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OT: NFL overtime rules

McLovin said:
It’s time to adopt a system (at least for the playoffs) similar to college where both teams are guaranteed a shot.

Stupid a game like that comes down to a coin toss.

What an epic weekend of football.
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Oh well. This aged poorly in a weeks time.
 
McLovin said:
One game changed a decade worth of data? I think not.
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98 Falcons stopped Vikings when all they needed at the time was a fg, Giants in the 2007 and 2011 nfc championship.
 
Deepster said:
Yes. Yes, it did. Not a single person will question the OT rules this week.
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McLovin making the point that actual statistical data is more meaningful than one instance within a data set and you’re trying to dunk on him by proving how much you don’t understand that concept?
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
McLovin making the point that actual statistical data is more meaningful than one instance within a data set and you’re trying to dunk on him by proving how much you don’t understand that concept?
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I don’t think the OT system is broken. The numbers outside just the playoffs (a bigger data set) are much more reasonable. And a week after it was such an issue? It’s not an issue again.
 
Deepster said:
Yes. Yes, it did. Not a single person will question the OT rules this week.
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Glad both teams got a shot.

Maybe the bobble heads on TV wont.

But the past decade of data still says it’s not the best set of rule for the playoffs.
 
Deepster said:
I don’t think the OT system is broken. The numbers outside just the playoffs (a bigger data set) are much more reasonable. And a week after it was such an issue? It’s not an issue again.
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Also you can’t use the “bigger” data set when 10% of the bigger data set ends in a tie (a statistical impossibility for playoff football) and 90% of the larger data set was played under differ rules (10 min OT, can end in tie, etc.)
 
Deepster said:
I don’t think the OT system is broken. The numbers outside just the playoffs (a bigger data set) are much more reasonable. And a week after it was such an issue? It’s not an issue again.
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Can I ask, would you be okay if MLB extra innings were sudden death? First team to score wins?
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Can I ask, would you be okay if MLB extra innings were sudden death? First team to score wins?
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Not an accurate comparison. Outs aren’t the same as a running clock. And who bats first isn’t determined by a random coin toss. Nice try.
 
Deepster said:
Not an accurate comparison. Outs aren’t the same as a running clock. And who bats first isn’t determined by a random coin toss. Nice try.
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So the lack of random chance in determining who gets the significant advantage is what would be the issue for you? There is a pretty insignificant difference between outs and downs, so your first point is kind of moot. I mean, under that hypothetical if the home team pitches well and plays good defense, then they have a chance to win, right?

The point of course being, pro sports games should not inherently heavily favor one team based on something completely out of the players/coaches control. It’s mind-numbingly stupid to have a flip of a coin give a team a 20% higher likelihood to win.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
So the lack of random chance in determining who gets the significant advantage is what would be the issue for you? There is a pretty insignificant difference between outs and downs, so your first point is kind of moot. I mean, under that hypothetical if the home team pitches well and plays good defense, then they have a chance to win, right?

The point of course being, pro sports games should not inherently heavily favor one team based on something completely out of the players/coaches control. It’s mind-numbingly stupid to have a flip of a coin give a team a 20% higher likelihood to win.
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You do have control over your defense. The Bills gave up that fg too with 13 seconds left as well. Get the stop or go home. Your defense is paid to keep an opponent out of the endzone.
 
the Q said:
More accurately mahomes missed open receivers and hill didn’t come down with a ball he probably should’ve
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So the Bengals didn’t play any defense at all, how about Eli Apple dropping that pick 6.
 
Scoe said:
You do have control over your defense. The Bills gave up that fg too with 13 seconds left as well. Get the stop or go home. Your defense is paid to keep an opponent out of the endzone.
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And you have control over your pitching and defense in my hypothetical. Do you at least admit that there is a significant advantage to the team that randomly happens to win the coin toss?
 
WhereistheDove? said:
And you have control over your pitching and defense in my hypothetical. Do you at least admit that there is a significant advantage to the team that randomly happens to win the coin toss?
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Sure but I’m a traditionalist and I have gotten to like the OT rule, I do like the strategy of keeping an opponent out of the end zone as opposed to the old rule where a fg ends it on 1st possession.

I’m not really apt to rule changes but if the OT rules do change I say go to the baseball method where the home team has the ball last, no coin toss and no clock.
 
