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[billybud]

Maryland never voted for the Exit Fee increase and put forth that the ACC did not follow their own internal procedures as outlined in the Bylaws. A fairly strong position to take going into a contract breach fight....and they still paid a record fee.

All current ACC programs voluntarily signed an individual contract and part of that contract is a statement that they are signing the GOR to add value to the conference. ESPN, the media partner, advises on the value of current members and potential members to a media contract. If the value of the conference is determined to be less after a breach..loss of market, loss of desirable match ups, etc., there will be dozens of lawyers dancing on the heads of pins.

No one has tested the valuation of damages under a GOR. If that ever happens, it will inspire 1000's of internet hits, 100's of rumors. Until that time...we just do not know how it will fall out.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 8h 8 hours ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/02/06/big-12-not-considering-expansion-title-game-after-college-football-playoff-snubs/… “We’re distributing about 25 million per school, which is going to ramp up over the next 13 years to 40 mil" Bowlsby

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 8h 8 hours ago
So in 2028 The Big 12 will be distributing 40 Million per school...correct? And this is the positive news on staying at 10 schools?

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 8h 8 hours ago
The Big 12 with its current roster of schools is not built for long term. Not expanding has to with certain schools looking for the exits..

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
So let ask this question: Who will get more $ from their tier 1 tv contracts.. Indiana in 2018 vs West Virginia in 2028?

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 3h 3 hours ago
Who will make more $ in all their tier 2&3 agreements... 2018 Indiana or 2028 West Virginia?

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 2h 2 hours ago
Conference health is not about the top $ schools of the P5...buts it's about the middle and bottom of each conference

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 2h 2 hours ago
Big 12 has a passionate fan bases with great quality of football but it's shrinking themselves off the stage. Many Big 12 supporters....

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 2h 2 hours ago
...believe expansion should happen right before new tv contract negotiations happen to max out tv value of next contract..but..

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 2h 2 hours ago
...if Big 12 waits too long they will not have enough time to help build up the perceived value of their 11th and 12th additions

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 2h 2 hours ago
Does Bowlsby actually believe the Big 12 can add a UCF and Cincture in year 2024 and the poof...big tv tier 1 contract happens in next year?

Doug ‏@NebGradDubDub 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire bottom line is the B12 has to take a pay cut in the short term by adding teams for long term gain.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 19m19 minutes ago
@NebGradDubDub And that is exactly what they should do....but it must be Texas and Oklahoma wanting an easier exit years down the road.

Daniel Mountcastle ‏@expansion_crush 2h2 hours ago
@flugempire They can't add $$ by adding a school outside the current P5.

Daniel Freer ‏@DWFreer 1h1 hour ago
@expansion_crush @flugempire Actually...there are G5 schools that bring in more FB TV ratings than current B XII members.

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire 19m19 minutes ago
@DWFreer @expansion_crush Its not about adding $$$ in the short term. Its about adding value in the long term by extending needed footprint

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 11m 11 minutes ago
Big Ten schools took less BTN $ last year b/c UMD & RUT additions.. will do so again next year. Taking less $ short term for long term gain

Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 10m 10 minutes ago
If OU & UT were truly committed to the Big 12 long term they would lead the conference into expanding into larger committed CF markets.

 

[Seaa Blue]

If the value of the conference is determined to be less after a breach..loss of market, loss of desirable match ups, etc., there will be dozens of lawyers dancing on the heads of pins.

So far no one has ever been paid less because of a loss. I think that's about the only way to determine loss of value.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

2...And damages are not really as simple as you describe....Maryland was replaced by Louisville...but there are many variables to damages...even if the ACC makes as much with Louisville.

Tell me how anyone can possibly quantify anything (in terms of damages) beyond a change in television revenues in the scenario we are discussing.

 

[tzznandrew]

Tell me how anyone can possibly quantify anything (in terms of damages) beyond a change in television revenues in the scenario we are discussing.

There isn't. That's why I'm not convinced a GOR is all that meaningful. I'm not sure they'll be challenged, but I don't think they would hold up if they were.

 

[jostar1]

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
Next Wednesday I will have an expansion update concerning the future of the Big 12. It’s not conjecture. It’s what was agreed to in Dallas.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
So why Wednesday? I have to write it. I have to find time to process what I learned today. And I want to verify what I’ve learned.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
I’ll say this. What you think you know about Texas & Oklahoma & their commitment to the Big 12 is wrong. Details Wednesday morning.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
It was ESPN who insisted the Big 12 add WVU.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
It was ESPN who demanded WVU when OU pushed for UL at the last moment because of McConnell’s relationship with OU’s prez.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
My point is TV partners can dictate expansion moves. Remember what BC’s AD said?

