Non-Key Tweets

[Point6]

The Colonial (a very good top to bottom league with high performers Delaware, Hofstra and Towson, and local rivalry potential with UMass and Fairfield) and Big East (high performers Georgetown and Denver, and of course the history UConn has with the league) are probably both better options for a UConn lax startup than associate membership with the B1G.

 

[businesslawyer]

Would I take a six year Big Ten membership that renews unless P-5 schools come in to replace us? Absolutely. Because if that happens the conferences will be reshuffled anyway.

 

[TruDomGopher]

Okay, glad we got it figured out. Have Warde give Jim a call.

 

[Ldandy]

Yeah, but here's where I'm afraid this all ends up:

Hypothetically, what if the B1G approaches and says, "Look, we have Rice ready to sign a six year contract to play football in the B1G. We want UConn to bring in all sports for six years and we'll pay you well--but understand you won't be members. We just want to monetize the spots we're holding for UVA/UNC or OK/Texas. It's strictly a pay-for-play contract."

What then?

There is a 0.0% chance that Rice would be brought in for football only. Rice does not move the needle what so ever in Texas, and would in no way allow the conference to monetize the state. If the B1G really wanted a Texas School, they should have approached A&M when The Big 12 was falling apart. The only way Rice gets in is if UT required it for their joining as full members as well. Not holding my breath on either happening for obvious reasons.

 

[TerryD]

Have you been drinking with those Old Big East boys again?

No, I seem to have read that on Big Ten, Big 12 and old Big East boards over the past decade or so.

 

[TruDomGopher]

There is a 0.0% chance that Rice would be brought in for football only. Rice does not move the needle what so ever in Texas, and would in no way allow the conference to monetize the state. If the B1G really wanted a Texas School, they should have approached A&M when The Big 12 was falling apart. The only way Rice gets in is if UT required it for their joining as full members as well. Not holding my breath on either happening for obvious reasons.

You did get the part that I live in Washington state, right? Grass is legal here.

 

[Ldandy]

You did get the part that I live in Washington state, right? Grass is legal here.

No offense but you've got to be smoking something stronger than pot to even entertain the notion of Rice as a football only member.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

No offense but you've got to be smoking something stronger than pot to even entertain the notion of Rice as a football only member.

From my observations, Rice looks at football at itself in a view that is very simile to the Ivy League. As a private school with only 4,000 undergraduates and a US News Ranking of #19 (2014), their focus is on academics (and good baseball). At least they are realistic. They are not full-fledged B1G materiel nor as an associate for football.

 

[UConn9604]

There is a 0.0% chance that Rice would be brought in for football only.

If this thread is to be taken seriously, each of us should recognize this.

 

[uchusky32]

If this thread is to be taken seriously, each of us should recognize this.

For tho thread to be taken seriously it would be name "Key-Tweets".

 

[pj]

From my observations, Rice looks at football at itself in a view that is very simile to the Ivy League. As a private school with only 4,000 undergraduates and a US News Ranking of #19 (2014), their focus is on academics (and good baseball). At least they are realistic. They are not full-fledged B1G materiel nor as an associate for football.

That's about the size of MIT which has even better academics. If the B1G is really looking east, maybe they should ask MIT to become a football-only member.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

That's about the size of MIT which has even better academics. If the B1G is really looking east, maybe they should ask MIT to become a football-only member.

I would invite MIT to B1G football just to watch the pranks they would come-up with during B1G football games. Their Harvard/Yale pranks are legendary.

 

[thatguyed]

If this thread is to be taken seriously, each of us should recognize this.

Is Rice even in Division 1?

 

[dayooper]

Is Rice even in Division 1?

Yes, they are in Conference USA. They were part of the old Southwest Conference. Probably the biggest loser in that break-up.

 

[thatguyed]

Yes, they are in Conference USA. They were part of the old Southwest Conference. Probably the biggest loser in that break-up.

Apologies, my sarcasm meter was not duly identified.

 

[Beatrix]

Vanderbilt has kind of a long history. Rice is like Emory. Great schools but snobs hold up their noses at new money. Having been on Rice's campus, and noting that Rice only became a full residential university somewhere around 1956-1965, it doesn't have that snobby appeal. The campus is amazing in its design, and its attempt to look like Harvard, but all the brickwork in the end is sterile. Kind of reminds me of all the brownstones in Boston's South End. Just because the rest of the city has history, it doesn't mean you can reproduce it with brick.

Take Vandy and Duke to keep Northwestern company in B1G. (Oh, UVa, UNC and Kansas, too). Add UConn (making a +6 / two 10 team divisions) and it all would be very, very interesting...

 

[06029]

Take Vandy and Duke to keep Northwestern company in B1G. (Oh, UVa, UNC and Kansas, too). Add UConn (making a +6 / two 10 team divisions) and it all would be very, very interesting...

