Next year depth

[king conn]

What numbers? And I didn't see DD bringing the ball up the court very often. Pretty sure KO preferred the ball in his guards hands, as a former point guard and all.

Really, you should read the thread before you reply to it. What numbers? Turnovers, as I pointed out repeatedly. A high number would support what you are trying to say. He has a low number of turnovers for someone playing major minutes as a main scoring option, which supports what I said.
As for the rest, you should probably try watching some games, I don't know what else to tell you. Then you don't have to be pretty sure.

 

[intlzncster]

Really, you should read the thread before you reply to it. What numbers? Turnovers, as I pointed out repeatedly. A high number would support what you are trying to say. He has a low number of turnovers for someone playing major minutes as a main scoring option, which supports what I said.
As for the rest, you should probably try watching some games, I don't know what else to tell you. Then you don't have to be pretty sure.

Turnovers don't necessarily say anything about ball handling man. Seriously. They don't count the number of drives, percentage ending with a shot, percentage ending with an assist or points or turnover or whatever. Turnovers take into account anything (passing included). It's a nonsensical assumption to equate turnovers to ball handling straight up.

He has low turnovers because he hardly ever broke down his man off the dribble and drove. Show me the frequency per game of that. And the turnovers/shots/assists related, and you'll actually have something to back up your claims with.

His biggest weapons were turn away spins/fades and 3pt shots. When DeAndre handled, most of us were holding our breath.

 

[king conn]

Turnovers don't necessarily say anything about ball handling man. Seriously. They don't count the number of drives, percentage ending with a shot, percentage ending with an assist or points or turnover or whatever. Turnovers take into account anything (passing included). It's a nonsensical assumption to equate turnovers to ball handling straight up.

He has low turnovers because he hardly ever broke down his man off the dribble and drove. Show me the frequency per game of that. And the turnovers/shots/assists related, and you'll actually have something to back up your claims with.

His biggest weapons were turn away spins/fades and 3pt shots. When DeAndre handled, most of us were holding our breath.

Every sentence here is bizarre. Seriously. That's quite an accomplishment. I will give you that.

 

[DogMania]

I surprised we didn't add a 3-4.
Facey can swing over and play the 5 in a pinch.
But should only be in an emergency.
Is it too late to pickup a post-grad stretch 4?
I'm not counting on Lubin this year.

Many didn't count on Brimah or Samuel last season and look how much they contributed. I wouldn't be so quick to count out the Rock.

 

[Walker11]

Every sentence here is bizarre. Seriously. That's quite an accomplishment. I will give you that.

I watched every minute DeAndre played here and I think I can count the number of times he took a defender off the dribble on 2 hands. Not adding he can't, I saw a solid handle when I watched his high school mix tapes but that wasn't his role here.

 

[DogMania]

Facey is a worse shooter than Nolan. If you think Facey is a stretch four u don't know what a stretch four is. We do not have a stretch four on our roster.

How do any of you know what Facey is capable of? He barely played last season. Based on what I've seen so far from Nolan, he looks like a 4 who can man the 5 when needed like he did last season, while Facey looks like a 4/3 combo forward if he can improve his handle and shooting. In the shoot around before games, he seems to have a nice stroke and has the potential to be a solid jump shooter at some point.

 

[James]

Really, you should read the thread before you reply to it. What numbers? Turnovers, as I pointed out repeatedly. A high number would support what you are trying to say. He has a low number of turnovers for someone playing major minutes as a main scoring option, which supports what I said.
As for the rest, you should probably try watching some games, I don't know what else to tell you. Then you don't have to be pretty sure.

daniels had 17 assists and 56 turnovers what are you talking about? he also rarely created his own 3pt shot, all of them were assisted by napier/boatshow. poor ball handler

 

[king conn]

I watched every minute DeAndre played here and I think I can count the number of times he took a defender off the dribble on 2 hands. Not adding he can't, I saw a solid handle when I watched his high school mix tapes but that wasn't his role here.

Just finished watching the first half of the Villanova game. Counted 3 times he took someone off the dribble. That's 3 fingers according to your calculations in one half of one game.
You guys are incredible.

 

[champs99and04]

Every sentence here is bizarre. Seriously. That's quite an accomplishment. I will give you that.

I thought it made plenty of sense. If you were going to use a stat to support your claim that DeAndre had a strong handle, his assist to turnover ratio probably would have been the way to go. Turnovers are a stat linked strongly to usage rate, assist/turnover provides much more context, and 'Dre posted a .27 mark which is terrible by any measure. Comparatively, Niels Giffey - somebody whose role within the offense was relatively similar - posted a .88 a/to ratio, and he didn't have a great handle by any means.