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11h11 hours ago
I’ll say this. What you think you know about Texas & Oklahoma & their commitment to the Big 12 is wrong. Details Wednesday morning.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11h11 hours ago
@BaylorFight It is true. The Big 12 is in a position to clean up.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11h11 hours ago
@BaylorFight I thought the opposite too.

david_gibson ‏@BaylorFight · 11h11 hours ago
@theDudeofWV I'm skeptical, man. Big12 has major PR problem with ESPN. Those guys are running the show.

Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV · 11h11 hours ago
@BaylorFight Fox is running the show now.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
One more note. Cincy did meet with the B12 in NY right after the playoff teams were announced.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
The meeting was an informal one at the request of Ono. Ono was told the Big 12 has no plans to expand in the near future.

Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 11h 11 hours ago
The Big 12 denied that meeting to protect Cincy.

 

[Husky92]

Can't wait 'till Wednesday!

 

[Dooley]

Not Christopher Lambert @theDooleyofWV · 1 hours ago
The B12 is not expanding. Ever. In fact, my sources tell me that the conference will contract by 2 teams so that members will get even more money before the conference eventually folds in a few years.

Not Christopher Lambert @theDooleyofWV · 1 hours ago
WVU has a standing offer to join the SEC whenever it wants. My sources tell me that a move is imminent.

Not Christopher Lambert @theDooleyofWV · 1 hours ago
My sources tell me that Dana Holgorsen's bust will be added as the 5th member of Mount Rushmore.

 

[CL82]

Not Christopher Lambert @theDooleyofWV · 1 hours ago
My sources tell me that Dana Holgorsen's bust will be added as the 5th member of Mount Rushmore.

Not Christopher Lambert @theDooleyofWV · 1 hours ago
Can't say more now as I need to verify whether he'll be added to right the Washington or left of Lincoln.

 

[Ldandy]

I have never seen anyone over value their school more than The Dood. ESPN demanded that WVU was in! Look at our merchandise sales!(like this has any relevance in conference realignment) WVU is a pi** poor state with an overall population the size of some metro areas.

The only truth about WVU is that when The Big 12 was desperate to stop the bleeding and protect their tenuous TV contract, WVU made it abundantly clear that there would be no obstacle that they would not overcome to get out of The Big East. They were proactive when others were not, and as a result they reaped the reward of being in a P5 Conference. For now...

 

[businesslawyer]

I have never seen anyone over value their school more than The Dood. ESPN demanded that WVU was in! Look at our merchandise sales!(like this has any relevance in conference realignment) WVU is a pi** poor state with an overall population the size of some metro areas.

The only truth about WVU is that when The Big 12 was desperate to stop the bleeding and protect their tenuous TV contract, WVU made it abundantly clear that there would be no obstacle that they would not overcome to get out of The Big East. They were proactive when others were not, and as a result they reaped the reward of being in a P5 Conference. For now...

Spot on. It had nothing to do with the fact that they had beaten UGA and Oklahoma in BCS bowls in the last few years, and had become the clear #1 team in the Big East for football based on attendance, enthusiasm and performance. Just that they were the most proactive to get out.

Amazing.

 

[pj]

I have never seen anyone over value their school more than The Dood. ESPN demanded that WVU was in! Look at our merchandise sales!(like this has any relevance in conference realignment) WVU is a pi** poor state with an overall population the size of some metro areas.

The only truth about WVU is that when The Big 12 was desperate to stop the bleeding and protect their tenuous TV contract, WVU made it abundantly clear that there would be no obstacle that they would not overcome to get out of The Big East. They were proactive when others were not, and as a result they reaped the reward of being in a P5 Conference. For now...

Louisville was every bit as eager to get into a P5 conference as WVU, so that was not why WVU got in.

And if ESPN asked the B12 to take WVU, not Louisville, you have to ask: was this because they had the B12's best interests at heart? Or because they wanted to save the more valuable property for the ACC, which they own lock stock and barrel? Or because they wanted the B12 to be geographically dispersed and fragile, so that they can do to it later what they did to the Big East - destroy a property likely to auction itself to a competitor?

