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NBC historically does not overpay. I'll believe they are in on the Big Ten contract when it is signed.
 
Glastonhusky said:
Wasn't there a clause in the ND/ACC agreement that stated if ND were to join a conference for football in the next x number of years that it had to be the ACC? I guess any agreement can be broken, but I remember hearing something along these lines.
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Yes, that contract mandates the ACC for football if ND joined any conference for same and runs to 2027.

Then, there is the ACC GOR...

Then, there is the ACC exit fee...

Then, there is the fact that ND wants to keep its football independent.

This seems just a lot of "The Big Ten will take over the world" talk from Big Ten fans, despite the hockey move.

Over on the NC State board last year or so, there was s lot of "NBC is a major player in the ACC Network and it will bring ND football into the ACC" talk, too.

The Wolfpack guy was supposed to be a big insider with lots of contacts and info, don't you know?

Whatever happened to all that Intenet talk......????
 
TerryD said:
Yes, that contract mandates the ACC for football if ND joined any conference for same and runs to 2027.

Then, there is the ACC GOR...
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oops... It was former Michigan AD Hackett's comments I was thinking of, not Delany.
Hackett anticipates ‘cool surprises’ for UM schedule

Then, on the GoR thing...

If NBC gets Big Ten content by either buying a chunk of it, or via the game bid process Hackett spoke of, that makes it a lot easier for Notre Dame and Michigan to get back together. Deals can then be made in the nearer future without competing rights holders blocking the way.

So, then, carry that forward to the Big Ten. Interesting thoughts there. If the lack of an ACC Network really is all it's being made up to me, ND just might be looking for a conference with a network...

If the Big Ten really is going to add 4 or 6, what the heck, add ND too and let them do their own football dance. With so much dust in the air, Delany might just be able to add an ND sans football without a revolt. And in the future 75% of ND's desired schedule could be where?... That's right, in the Big Ten.

If NBC is happy, does it really matter if the ACC is happy?

If Notre Dame withdraws its Olympic Sports from the ACC, does the agreement to place football there really matter?

Does an ACC exit fee really matter to Notre Dame. I think not.

Oh this is fun...
 
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Third graders can do math that can show it's impossible to add more than 2 teams to the Big 10.
 
pj said:
What math is that? 14+3=infinity?
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If you've got a league where the teams are getting say $35 million from their television contacts - teams 15 and 16 need to bring a marginal $100 million just to keep everyone whole.

And why would you share your BTN ownership with schools that don't make you richer?
 
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whaler11 said:
Third graders can do math that can show it's impossible to add more than 2 teams to the Big 10.
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Obviously, since then it would be more than 10 teams....hey, wait a minute...
 
News and Notes from Around the Big 12

Expansion will be discussed this summer and the current scorecard shows a vastly divided conference in regards to how it should be handled. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia want expansion and a conference network. Iowa State wants expansion with G5 candidates and an eight game conference schedule to reduce the strain of the round robin schedule, but has no interest in giving up Cyclone.tv. Kansas isn’t sold on a conference network, but wants to expand. However, it is really only interested in basketball schools who wear blue and win lots of titles. Kansas State is open to listening to all ideas. The Longhorns are not happy about being played as the LHN villain again so quickly after settling the issue and that is starting to create a wedge between the new administration and Oklahoma. Texas is not against expansion, but it wants to position the Big 12 to be ready for high end targets in five years, when GoR’s are cheaper to buyout. As one person stated, “They’d consider giving up LHN for someone like FSU or LSU, but not for someone like BYU or Memphis”. The other three Texas schools are bound pretty tightly to the Longhorns, but have little or no interest in expansion, which would reduce the amount of games they play locally as it has been made clear by the rest of the conference that recreating a Southern division of Texas schools is a deal breaker if the Big 12 goes back to twelve or more. At this point, no one is set to get everything they claim to want, so the question becomes where the common ground and compromises can be found. It should be an interesting few months
 
They're doomed.

