"No Flow to Our Offense" - Geno expands on post-SC comments

[Sam.the.Man]

If I remember correctly Fudd had a foot problem this summer during international play.........quite concerning if it is the same injury......

Even more so if it's not the same injury.

 

[Twolf]

Geno tells the kids their playing time is dependent on practice. So, I don’t think he’s going to extend the rotation beyond what it is now. Regardless of who is injured or not. This is one thing I hate that Geno is doing with this team. The team has players that can go toe to toe with SC. Will it be pretty with the role players? No. But if Azzi still has the foot injury, she needs to rest.

Questions about whether a player is well enough to practice, needs to rest, or is cleared for full contact practices is made by the team’s medical staff, not the coaching staff. Most of the medical professionals I’ve dealt with err on the side of caution, so if there is any risk to the athlete’s long term health they won’t be cleared to play. Since Azzi has been playing you would have to assume she has to have a nagging problem that isn’t a threat to her health, but could affect her mobility.
As for the team having the players that are capable of going toe to toe with S. Carolina, I’m curious as to whose toes on the UConn roster are you matching up with Ms. Bostons? Her post play & the offensive rebounding of their team were big reasons for the outcome. Does UConn have the talent to win the next matchup with them- yes, but there have to be some significant changes made to allow that to happen. BTW, I am confident that UConn has a coach that can recognize what has to be fixed, and to get it done- that’s reflected in his track record.

JMO

 

[CL82]

Personally, I think Geno needs to do more validation of his players. He should only say nice things about them. I mean they are all trying their best aren’t they? We probably won’t win so many games but ‘yarders will be less offended. Perhaps some sort of sticker after every game will help?

There, I feel better already.

 

[TCC Kid]

Just Keep Azzi off until 100%. Use your depth.

In the BE games, Geno will have opportunities to let her heal. In more difficult games Azzi will want to play. There truly is no exact sub for her nor Paige.

 

[TCC Kid]

This is why we need a couple of cupcakes to start the season. Get the new players integrated to the system, get the new players PT to get acclimated to the college game. When you start with pretty good teams two things happen, or I should say don't happen. If you give minutes to the new guys you will lose, or to win they will get limited minutes or don't play at all. Right now, we are 4 games in and are at square one. Not enough PT for the new guys, a loss, and by the way, in all of November we only play 4 games, and 3 of them in 3 days. We have some pretty good teams coming up and we don't have a bench rotation, because if we don't have games how are we going to get any chemistry. We could actually lose more games, so in my opinion we will probably see the same players as last year, with maybe 2 players off the bench. What happened to the 9 or 10 player rotation we have been counting on?

I hate losing games. If a top team like Uconn Women need games with top talented teams, as much as I'll moan over Geno's screwups in doing that, In March and April I'll be saying---HOW BRILLIANT GENO WAS IN DECEMBER.

 

[hoophuskee]

Geno tells the kids their playing time is dependent on practice. So, I don’t think he’s going to extend the rotation beyond what it is now. Regardless of who is injured or not. This is one thing I hate that Geno is doing with this team. The team has players that can go toe to toe with SC. Will it be pretty with the role players? No. But if Azzi still has the foot injury, she needs to rest.

Where did it say when her foot problem began? Was it start of the season? Which game was it that her foot was affected? SO it just happened to be the SC game or maybe SC is the type of team that can take advantage of her foot issue and others can't? What if she could play on it but it's going to bother her all year? Sit her for the entire year then?

 

[Stymie]

Who's winning the arguments?

Guessing the argument is ongoing

 

[Zinethar]

The trainers and medical staff had the ultimate say on whether a player could participate, had any limits, or had to sit. I personally for the most part liked that as it took that pressure off me. I hate to admit we did, at times, have some heated discussions during the championship season

 

[boontonbomber]

How long have you been following UConn WBB? It must not be very long, or you would know that he has been criticizing his players' performance publicly for decades now.

What he has been saying recently pales in comparison to what he said about Charde Houston or even Tina Charles when they played for him, not to mention Kara Wolters, or Megan Walker and her classmates. So far, no one has transferred because of this, and most players become very loyal to him after they graduate. Which is not to say that they all like it, or wouldn't prefer that he didn't do it.

I don't see any reason to believe that "today's players are different", although many posters seem to think that is the all-purpose answer to arguments such as I am making.