DeAndre scored his points in four ways: pick and pops, put backs, post ups, and transition. Rarely did Daniels isolate a defender at the wing and beat his man off the dribble. It just wasn't a staple of our offense. Granted, Daniels would occasionally exploit his match-up against a slower defender, but it isn't like he was out there crossing guys up and freezing defenders.

Personally, I thought DeAndre's handle was the weakest part of his game. He really struggled to dribble in traffic, especially against smaller defenders. That doesn't mean he wasn't still an irreplaceable player who evolved into a stud by the end of the year, just that dribbling the ball wasn't his strong suit.

 

[king conn]

daniels had 17 assists and 56 turnovers what are you talking about? he also rarely created his own 3pt shot, all of them were assisted by napier/boatshow. poor ball handler

So this guy chimes in that he creates no two or three point shots. So he can't create any shots.
What a fan base we have

 

[Walker11]

So this guy chimes in that he creates no two or three point shots. So he can't create any shots.
What a fan base we have

You may be a great fan, but you are a stupid fan. Thanks for supporting Uconn. Watch some games fella.

 

[king conn]

I thought it made plenty of sense. If you were going to use a stat to support your claim that DeAndre had a strong handle, his assist to turnover ratio probably would have been the way to go. Turnovers are a stat linked strongly to usage rate, assist/turnover provides much more context, and 'Dre posted a .27 mark which is terrible by any measure. Comparatively, Niels Giffey - somebody whose role within the offense was relatively similar - posted a .88 a/to ratio, and he didn't have a great handle by any means.

DeAndre scored his points in four ways: pick and pops, put backs, post ups, and transition. Rarely did Daniels isolate a defender at the wing and beat his man off the dribble. It just wasn't a staple of our offense. Granted, Daniels would occasionally exploit his match-up against a slower defender, but it isn't like he was out there crossing guys up and freezing defenders.

Personally, I thought DeAndre's handle was the weakest part of his game. He really struggled to dribble in traffic, especially against smaller defenders. That doesn't mean he wasn't still an irreplaceable player who evolved into a stud by the end of the year, just that dribbling the ball wasn't his strong suit.

If you followed the start of this, which I have figured out is too much for most of you, this was all in the context of a 6-8 stretch 4 and his handle. You would be hard pressed to find any college player this year with his height, with his minutes, as a main scoring option as a wing/ stretch 4, with as low a turnover rate per game. Assists have absolutely nothing to do with it. If he is driving to shoot the probability of a turnover is actually higher than if he is able to bail with a pass.

For someone to say DD posted up more than dribble drived is actually comical.

You know, I'm going to be really disappointed when DD is passed over in the nba draft. Because we all know the nba would never take a wing who cannot handle or create his own shot as you are all saying.

 

[king conn]

You may be a great fan, but you are a stupid fan. Thanks for supporting Uconn. Watch some games fella.

So I made you look stupid. That's what you were feeling so you called me stupid.
Next time think twice, don't blame me fella

 

[Walker11]

For someone to say DD posted up more than dribble drived is actually comical.

Wait you watched no tournament games.

You know, I'm going to be really disappointed when DD is passed over in the nba draft. Because we all know the nba would never take a wing who cannot handle or create his own shot as you are all saying.

Straw man or stupid who knows.

 

[king conn]

Straw man or stupid who knows.

Could you at least be original and stop stealing your name calling from other peoples posts?

 

[Walker11]

Straw man or stupid who knows.

Maybe you are right, but I'll stick with Champs, James, and Intl, three great posters who I know have watched as many games as I have.

 

[champs99and04]

If you followed the start of this, which I have figured out is too much for most of you, this was all in the context of a 6-8 stretch 4 and his handle. You would be hard pressed to find any college player this year with his height, with his minutes, as a main scoring option as a wing/ stretch 4, with as low a turnover rate per game. Assists have absolutely nothing to do with it. If he is driving to shoot the probability of a turnover is actually higher than if he is able to bail with a pass.

For someone to say DD posted up more than dribble drived is actually comical.

You know, I'm going to be really disappointed when DD is passed over in the nba draft. Because we all know the nba would never take a wing who cannot handle or create his own shot as you are all saying.