Only way to be effective at the expansion game is to be stealthy about it. This won't get it done:
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CoastAtlantic said:
News and Notes from Around the Big 12

Expansion will be discussed this summer and the current scorecard shows a vastly divided conference in regards to how it should be handled. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia want expansion and a conference network. Iowa State wants expansion with G5 candidates and an eight game conference schedule to reduce the strain of the round robin schedule, but has no interest in giving up Cyclone.tv. Kansas isn’t sold on a conference network, but wants to expand. However, it is really only interested in basketball schools who wear blue and win lots of titles. Kansas State is open to listening to all ideas. The Longhorns are not happy about being played as the LHN villain again so quickly after settling the issue and that is starting to create a wedge between the new administration and Oklahoma. Texas is not against expansion, but it wants to position the Big 12 to be ready for high end targets in five years, when GoR’s are cheaper to buyout. As one person stated, “They’d consider giving up LHN for someone like FSU or LSU, but not for someone like BYU or Memphis”. The other three Texas schools are bound pretty tightly to the Longhorns, but have little or no interest in expansion, which would reduce the amount of games they play locally as it has been made clear by the rest of the conference that recreating a Southern division of Texas schools is a deal breaker if the Big 12 goes back to twelve or more. At this point, no one is set to get everything they claim to want, so the question becomes where the common ground and compromises can be found. It should be an interesting few months
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In my unprofessional opinion, this makes sense. It feels right. I think they expand this summer and UConn is in.

The idea that NBC is going to go all in on the B1G, that doesn't feel right. I'm not buying it. I do think that Buffalo Lion is right that UConn's particular value to the B1G is high, because we may have the best BTN content of anyone, including every school already in the B1G. But I don't buy the ACC implosion at this juncture. There are too many roadblocks.
 
HuskyHawk said:
In my unprofessional opinion, this makes sense. It feels right. I think they expand this summer and UConn is in.
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To clarify when you say "they" expand this summer, you're referring to the Big 12 or B1G?
 
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I'm not sure The Big 12 is capable of agreeing on anything. Way too many differing opinions about how things should be done, with one school who feels like their opinion is more valuable than the other 9 combined. They lack strong centralized leadership like The B1G has with Delany. Someone who can get everyone on the same page and able to see the bigger picture.

I will be shocked if they actually do anything more than adding a nonsensical championship game to their 10 team conference. JMO but the best move they could make short of FSU and Clemson magically asking to join is to add UCONN and Cincy as all sports members, and Boise St and BYU as Football only members for extra juice. Split the teams and play one protected cross over.

Bevo Division
UT, TT, BU, WVU, KSU, BYU, ISU

Boomer Division
OU, OSU, TCU, Cincy, KU, BSU, UCONN
 
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Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
If MH ver3's referencing "towing the company line" and not toeing the company line, is he trawling, trolling, both, other TBD?
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Maybe Gee moonlights for a towing company.
 
pj said:
Maybe Gee moonlights for a towing company.
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Or maybe it's an expression of wishful thinking (aka, freudian slip) as to just how much influence Gee has.
 
Seaa Blue said:
Or maybe it's an expression of wishful thinking (aka, freudian slip) as to just how much influence Gee has.
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Alas, that falls under "other TBD". I'm going with he doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
 
There seems to be a bit of speculation in the non-key tweet thread about what Texas will do. The regime at Texas (the chancellor, prez & AD) keep their cards to their vest and are much more phlegmatic than their big talking predecessors. I follow the program closely and i believe some of the speculation is off target. Some day when i have ten good minutes and a cooperative device maybe I'll attempt to state what i think and cite the sources as to why i think it. Would that be of any interest to anybody? Would this be the appropriate thread for it?
 
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Seaa Blue said:
Right thread, but you'll need make your post before your internet time elapses. 10 minutes works for me.
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Oh nooo. Already late (and I was thinking of making time to post tomorrow).

So quick and dirty (and sadly, without quotes or a bibliography), I have a number of reasons to believe that Texas does NOT want to leave the Big 12 and that with or without OU, I think Texas plans to stick with the Big 12 as long as it's a salvageable P5 conference.
 
I wonder what they think about Boren making waves (and if they're doing anything to help with that).
 
Charley Horse said:
Oh nooo. Already late (and I was thinking of making time to post tomorrow).

So quick and dirty (and sadly, without quotes or a bibliography), I have a number of reasons to believe that Texas does NOT want to leave the Big 12 and that with or without OU, I think Texas plans to stick with the Big 12 as long as it's a salvageable P5 conference.
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Thanks for the info. That's what I think as well. All of the Texas going anywhere talk is just talk.
 
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