

What the ACC wants to do is game the process by stepping over a lesser division winner and choosing whoever they feel are the top two teams. They don't want to see a team like Duke '14 in their title game because it could cost them a playoff sport if there's an upset or, more likely, it damages the resume of the eventual ACC champion.

There's no reason for the Big Ten to give a competitor for the four playoff spots an advantage.
 
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Fishy said:
We need to hope that the Big 12 stays put....or expands to 14. There's no movement coming from the other conferences right now, so we're in our box. If the Big 12 expands and takes two from the American, it'd be catastrophic. The ESPN contract would likely be terminated.... UConn, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple are considered "A" schools under the contract. Everyone else is a "B" school. If two "A" schools or one "A" and one "B" school leave, the contract can and likely would be terminated. If two "B" schools leave, the contract gets renegotiated downward.


We'd have to pry Boise away from the Mountain West. Maybe we could threaten to pilfer the Mountain West whether Boise comes with us or not? It is pretty obvious that even without Cincy and Houston that the AAC is going to bury the MWC over time. I watched a lot of football this fall and I don't think I watched more than one MWC game.
 
Just business.

The Big Ten has two divisions and, for better or worse, the two 'champions' play each other in the title game.

What the ACC wants to do is game the process by stepping over a lesser division winner and choosing whoever they feel are the top two teams. They don't want to see a team like Duke '14 in their title game because it could cost them a playoff sport if there's an upset or, more likely, it damages the resume of the eventual ACC champion.

There's no reason for the Big Ten to give a competitor for the four playoff spots an advantage.

They could just split up FSU and Clemson, but they don't seem to want to do that either.
 
HuskyHawk said:
They could just split up FSU and Clemson, but they don't seem to want to do that either.

The difference between power teams and power conferences. The ACC has 2 teams, more like 1 and a half, but Clemson should stick as long as Dabo is around. The B12 has 2 and one is down. OSU and Baylor are on a high because Texas is down.

In order to maximize the CCG, you need to be sure that both division winners are strong. Even the SEC had a dud, but they are the SEC so no one cares that Bama didn't beat anyone nor did any of the teams they played. If you swapped Stanford and Bama's records, Bama would still have gotten in with two losses.

The ACC and B12 want to get the max bump in the polls for their CCG. Delany and friends are saying no freaking way. We play divisions, then you play divisions.
 
We need to hope that the Big 12 stays put....or expands to 14.
There's no movement coming from the other conferences right now, so we're in our box.

If the Big 12 expands and takes two from the American, it'd be catastrophic.

The ESPN contract would likely be terminated....

UConn, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple are considered "A" schools under the contract. Everyone else is a "B" school.

If two "A" schools or one "A" and one "B" school leave, the contract can and likely would be terminated. If two "B" schools leave, the contract gets renegotiated downward.

Yup, this is a real concern. If Cinci and Houston are tapped, that will lower our AAC payout even more. If Cinci, Houston, Memphis and USF/UCF are tapped, then we might as well start a bake sale.

The thought that really concerns me is that P5 conferences all want to be at 14 so that the Playoff committee has a better chance at comparing apples to apples, so to speak. And if the B12 goes up to 14 and we aren't part of it, it could be a LONG time before any P5 rumors start to swirl again. B1G and ACC are already at 14.
 
What the ACC wants to do is game the process by stepping over a lesser division winner and choosing whoever they feel are the top two teams.

Worse yet, they could change their criteria to best game the process in any given year. That would not sit well with the other moms in the neighborhood.
 
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I was against the Conference championship game deregulation because they have divisions for a reason. In basketball, conferences seed their teams at the end of the regular season for their conference tournaments, which makes much more sense. So the argument for doing the same for football makes sense. But alas, football is a mess. No deregulation.
 
I think the incoming fog of ESPN cable losses will really slow CRA. I am beginning to think the B12 will eventually add its two teams after a long struggled, but after that, nothing more happens.

Land of misfit toys after Cincy and Memphis land in the B12:

tier 1
UConn
Boise St
Navy
Temple
Houston <--don't think the tv people will ever let Houston land in the B12 because of the severe market overlap issue.
Air Force
Army (history)

tier 2
USF
UCF
Hawaii
SMU

tier 3
Fresno
Tulsa
San Diego
 
There is a big downside for the Big 12 going to 12 or more teams. The two biggest draws in the Big 12 are Texas and Oklahoma. With 12 schools and a 9 game schedule, schools would not have either Texas or Oklahoma or both (depending on divisions) on their home football schedule every other year. I think the football round robin is the greatest strength of the Big 12.