 

[Ldandy]

Spot on. It had nothing to do with the fact that they had beaten UGA and Oklahoma in BCS bowls in the last few years, and had become the clear #1 team in the Big East for football based on attendance, enthusiasm and performance. Just that they were the most proactive to get out.

Amazing.

You can believe what you want, but when the time to move came WVU made it crystal clear they would not be held to the Big East by any prior financial agreement. TCU did the same. Louisville choked in the face of The Big East buy out and as a result was beaten to the punch by both of the above.

The Big 12's mistake was that they did not expand to 12 with WVU, Ville, Pitt, and Cincy when the opportunity arose. They could have at least planted a flag in an area other than the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa. Now they will fumble around for another decade and either be pulled apart 1 at a time, or add UCF and Cincy then. Worth it? Who knows?

 

[noeynox]

Spot on. It had nothing to do with the fact that they had beaten UGA and Oklahoma in BCS bowls in the last few years, and had become the clear #1 team in the Big East for football based on attendance, enthusiasm and performance. Just that they were the most proactive to get out.

Amazing.

Do you think it hurt them that they made it abundantly clear, that they would start play the following fall come hell or high water? I think you're underestimating where that placed them in the jockeying for position to get in. The Big 12 was desperate to add a team.

 

[pj]

Do you think it hurt them that they made it abundantly clear, that they would start play the following fall come hell or high water? I think you're underestimating where that placed them in the jockeying for position to get in. The Big 12 was desperate to add a team.

The B12 could have gone to any Big East team, asked them to match WVU's offer, and they would have done so.

 

[noeynox]

The B12 could have gone to any Big East team, asked them to match WVU's offer, and they would have done so.

Eh, I don't know. Louisville supposedly showed pause at the 20 million dollar exit fee WVU agreed to pay. That was Louisville. Keep in mind there were only three BE schools left behind. UCONN Cincinnati and USF. Four with loisville.

Remember that Sue Herbst was quoted publicly questioning whether sending student athletes out to Iowa was the best thing for student athletes. I think people misremember the sequence of events as they went down. Wvu went all in securing their bid to big 12.

 

[Ldandy]

Do you think it hurt them that they made it abundantly clear, that they would start play the following fall come hell or high water? I think you're underestimating where that placed them in the jockeying for position to get in. The Big 12 was desperate to add a team.

Exactly. If you think back, you'll remember just how quickly this happened. WVU had been courting invites to both The ACC and SEC for years to no avail. WVU's greatest bargaining chip was their willingness to move when The Big 12 needed them to. Louisville's indecisiveness cost them in that go around. They did not make that mistake again when The ACC was shopping.

 

[Husky25]

Eh, I don't know. Louisville supposedly showed pause at the 20 million dollar exit fee WVU agreed to pay. That was Louisville. Keep in mind there were only three BE schools left behind. UCONN Cincinnati and USF. Four with loisville.

Remember that Sue Herbst was quoted publicly questioning whether sending student athletes out to Iowa was the best thing for student athletes. I think people misremember the sequence of events as they went down. Wvu went all in securing their bid to big 12.

All things at this point to UConn targeting the Big Ten. The delta in distance west only matters if traveling by bus. UConn is forced to fly to their AAC away games as it is...

...or is targeting the Big Ten purely reactionary (absolutely a possibility)?

 

[Dooley]

All things at this point to UConn targeting the Big Ten. The delta in distance west only matters if traveling by bus. UConn is forced to fly to their AAC away games as it is...

...or is targeting the Big Ten purely reactionary (absolutely a possibility)?

Well, Iowa is in the Big Ten so if she was hesitant to send her student athletes to Ames (Iowa State), then she is probably equally as hesitant to send them to Iowa City. But if I had to guess, her anti-Iowan stance has softened considerably given UCONN's position as the #1 mid-major brand with no qualified P5 partners.

 

[Husky25]

Well, Iowa is in the Big Ten so if she was hesitant to send her student athletes to Ames (Iowa State), then she is probably equally as hesitant to send them to Iowa City. But if I had to guess, her anti-Iowan stance has softened considerably given UCONN's position as the #1 mid-major brand with no qualified P5 partners.

As I said, I think targeting the Big Ten is reactionary given the handful of ACC spurns. The change in landscape has lead Herbst to rethink her position and strategy to achieve new goals. The statute of limitations has expired on any statement made prior to the Louisville invite.