Scoe said:
So the Bengals didn’t play any defense at all, how about Eli Apple dropping that pick 6.
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I don't think this is making the point you think it is. Eli Apple dropping the pick is a pretty good example of the Bengals not playing defense and needing to get lucky where Mahomes threw an actual interception to win the game
 
Scoe said:
So the Bengals didn’t play any defense at all, how about Eli Apple dropping that pick 6.
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You mean the slant where he was scorched and the only reason he got hands on it was because the ball was so far behind the wr he couldn’t even get a finger on it?
 
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navery12 said:
I don't think this is making the point you think it is. Eli Apple dropping the pick is a pretty good example of the Bengals not playing defense and needing to get lucky where Mahomes threw an actual interception to win the game
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The receiver was also open on the play and mahomes missed him badly
 
navery12 said:
I don't think this is making the point you think it is. Eli Apple dropping the pick is a pretty good example of the Bengals not playing defense and needing to get lucky where Mahomes threw an actual interception to win the game
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Luck is always a factor, Mahomes looked out of it, Mahomes being off had to be a factor for the Bengals to win.

That interception was good coverage should Hill have come up with a catch there probably but it shows you what can happen when you play tight coverage as opposed to giving a free release.

On that interception btw that ball was batted down then intercepted. I would say their defense was better then the Bills I’m sure there was a psychological effect from the end of the half and end of regulation as well from the Chiefs.
 
Scoe said:
Luck is always a factor, Mahomes looked out of it, Mahomes being off had to be a factor for the Bengals to win.

That interception was good coverage should Hill have come up with a catch there probably but it shows you what can happen when you play tight coverage as opposed to giving a free release.

On that interception btw that ball was batted down then intercepted. I would say their defense was better then the Bills I’m sure there was a psychological effect from the end of the half and end of regulation as well from the Chiefs.
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He was horrific after the chiefs dropped like 3 passes the first 2 drives of the half.

And missed a wide open Kelsey in the ez on one of their sacks at the end of regulations

Everyone has bad days

But against a laughably inferior team in the afccg is a really bad time to have one
 
Scoe said:
Sure but I’m a traditionalist and I have gotten to like the OT rule, I do like the strategy of keeping an opponent out of the end zone as opposed to the old rule where a fg ends it on 1st possession.

I’m not really apt to rule changes but if the OT rules do change I say go to the baseball method where the home team has the ball last, no coin toss and no clock.
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I feel like the traditionalist thing doesn't really stand up when you're arguing for rules that started in 2010.
 
the Q said:
He was horrific after the chiefs dropped like 3 passes the first 2 drives of the half.

And missed a wide open Kelsey in the ez on one of their sacks at the end of regulations

Everyone has bad days

But against a laughably inferior team in the afccg is a really bad time to have one
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Could’ve should’ve would’ve
 
WhereistheDove? said:
I feel like the traditionalist thing doesn't really stand up when you're arguing for rules that started in 2010.
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You gotta admit it’s at least better then the old rule of a fg winning it.
 
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Scoe said:
Could’ve should’ve would’ve
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Yes. Him playing bad doesn’t mean the other team played good.

Mahomes gave it away.

It happens
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Low bars are easy to step over.
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I don’t think you deserve to win if you give up a TD after 60 minutes. Defense wins championships still and no defense loses one, it’s not as if the ball is placed on the goal line.

I might be a traditionalist but have been adaptable to change, I like the OT rules the way they have them and as long I like it that’s all that really matters.
 
Scoe said:
I don’t think you deserve to win if you give up a TD after 60 minutes. Defense wins championships still and no defense loses one, it’s not as if the ball is placed on the goal line.

I might be a traditionalist but have been adaptable to change, I like the OT rules the way they have them and as long I like it that’s all that really matters.
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If they made this change you'd love it within 5 years guaranteed. You keep calling yourself a traditionalist while arguing for a rule that was created when kids in middle school right now were born.

Why not go back to the FG wins it then? Like you said, defense wins championships and if your defense lets the opponent get into FG range you should lose the game right?
 
navery12 said:
If they made this change you'd love it within 5 years guaranteed. You keep calling yourself a traditionalist while arguing for a rule that was created when kids in middle school right now were born.

Why not go back to the FG wins it then? Like you said, defense wins championships and if your defense lets the opponent get into FG range you should lose the game right?
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Giving up a FG is far different then a TD. Never liked that old rule too much at the time.

If there is a change to the OT I would go with the baseball model of home team getting the ball last, no coin toss and no clock.
 
Scoe said:
Giving up a FG is far different then a TD. Never liked that old rule too much at the time.

If there is a change to the OT I would go with the baseball model of home team getting the ball last, no coin toss and no clock.
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Your proposal is basically splitting hairs from the proposal that you're arguing against.
 
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