This is something about Geno that I really dislike. And I think he does it because he's Geno, and can get away with it. I see no point in publicly criticizing your players ( keep it to one-on-one), and ,as you say, I expect players don't like it, and wish he wouldn't do it. What say you? Do you think there is some point? Or would you say it's no big deal?

 

[Conndog]

If the choice is go with starters primarily against the tougher competition to ensure maximum # of wins, or play bench players more (Azzi, Ducharme, etc) to give them development time but could result in few more losses, I'd rather give development time to the other newcomers. UConn is going to make the tournament regardless, the starters will be more rested, and UConn will have a deeper bench. I mean, what if starters get injured, do you then hope the newcomers can get up to speed in enough time? And, maybe someone like Ducharme could be a better player than even one of the starters if given the chance to develop- how else would we know?

 

[Twolf]

This is something about Geno that I really dislike. And I think he does it because he's Geno, and can get away with it. I see no point in publicly criticizing your players ( keep it to one-on-one), and ,as you say, I expect players don't like it, and wish he wouldn't do it. What say you? Do you think there is some point? Or would you say it's no big deal?

To me if it’s personal then it’s a big deal, if it’s just about basketball not so much. Most players at the D-1 level have been challenged by previous coaches, and knew what they signed up for when deciding to play for the UConn brand. None of us particularly enjoyed it, but if you knew it was aimed at making you a better player you understood what was behind it. If a player stole from a teammate, cheated on an exam, or embarrassed the university then it’s going to personal, as it should be.
Every coach has their own style, & this is Geno’s. As a general rule, no matter what your style, if you win it’s the right one.

JMO

 

[hoophuskee]

This is something about Geno that I really dislike. And I think he does it because he's Geno, and can get away with it. I see no point in publicly criticizing your players ( keep it to one-on-one), and ,as you say, I expect players don't like it, and wish he wouldn't do it. What say you? Do you think there is some point? Or would you say it's no big deal?

No big deal imo.

It's the recruits "that tell us" if his criticism is bad. And "they tell us" that it's no big deal. Geno has been recruiting well the past 3 years.

 

[Charliebball]

I get chastised every time I bring this up but as far as I'm concerned at the beginning of the season you need to play the important bench players for the better part of a quarter regardless of the quality of their play............very few players can reach their potential looking at their own bench every time the buzzer goes off to see if they are getting the hook............just no way to get into the flow of the game physically or psychologically......

 

[Rb335]

I get chastised every time I bring this up but as far as I'm concerned at the beginning of the season you need to play the important bench players for the better part of a quarter regardless of the quality of their play............very few players can reach their potential looking at their own bench every time the buzzer goes off to see if they are getting the hook............just no way to get into the flow of the game physically or psychologically......

Definitely agree to an extent. Subbing a freshman in for 90 seconds at the end of a quarter or game does little to give them in game experience. Such short opportunities limit you to a small amount of potential impact plays, which to me causes players to press to impress. Especially when those at the end of the bench come in for the final minute, when the last 20-30 seconds is just dribbling out the clock.

However, there are more appropriate games to give them the run time. Playing the top overall team has implications on seeding/experience, and you need to play your best rotation to have a shot at winning. But does Evina Westbrook really need to play the last 5 min against Minnesota when you are up 31? If yes, what’s the purpose of carrying the bench players.

 

[Charliebball]

If the choice is go with starters primarily against the tougher competition to ensure maximum # of wins, or play bench players more (Azzi, Ducharme, etc) to give them development time but could result in few more losses, I'd rather give development time to the other newcomers. UConn is going to make the tournament regardless, the starters will be more rested, and UConn will have a deeper bench. I mean, what if starters get injured, do you then hope the newcomers can get up to speed in enough time? And, maybe someone like Ducharme could be a better player than even one of the starters if given the chance to develop- how else would we know?

there's a middle ground...........obviously in close games there's a limit to substitutions in order to win but in the upcoming conference games I would like to see Fudd, Ducharme and Dorka get good minutes and not only sporadic 2-3 minute "guest appearances"....

 

[hoophuskee]

Definitely agree to an extent. Subbing a freshman in for 90 seconds at the end of a quarter or game does little to give them in game experience. Such short opportunities limit you to a small amount of potential impact plays, which to me causes players to press to impress. Especially when those at the end of the bench come in for the final minute, when the last 20-30 seconds is just dribbling out the clock.