As for the AAC TV contract, it really can't get much worse from a monetary standpoint, so I don't think losing two AAC schools to the Big 12 would be a calamity.
 
Just business.

The Big Ten has two divisions and, for better or worse, the two 'champions' play each other in the title game.

What the ACC wants to do is game the process by stepping over a lesser division winner and choosing whoever they feel are the top two teams. They don't want to see a team like Duke '14 in their title game because it could cost them a playoff sport if there's an upset or, more likely, it damages the resume of the eventual ACC champion.

There's no reason for the Big Ten to give a competitor for the four playoff spots an advantage.
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Conspiracy Kitty says:
That is one possible explanation, I suppose, however, consider this alternative. If the ACC had carte blanche in setting up its conference championship game then it could set a 15 team three pod system. Who would be most likely candidate to fill that slot? Why the University of Connecticut. Delany is not going allow the ACC to steal "the jewel of the east" before he can bring them on board. He has staked out NYC as Big Ten territory. He's not giving Swofford the key to the city. It's just business alright. UConn Business.

Just another link in the chain boys. B1G news is on the horizon.
 
CL82 said:
Conspiracy Kitty says: That is one possible explanation, I suppose, however, consider this alternative. If the ACC had carte blanche in setting up its conference championship game then it could set a 15 team three pod system. Who would be most likely candidate to fill that slot? Why the University of Connecticut. Delany is not going allow the ACC to steal "the jewel of the east" before he can bring them on board. He has staked out NYC as Big Ten territory. He's not giving Swofford the key to the city. It's just business alright. UConn Business. Just another link in the chain boys. B1G news is on the horizon.


It is sad that I actually thought of that yesterday. I was too ashamed to say it.
 
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"I agree a conference should not have to expand in order to have a championship game," Delany told ESPN.com. "That wouldn't be right. That's tail wagging dog. On the other hand, I want to have some familiarity -- some knowledge as to how these things are going to play out. I don't want unintended consequences. I don't want to wake up one morning and see some odd structure that's unfamiliar.

"We don't think he should have to expand to have the same option we have," Delany said, "but we feel he should have a structure similar to ours."

Go to two divisions of five each and have the winners play a championship game = Big Ten approval.

I think Delaney is really putting a stick in the ACC's spokes, rather than the Big 12.
if every team plays each other what is the point of two divisions?

Imagine Texas and TCU are in different divisions. Texas beats TCU in the regular season, 21-20. But TCU, regroups and wins their division while Texas wins theirs. TCU then beats Texas in a blowout game 45-10 as Texas had a 2nd string QB in.

This format assures the CCG is a rematch which will either confirm a previous result, or completely negate it. That to me is the very definition of the tail wagging the dog.
 
There is a big downside for the Big 12 going to 12 or more teams. The two biggest draws in the Big 12 are Texas and Oklahoma. With 12 schools and a 9 game schedule, schools would not have either Texas or Oklahoma or both (depending on divisions) on their home football schedule every other year. I think the football round robin is the greatest strength of the Big 12.

As for the AAC TV contract, it really can't get much worse from a monetary standpoint, so I don't think losing two AAC schools to the Big 12 would be a calamity.
you don't think it could get worse??? do you really want to mess with Karma.
I guarantee you that a contract without Houston and Cincy in the mix will be equal to or less than the current payout.
 
Michigan State lost to a non-bowl team Nebraska while Ohio State and Iowa lost to a top 4 team. Just sayin'.
 
you don't think it could get worse??? do you really want to mess with Karma.
I guarantee you that a contract without Houston and Cincy in the mix will be equal to or less than the current payout.
I don't know. I think espn got the AAC for 50 cents on the dollar, if not less. As Bud says, "...Analysts don't like it. I do. The breakup value is twice the market price. The deal finances itself. Sell off two divisions, keep..."
 
The AAC with Boise St., BYU, and whoever else with no Cinci, Memphis, and/or Houston is, as Gordon would say, "...a dog with different fleas."
 
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