His handle improved as the season progressed, I'll give you that. But again, I'm not sure what you were watching if you're acting like DeAndre was always isolating at the wing or the top of the key and blowing by the initial defender. Whenever KO wanted to involve DeAndre in the offense, it usually came in the form of a post up or a favorable match-up that was generated by a switch on the perimeter. As far as the NBA draft is concerned, guys are selected all the time who don't have finalized skill sets. If DeAndre is going to stick around in the league, he'll have to improve his handle. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's really going to get a crack at the league after his showing at the combine. I'd say he's a mid-second round talent.

And, by the way, assists are absolutely an indicator of ball-handling ability. It's a statistic that's strongly linked with a players ability to create, both for himself and others. One of the reasons DeAndre couldn't consistently create was because of his ball-handling deficiencies.

 

[king conn]

Maybe you are right, but I'll stick with Champs, James, and Intl, three great posters who I know have watched as many games as I have.

Ok I get it. Fair enough.

 

[king conn]

His handle improved as the season progressed, I'll give you that. But again, I'm not sure what you were watching if you're acting like DeAndre was always isolating at the wing or the top of the key and blowing by the initial defender. Whenever KO wanted to involve DeAndre in the offense, it usually came in the form of a post up or a favorable match-up that was generated by a switch on the perimeter. As far as the NBA draft is concerned, guys are selected all the time who don't have finalized skill sets. If DeAndre is going to stick around in the league, he'll have to improve his handle. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's really going to get a crack at the league after his showing at the combine. I'd say he's a mid-second round talent.

And, by the way, assists are absolutely an indicator of ball-handling ability. It's a statistic that's strongly linked with a players ability to create, both for himself and others. One of the reasons DeAndre couldn't consistently create was because of his ball-handling deficiencies.

He is not a point guard!
He is a scorer that they asked to score.
Unless he was a lights out isolation shooter or rodman like rebounder ( which he is neither) the nba would have no use for him if he couldn't handle the ball. If he gets drafted first round that would mean they think he can. And if it's the 2nd round, he will have to prove he can. But my argument always was, DD vs. fellow college 4's. You guys are acting like I'm comparing him to Chris Paul or something....

 

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Back to next years depth... I think all of our guys will come back highly motivated even after a championship because all of them have something to prove.

This is Ryan's last shot to prove he can be an NBA PG and he finally gets the chance to be a leader of this team. KO will be preparing him all summer mentally for this leadership role.

Rodney has sat by for a year and watched this team win a championship. His mix of talent along with the hunger and motivation he must have for having to sit out while watching this championship run has to be scary. He will be one of the better scoring guards in the country. I could see him averaging 16 and this really being one of the most athletic backcourts we ever had with him and Ryan. I really can't wait to see these experienced guards play with 2+ years of coaching from Ollie.

Terrence is expecting bigger minutes. I could see him hitting a sophomore slump though. Hopefully not though and he comes in improved with the same confidence from last year to be the steady change of pace PG off the bench who can push it when need be.

We all know Omar is hungry to come back and show everyone last season was a fluke. With Daniel Hamilton coming in he is going to be working his ass off all summer to make sure he is ready to make an impact this upcoming season.

Daniel is a great talent. If he starts it will be because he is that good. If he comes off the bench what a great weapon to have come off the bench. Coming off the bench would mean better chances of staying another year too.

Facey didn't play last year so everyone should know he's waiting for his chance to shine. For the first time we have a legit 4 length and size was who could really stretch the floor. I'm sure he will be ready after a summer of working on his game and getting bigger. Look at the development Phil had from his freshman to sophomore year in terms of feel for the game and size.

Amida could be defensive player of the year next year once he learns the small stuff like keeping his hands up on defense. This kid will be a lottery pick. The question is how soon? I know everyone is afraid of how much he will develop because of his shoulder surgery and what happened to Calhoun last year, but he isn't a guard and with bigs it's a lot less about skill and more about just knowing positioning. He will have plenty of time to work on his post game and get bigger. I'm really excited for his development because he has all the tools to be an All American C. Long with a great frame, good touch, great at running the floor, plays extremely hard all the time, and something that can't be understated especially by someone who is playing his 4th year of organized basketball is his ability to keep the ball high. Once this guy gains muscle, learns positioning, and get reps with his post game he will really be an elite C.

Phil has to work on his vertical jump. He should be more than good enough to play a backup center role. He played great positional defense last year and was great on defense against guys like Payne, a Young, and the Kentucky bigs. He is a guy that will benefit from another year in the S&C program and reps in the gym. His post game looked solid last year he just had problems finishing and at times he would get his footwork messed up. He will be a great option as a backup to spell Amida or Facey though. Him playing next to Amida will be similar to the Armstrong, Boone days.