However, there are more appropriate games to give them the run time. Playing the top overall team has implications on seeding/experience, and you need to play your best rotation to have a shot at winning. But does Evina Westbrook really need to play the last 5 min against Minnesota when you are up 31? If yes, what’s the purpose of carrying the bench players.

UCONN has the whole season to give Evina rest because of the Big East being not very good. So what's wrong with giving Evina extra time to help prepare for USF? That USF game was a tough game. So, whose to say those extra minutes with Minny didn't help Evina and as a result help the team overall?

 

[boontonbomber]

Drives me crazy to see 6’2 Caroline who is scrappy and supposedly also a great shooter just sitting on the bench. If Azzi needs to heal, give Caroline some more time! If nothing else, she’ll become more familiar with actual game schemes and situations.

Clearly there are a bunch of people here who "like" your thoughts on giving Ducharme more time, who don't see her developing much as she gathers splinters. What, she was like the #5 rated recruit? And she's treated like a walk-on. Maybe get a petition going?

 

[Inthepaint]

Personally, I think Geno needs to do more validation of his players. He should only say nice things about them. I mean they are all trying their best aren’t they? We probably won’t win so many games but ‘yarders will be less offended. Perhaps some sort of sticker after every game will help?

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Yes, and while we are at it, what's with this whole ranking nonsense anyway?
And what about making those other 63 teams feel bad in April?
Not to mention all the ones who don't even get to go to "THE BIG DANCE".
Maybe cut down the nets and give everyone a participation trophy before the first round starts.
Suspend Geno for one game each time he says something negative about a player. Better yet, fire his nasty butt and put someone more diplomatic in charge.
It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you avoid offending anyone.

 

[The deacon]

Clearly there are a bunch of people here who "like" your thoughts on giving Ducharme more time, who don't see her developing much as she gathers splinters. What, she was like the #5 rated recruit? And she's treated like a walk-on. Maybe get a petition going?

I'm among the 'bunch of people' who'd like to see Caroline get some playing time. As with Dorka, flaws have surfaced, but with which Huskies, including our seniors, haven't they?

It could be that she's not ready to play an integral part in coming weeks, maybe months. However, as one poster noted days ago, freshmen across the country on very good teams are making an impact, and likely many of them are without Caroline's seemingly considerable skill set.

 

[Patty Bailey]

Personally, I think Geno needs to do more validation of his players. He should only say nice things about them. I mean they are all trying their best aren’t they? We probably won’t win so many games but ‘yarders will be less offended. Perhaps some sort of sticker after every game will help?

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Growing up my daughter HATED when her coaches said this!!

For clarification, since the graphic didn't seem to come over "When you had fun, you won!"

 

[visitingcock]

Yes, and while we are at it, what's with this whole ranking nonsense anyway?
And what about making those other 63 teams feel bad in April?
Not to mention all the ones who don't even get to go to "THE BIG DANCE".
Maybe cut down the nets and give everyone a participation trophy before the first round starts.
Suspend Geno for one game each time he says something negative about a player. Better yet, fire his nasty butt and put someone more diplomatic in charge.
It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you avoid offending anyone.

You forgot safe space

 

[boontonbomber]

To me if it’s personal then it’s a big deal, if it’s just about basketball not so much. Most players at the D-1 level have been challenged by previous coaches, and knew what they signed up for when deciding to play for the UConn brand. None of us particularly enjoyed it, but if you knew it was aimed at making you a better player you understood what was behind it. If a player stole from a teammate, cheated on an exam, or embarrassed the university then it’s going to personal, as it should be.
Every coach has their own style, & this is Geno’s. As a general rule, no matter what your style, if you win it’s the right one.

JMO

in other words, winning is not the most important thing, it's the only thing.

 

[Rb335]

UCONN has the whole season to give Evina rest because of the Big East being not very good. So what's wrong with giving Evina extra time to help prepare for USF? That USF game was a tough game. So, whose to say those extra minutes with Minny didn't help Evina and as a result help the team overall?

Potentially, yeah. Although whose to say those extra minutes of playing time didn’t catch up to her in the 4th quarter against SC, playing a 3rd game in three days? All hypothetical scenarios of course.

I would tend to think that giving a young player an extra 5 minutes against a mid tier team would do more to facilitate the development of depth than a RS Senior playing their 4th full season of college basketball.