Otherwise know as two conferences. Who the heck would want a 20 team conference? If you get to the point with two divisions of 10 teams, you effectively have two conferences or the world of college athletics circa 2000. The law of diminishing returns comes nto play at a certain point and the ACC with 15 in BB is pretty damn close. The NBE at 16 was there. Look at the bottom feeders/suckers in the uber sized leagues and look at how much they add. Their ROI is negative and they negatively impact earnings for the better teams. Not sure any TV contract would pay for 20 teams when 30% of the teams suck. Based on your proposal, Vandy, Rutgers, NW, Indiana, Purdue and ILL (and right now UCONN) would fulfill the sucks definition in football. 30% of a 20 team conference not to mention the scenario if they end up unequally weighted in the same division.

But I will take a breath and let you explain the very, very interesting comment.

 

[pj]

Otherwise know as two conferences. Who the heck would want a 20 team conference? If you get to the point with two divisions of 10 teams, you effectively have two conferences or the world of college athletics circa 2000. The law of diminishing returns comes nto play at a certain point and the ACC with 15 in BB is pretty damn close. The NBE at 16 was there. Look at the bottom feeders/suckers in the uber sized leagues and look at how much they add. Their ROI is negative and they negatively impact earnings for the better teams. Not sure any TV contract would pay for 20 teams when 30% of the teams suck. Based on your proposal, Vandy, Rutgers, NW, Indiana, Purdue and ILL (and right now UCONN) would fulfill the sucks definition in football. 30% of a 20 team conference not to mention the scenario if they end up unequally weighted in the same division.

But I will take a breath and let you explain the very, very interesting comment.

The B1G would have 1/3 of the P5 and 30% of the value of college athletics. Moreover they'd have over 40% of the US cable market thanks in part to schools like Illinois, Indiana, and Rutgers which bring large markets.

If the price of capturing the lion's share of the college athletics market is that you have two 10 team leagues with a championship game, that's a small price to pay. Especially if there are academic synergies from this conglomeration.

 

[TruDomGopher]

Everyone's looking at this all wrong--wait, never mind. That's kind of the point of the non-key tweets thread.

 

[Kolumbo]

I come to this board to find out about potential conference changing news. There is no news. Not only should there be a separate thread for some of these posts, there should be a separate board altogether. How about "Let's Imagine How The Power 5 Are Analyzing Things While They Are Actually Doing Jack" board.

 

[TruDomGopher]

I take this thread pretty seriously though. Flug commented on a Dude retweet of a NC State's janitor's son's tweet that the agenda for the B1G COP/C meeting includes a "Best of Boneyard" on the table for discussion. Obviously they want us to step up and come up with the ways and reasons to add UConn.

 

[06029]

The B1G would have 1/3 of the P5 and 30% of the value of college athletics. Moreover they'd have over 40% of the US cable market thanks in part to schools like Illinois, Indiana, and Rutgers which bring large markets.

If the price of capturing the lion's share of the college athletics market is that you have two 10 team leagues with a championship game, that's a small price to pay. Especially if there are academic synergies from this conglomeration.

Does 40% of the cable market = 40% of the revenue? I want to see the year 3 ratings for RU-Purdue, or Ill-MD before I believe that those TV sets are brininging in the eyeballs everyone wants. In the hypothetical 20 team league, who will watch Vandy/NW or UVA/Ill? How many years before teams play the marquee teams in the conference? Or do you split traditional marquee games and save that match up for the hoped for championship game?

If the P5 world ultimately becomes 4 20 school conferences (because if 1 goes to 20 then 3 other go there also with 1 ceasing to exist and 15 schools added to the mix), then you get an 8 team playoff and do away with the conference championship in FB with each winner of the 8 divisions being in the playoff pool. And then is it really 4 conferences or is it 8 leagues and the pecking order of the 8 will once again be defined by perception. And the value of the divisions becomes fodder for debate and ultimately dissolution into 8 conferences with regional identities because at the end of the day, the viewing world cares about Bama/Auburn, USC/UCLA, OSU/Michugan, etc.

 

[TruDomGopher]

Does 40% of the cable market = 40% of the revenue? I want to see the year 3 ratings for RU-Purdue, or Ill-MD before I believe that those TV sets are brininging in the eyeballs everyone wants. In the hypothetical 20 team league, who will they watch Vandy/NW or UVA/Ill? How many years before teams play the marquee teams in the conference? Or do you split traditional marquu games and save that match up for the hoped for championship game.

This is interesting--you've essentially summarized ESPN's position with the B1G during the negotiations the led to the formation of the B1G Network. And, essentially, the ratings are in--hence the success of the B1G Network.

 

[CL82]

I come to this board to find out about potential conference changing news. There is no news. Not only should there be a separate thread for some of these posts, there should be a separate board altogether. How about "Let's Imagine How The Power 5 Are Analyzing Things While They Are Actually Doing Jack" board.

Mmm, either don't click on it or chill and enjoy this thread for what it is. Either one works.

 

[Kolumbo]

Mmm, either don't click on it or chill and enjoy this thread for what it is. Either one works.

Gotcha. Now if you can point me in the direction of that which I seek, that would be great. Anything remotely representing an iota of hope for UCONN getting out of the gulag would be fine.