Our other 2 freshman our huge unknowns to me. They can be in similar situations like Facey and Terrence last year where they would just have to sit, watch, develop, and wait their turn. Lubin may get minutes to spell Facey though if ready. I really feel like Facey will be ready to have a solid year for us and be a much more consistent presence than DD. Now when I say consistent I don't necessarily mean better. When DD played hard last year and was on he was a special player, but he did not play like that all season. I expect Facey to be a consistent threat on the glass and be a much better effort guy which could translate into a 8 and 7 type of year.

With all that said, I'm super excited for next season. This is really a top 10/5 team with it's eyes at a repeat and being the most athletic team we ever had. I'm sure that's what Ollie is going to be preaching all season like great coaches do. You're suppose to look at the regular season as practices and preparation for the Tournament and Ollie fully understands that.

 

[bmayuc]

He is not a point guard!
He is a scorer that they asked to score.
Unless he was a lights out isolation shooter or rodman like rebounder ( which he is neither) the nba would have no use for him if he couldn't handle the ball. If he gets drafted first round that would mean they think he can. And if it's the 2nd round, he will have to prove he can. But my argument always was, DD vs. fellow college 4's. You guys are acting like I'm comparing him to Chris Paul or something....

you don't make any sense, and clearly do not know DeAndre Daniels' game, or NBA ball. If you are a 6'8 wing in the league you are either a superstar(not daniels), or a 3D player.

Since you are not displaying any knowledge thus far on this thread I'll spell it out for you. A 3D player is a wing who can guard multiple positions due to size/athleticism(D), and stroke open three's, often from the corners(3). The one thing they almost never, EVER do is dribble the basketball.

They play tough D, run to the corners on offense, and wait for a pass from a Pick/Roll or rotation. If open, they shoot. If not, THEY ROTATE THE BALL OUT.

As an example, James Jones(6'8, 200... sound familiar?) shoots 90%+ of his shots on corner threes.

So your point that the NBA would have no need for a wing that can't dribble is not only incorrect, but mind-numbingly incoherent with modern basketball theory.

Just stop. seriously. Stop.

 

[king conn]

you don't make any sense, and clearly do not know DeAndre Daniels' game, or NBA ball. If you are a 6'8 wing in the league you are either a superstar(not daniels), or a 3D player.

Since you are not displaying any knowledge thus far on this thread I'll spell it out for you. A 3D player is a wing who can guard multiple positions due to size/athleticism(D), and stroke open three's, often from the corners(3). The one thing they almost never, EVER do is dribble the basketball.

They play tough D, run to the corners on offense, and wait for a pass from a Pick/Roll or rotation. If open, they shoot. If not, THEY ROTATE THE BALL OUT.

As an example, James Jones(6'8, 200... sound familiar?) shoots 90%+ of his shots on corner threes.

So your point that the NBA would have no need for a wing that can't dribble is not only incorrect, but mind-numbingly incoherent with modern basketball theory.

Just stop. seriously. Stop.

Now we have someone checking in from Mars.
Has Andy Kaufman returned?

 

[bmayuc]

Now we have someone checking in from Mars.
Has Andy Kaufman returned?

I can't be more clear, you are not funny.

And I will take your lack of response to the content of my post as your admission that you have no idea what you are talking about and hijacked this thread for no reason other than enjoying watching your own words flicker across your screen as you type them.

 

[king conn]

I can't be more clear, you are not funny.

And I will take your lack of response to the content of my post as your admission that you have no idea what you are talking about and hijacked this thread for no reason other than enjoying watching your own words flicker across your screen as you type them.

Clearly my point was how funny you were.
That didn't really deserve a response but I will respect your wishes. In your lame attempt to sound hip, what you were trying to describe was an isolation shooter, which I covered long ago, and said he was not. Not surprisingly, you were lost from the beginning.
Now the rest? No 6-8 nba wings who are not superstars that can dribble? Or they all have that combination of being an isolation shooter AND astounding defense? You own that, I don't have to say anything.
3d? Hallucinating can be my only guess judging from your content.
You've got nothing dude.

 

[DogMania]

How does a thread about depth turn into one about DD's game and NBA prospects?

Anyhow, his handle improved and will probably get better. He's not going to remind anyone of KD, but has some budding NBA game, such as that turn around fall away J. Not sure how high he will get drafted by I think he'll have a nice NBA career.

As for depth, plenty at the 1 through 3, not a lot at the 4 and 5. Brimah and Nolan have proven they can play at this level. Facey has shown glimpses of such. We will need Rock to develop quickly and we'll be fine.

I trusty KO and his staff to develop the team like he did last year.