 

[ConwayGmck]

“We outscored them by 18 over a 10-minute stretch,” Auriemma said. “That’s us. We did that. And then defensively, they couldn’t get anything they wanted in the first half. So that’s us, too. And then they come out in the second half and punched us pretty hard and we didn’t respond that fourth quarter. So what are the takeaways? We’re really, really good, and we’re really, really bad. So if this was February I’d be (worried). But it’s November and we’ve got a long time to figure some of the things out, how to stay that team that outscores them by 18 and add to that and how to eliminate the team that didn’t respond in the fourth quarter.”


“We outscored them by 18 over a 10-minute stretch,” Auriemma said. “That’s us. We did that."

OK?? So, I don't know the context that the question was put in, to elicit Auriemma's response in the fashion it was given. But he's talking about that 20-2 scoring run in the 1st quarter that put them up 20-8. South Carolina scored 6 to open the game, and then scored 6 more to end the quarter, with a 2-pointer in the middle. CT leads 20-14.

South Carolina outscored CT 23-5 over the final 12 minutes of the game, after CT led 52-50. Soooo......yeah....


"And then defensively, they couldn’t get anything they wanted in the first half. So that’s us, too."

OK now wait a minute. South Carolina shot from the field in the 1st half 15-33 (.455), with 2-9 from the 3-pt. line. CT shot 14-29 (.483), with 2-4 from behind the arc. CT shot the (slightly) better %, but SC out-scored CT from the field just the same, 32-30 for the first half. CT was 6-6 from the charity stripe, to SC's 1-3. THAT's where CT was able to lead SC by 3 pts at the half. It WAS NOT by any damned defense.

Also, this article opens with the premise that CT pushed ahead "for a lead it held for the bulk of what become a 73-57 loss"

CT held the lead for 18:40 of the game. SC held the lead for 18:26.

14 seconds. That's some bulk, there........

LMAO

 

[Plebe]

“We outscored them by 18 over a 10-minute stretch,” Auriemma said. “That’s us. We did that. And then defensively, they couldn’t get anything they wanted in the first half. So that’s us, too. And then they come out in the second half and punched us pretty hard and we didn’t respond that fourth quarter. So what are the takeaways? We’re really, really good, and we’re really, really bad. So if this was February I’d be (worried). But it’s November and we’ve got a long time to figure some of the things out, how to stay that team that outscores them by 18 and add to that and how to eliminate the team that didn’t respond in the fourth quarter.”


“We outscored them by 18 over a 10-minute stretch,” Auriemma said. “That’s us. We did that."

OK?? So, I don't know the context that the question was put in, to elicit Auriemma's response in the fashion it was given. But he's talking about that 20-2 scoring run in the 1st quarter that put them up 20-8. South Carolina scored 6 to open the game, and then scored 6 more to end the quarter, with a 2-pointer in the middle. CT leads 20-14.

South Carolina outscored CT 23-5 over the final 12 minutes of the game, after CT led 52-50. Soooo......yeah....


"And then defensively, they couldn’t get anything they wanted in the first half. So that’s us, too."

OK now wait a minute. South Carolina shot from the field in the 1st half 15-33 (.455), with 2-9 from the 3-pt. line. CT shot 14-29 (.483), with 2-4 from behind the arc. CT shot the (slightly) better %, but SC out-scored CT from the field just the same, 32-30 for the first half. CT was 6-6 from the charity stripe, to SC's 1-3. THAT's where CT was able to lead SC by 3 pts at the half. It WAS NOT by any damned defense.

Also, this article opens with the premise that CT pushed ahead "for a lead it held for the bulk of what become a 73-57 loss"

CT held the lead for 18:40 of the game. SC held the lead for 18:26.

14 seconds. That's some bulk, there........

LMAO

Wow. So triggered. You have expounded at astounding length and in multiple postings on this perceived grievance of yours.

Just tell us the address to which we should send the massive trophy with the inscription "Congrats! You're right! They're wrong!"

 

[ConwayGmck]

Wow. So triggered. You have expounded at astounding length and in multiple postings on this perceived grievance of yours.

Just tell us the address to which we should send the massive trophy with the inscription "Congrats! You're right! They're wrong!"

I've responded once each to multiple statements of the same thing from the same source. You guys have referenced a banner that was hung up once, about five dozen times. Talk about Roy Rogers' horse.....