 

[Dooley]

As I said, I think targeting the Big Ten is reactionary given the handful of ACC spurns. The change in landscape has lead Herbst to rethink her position and strategy to achieve new goals. The statute of limitations has expired on any statement made prior to the Louisville invite.

Agreed. Ironic, but I actually think UCONN fits in better with the Big Ten than ACC. Northern, public, flagship, emphasis on research (fairly new with this one).

 

[pj]

Well, Iowa is in the Big Ten so if she was hesitant to send her student athletes to Ames (Iowa State), then she is probably equally as hesitant to send them to Iowa City. But if I had to guess, her anti-Iowan stance has softened considerably given UCONN's position as the #1 mid-major brand with no qualified P5 partners.

Those were ill-chosen words, she was obviously expecting to join the ACC when she said that. Nothing wrong with traveling to Iowa, in fact UConn football had scheduled them out of conference.

 

[noeynox]

Those were ill-chosen words, she was obviously expecting to join the ACC when she said that. Nothing wrong with traveling to Iowa, in fact UConn football had scheduled them out of conference.

They were ill chosen words, but kind of refute the assertion that "any Big East school""would have taken the deal the WVU did at the time no? Part of that was cause the Big East was still BCS, and there was no P5, but give WVU/Luck credit, they read the tea leaves better than anyone else.

 

[CL82]

You can believe what you want, but when the time to move came WVU made it crystal clear they would not be held to the Big East by any prior financial agreement. TCU did the same. Louisville choked in the face of The Big East buy out and as a result was beaten to the punch by both of the above.

The Big 12's mistake was that they did not expand to 12 with WVU, Ville, Pitt, and Cincy when the opportunity arose. They could have at least planted a flag in an area other than the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa. Now they will fumble around for another decade and either be pulled apart 1 at a time, or add UCF and Cincy then. Worth it? Who knows?

Of course the OBE made the mistake of not picking up Kansas, K State, and even Iowa St. when it looked cetain the Big 12 was about to fold.

 

[Fishy]

Of course the OBE made the mistake of not picking up Kansas, K State, and even Iowa St. when it looked cetain the Big 12 was about to fold.

It didn't fold - there was nothing to pick up.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Maryland never voted for the Exit Fee increase and put forth that the ACC did not follow their own internal procedures as outlined in the Bylaws. A fairly strong position to take going into a contract breach fight....and they still paid a record fee.

All current ACC programs voluntarily signed an individual contract and part of that contract is a statement that they are signing the GOR to add value to the conference. ESPN, the media partner, advises on the value of current members and potential members to a media contract. If the value of the conference is determined to be less after a breach..loss of market, loss of desirable match ups, etc., there will be dozens of lawyers dancing on the heads of pins.

No one has tested the valuation of damages under a GOR. If that ever happens, it will inspire 1000's of internet hits, 100's of rumors. Until that time...we just do not know how it will fall out.

Wasn't the 31mm , already in the ACC hands, so in essence Maryland forfeited compensation owed them. That might seem like a technicality but it put Maryland at a disadvantage.
I think they realized trying to get that money wasn't worth the fight.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Of course the OBE made the mistake of not picking up Kansas, K State, and even Iowa St. when it looked cetain the Big 12 was about to fold.

It never folded, in fact, Marinatto had a plan in place to scoop up KU, KSU, ISU, and Baylor if the others bolted. Would've made for a pretty good football league as TCU would've been in on top of that. Perhaps the Big East still exists today if the OU/Texas et al left. To this day, I can't fathom why everyone was so happy it stayed together.

 

[CL82]

It didn't fold - there was nothing to pick up.

Agreed, just pointing out that the "what if/should have" game cuts both ways. Yeah, the Big 12 could have made decisions that would have saved it, but so could have the OBE.

It never folded, in fact, Marinatto had a plan in place to scoop up KU, KSU, ISU, and Baylor if the others bolted. Would've made for a pretty good football league as TCU would've been in on top of that. Perhaps the Big East still exists today if the OU/Texas et al left. To this day, I can't fathom why everyone was so happy it stayed together.

Yep.

 

[FrostyNuggets]

Things just happened to have a way of not working out for Marinatto.

 

[billybud]

By now..we have the Dude down...

...breaking news Wednesday

....Well, not really breaking news but a direction that his source thinks the Big 12 will be going ..post conference meeting

....Things are fluid, no agreement in Big 12 re expansion

...."I was misled by my source"