You’re doing this again. PLEASE stop acting like LeBron isn’t always knocked for having some very good teammates. It’s not only Jordan.
Yes I view Ewing, Isiah, Dumars, Rodman Miller, Mullin, Bird, McHale, Parish, Hardaway, Mourning as special. They're all Hall of Famers. I view Mark Price as special, he was as good as any point guard in the league in the early 90's and I think he should be a Hall of Famer despite injuries ending his career by the time he was 30-31. Daugherty and Nance were all-stars those years as well.
We are going to have to disagree on the last item.
How is this thread about Jordan and LeBron?
It always devolves to that. Jordan fans often can’t say 1 bad thing about him. I’m a LeBron fan and can recognize the faults he’s had, Mavs series, poor finals record, etc. But Jordan never had any hiccups apparently.
He played with some amazing players after he left Cleveland the first time. Unless you're talking Anderson Varejao and Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Yes, he left Cleveland because he didn't think he could ever win it all there and he went and formed a super team in Miami. He never won a championship without a superstar teammate. It's a hard thing to do.
It's what the entire thread is about. Palatine posted the story/video which is referencing Lebron's people at Klutch sports orchestrating a narrative to try and detract from Jordan's legacy.
You’re not following the logic. When MJ left, his team still won 55 games in what was an alleged “stacked” East. What did LeBron’s teams do when he left besides crater?
Yes, that's what I was getting at.
That’s simply how it goes in the NBA now. Cleveland was never gonna win with that construction, and no one wanted to go there to begin with. The Heat was a bonafied super team but he had that ability to attract, and chasing a championship is like, the ultimate goal, no?
Everyone recruits. If you don’t, you and your team likely get left behind. They aren’t mutually exclusive btw, Jordan and LeBron’s early careers are pretty similar.
you’re not paying close attention to arguments if this is how you think people are arguing.
NBA has been getting out of control with the scoring in recent years and it hit a breaking point this season when guys were casually putting up 50 point games, then 60 point games, then Embiid and Luka both went for 70. The NBA regular season was looking like the all-star game with every advantage given to the offensive players and the rules being ignored. Everyone was talking about it like it was a circus so they changed the way the game was officiated in the playoffs. It's still wild how they just let guys casually walk around with the ball without dribbling but at least they let defensive players play in the playoffs.I've posted about how allowing players to take extra steps IMO made the NBA a tough watch. When you only allow the correct number of steps it allows the defender to know where to move to and when to jump to contest the shot. Conversely when the officials let the player take one or even two to three extra steps, the defender has no idea when he should stop his defensive movement and/or when to go up to contest the shot. It creates a ridiculous advantage for the offensive player.
Maybe it's my imagination, but it sure seems like the officials were calling more traveling calls this past season, at least in the playoffs where I noticed quite a few traveling calls were made.
And on a very loosely related note, if you watch the replay of Pritchard's half court shot at the end of the first half of the final game of the playoffs, he took four to five steps without dribbling before releasing the ball. But what ref is going to call traveling in that situation with that outcome. In real time I didn't even notice it but watching the replay it was like oh my gosh! I'm sure everyone, players, coaches, officials, fans were all checking to see if the ball was out of his hand before the light went on. No one was looking at his feet.
You should see what goes on in the WNBA lmao there’s a clip that recently came out where I think Angel Reese clearly double dribbles twice in a fast breakI've posted about how allowing players to take extra steps IMO made the NBA a tough watch. When you only allow the correct number of steps it allows the defender to know where to move to and when to jump to contest the shot. Conversely when the officials let the player take one or even two to three extra steps, the defender has no idea when he should stop his defensive movement and/or when to go up to contest the shot. It creates a ridiculous advantage for the offensive player.
Maybe it's my imagination, but it sure seems like the officials were calling more traveling calls this past season, at least in the playoffs where I noticed quite a few traveling calls were made.
And on a very loosely related note, if you watch the replay of Pritchard's half court shot at the end of the first half of the final game of the playoffs, he took four to five steps without dribbling before releasing the ball. But what ref is going to call traveling in that situation with that outcome. In real time I didn't even notice it but watching the replay it was like oh my gosh! I'm sure everyone, players, coaches, officials, fans were all checking to see if the ball was out of his hand before the light went on. No one was looking at his feet.