1886 SC-90, Conway, SC 29526. When should I be expecting the delivery??

 

[Twolf]

in other words, winning is not the most important thing, it's the only thing.

I’m sorry if that’s the implication you took from my post, because that’s not what I meant at all. I was referring to the many different styles that coaches use in an attempt to reach the same goal. John Wooden’s style and personality is 180 degrees from GA’s, yet they both are at the top of their peers in terms of championships. Tony Dungy won a NFL championship, and Mike Ditka, who was the polar opposite in terms of style & personality, won one also. Dungy was criticized as being too quiet and laid back, but winning a championship quilted the critics and made his style the right one because he won. This has nothing to do with winning at all costs at all. Your posts indicate that you are no fan of parts of GA’s coaching style, nothing wrong with that opinion, but if you think that he’s a win at all costs type of coach I would contend that his former players and his peers would tend to disagree. If he treated players unfairly or abused them you would see a mass exit, ala Syracuse, despite his championships and how many games he’s won.

JMO

 

[JRRRJ]

What depth to you claim? Certainly Geno does not see the depth. Azzi contributed well in two games out of four. Dorka is not contributing other than be 6'5". I have no idea what happened to Nika but she is not playing like last year. Caroline could use game minutes to develop. So you have the starters, two subs and potentially Aubrey who has been an athletic wonder but not an all around player particularly on offense, Geno says she has improved BUT he said the same thing about Nika, He has lost confidence in Caroline already even though he lauded her practice play. When the rubber meets the road Geno's players' don't show any real development.
Minutes per game
Starting five: Paige 36.3, Evina 35.3, Christyn 32.5. Olivia 28.3, Aalyiah 20.0
Substitutes: Azzi 19.5, Dorka 14.3
Bench: Nika 8.3, Caroline 6.3, Piath 2.0, Mir 2.0, Amari 0.0!, Aubrey injured.

I've seen a lot of minimizing of Dorka's contributions on this board, which is curious, as her productivity has been quite good, even given the paucity of time she has had to integrate with the starters in live games.

Per-40 values through 4 games:
First in offensive rebounds.
Second in defensive rebounds.
Second (by a hair) in total rebounds.
Third (by a hair) in steals.
Sixth in points.

She also plays decent post defense, though she's rushing to the perimeter too often.

Not much data to go on, so an event move or less can skew the results, but this is not a useless reserve.

 

[hoophuskee]

Potentially, yeah. Although whose to say those extra minutes of playing time didn’t catch up to her in the 4th quarter against SC, playing a 3rd game in three days? All hypothetical scenarios of course.

I would tend to think that giving a young player an extra 5 minutes against a mid tier team would do more to facilitate the development of depth than a RS Senior playing their 4th full season of college basketball.

Yes it definitely hurt her for game 3. But just like in the NCAA Tourney - why UCONN remains the number 1 women’s basketball program in cbb; it's because they are always playing for a title in the last week of the season (13 straight years?), in tourneys; he gets his teams to be in it the last week. And no other team in Div 1 modern 1980's+ era can claim that or is within a couple of games of what he's done in the last 13 it. So in this case, after the Minny game was decided, the most important game was not SC but USF. Unlike Stanford, UCONN didn't allow a non-top 10 team to beat them this year -- so far. That's why you don’t overlook USF to play SC. Had to beat USF 1st. And that's why you play Evina. As a result, this helps your seeding in the long run which is also extremely crucial.

Thus, I think winning the game is more important ,and imo developing cohesion among your big time players is far more important than developing the bottom tier of the bench. Additionally, I think playing your stars and having the prolonged success that UCONN has enjoyed over the years nearly ensures UCONN will maintain getting the top tier players. As a result, we're in a phenomenal loop of success that we can easily project that at least this year and next we remain a beast barring catastrophic injuries.

 

[jchusky]

I've seen a lot of minimizing of Dorka's contributions on this board, which is curious, as her productivity has been quite good, even given the paucity of time she has had to integrate with the starters in live games.

Per-40 values through 4 games:
First in offensive rebounds.
Second in defensive rebounds.
Second (by a hair) in total rebounds.
Third (by a hair) in steals.
Sixth in points.

She also plays decent post defense, though she's rushing to the perimeter too often.

Not much data to go on, so an event move or less can skew the results, but this is not a useless reserve.

now list turnovers, not boxing out, and free throw %.