Newton and Spencer Big East First Team

[superjohn]

how would he win BE player of the year in the AAC?

He didn't win Big East player of the year when he was in the AAC because UConn gets no respect. It's as simple as that.

 

[Waquoit]

That Creighton kid did beat out Bazz for National POY. Undeservedly, imo. I think that's what the guy meant.

 

[UCann]

Solo!

Had he not dropped off so much the later part of the season I think there was a case to be made for inclusion.

 

[JB75]

Hell yes and in the NCAAT. I hope he reacts like Kemba after Ben Hansborough got BE POY in 2011

That was the biggest joke that he got it over Kemba that year

 

[ToolzieFan]

I actually wonder if team performance causes certain players to be slightly overrated on EvanMiya.com, because our guys all look amazing by his numbers. Per his ratings, we have five of the top eight players in the Big East and six of the top 13. It’s ludicrous how good we’ve been.

 

[NickDanger]

It is Hurley, he's still mad at him for bad defensive performances at Creighton & Seton Hall.

Just kidding!! You are not allowed to vote for your own players.

No, Newton was unanimous.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Jameer Nelson won ovet Okafor I believe as well.

I couldn't bring myself to click Like to confirm this.

 

[DogMania]

The only thing that matters to these guys is the ring. The one they got last year, and the one they want this year.

Add BE Conference Champions and BET Champs to that list. One down, two to go!

 

[Kolumbo]

I actually wonder if team performance causes certain players to be slightly overrated on EvanMiya.com, because our guys all look amazing by his numbers. Per his ratings, we have five of the top eight players in the Big East and six of the top 13. It’s ludicrous how good we’ve been.
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Interesting stats
The Freshman on the list
Stephon Castle

Award winners not in top 20 on list
Danis Jenkins, St. John's, All-Big East Second Team
Quincy Olivari, Xavier, All-Big East Honorable Mention

Top 20 on list no awards
Alex Karaban
Hassan Diarra
Stevie Mitchell
Steven Ashworth
Kam Jones
Joel Soriano
Jaden Bediako

I didn't get to see Danis Jenkins but the kid played 2 years at Pacific and 1 year at Iona. The Portal is the way.

 

[DogMania]

In addition to team accolades (BET and National Champs) to achieve, there's a lot of individual hardware to earn in both tournaments. I hope that AK brings some home.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Newton, Spencer, Castle, Karaban, Clingan, coached by Hurley.

vs.

Kolek, Carter, Kadary, Baylor, and Kalkbrenner, coached by Holloway (or Shaka or McDermott if they want).

Seems pretty even honestly.

Build it out with Diarra as the 6th Man, and the other team gets whoever wins the award if it isn't Diarra (or the next highest vote getter if it is).

 

[auror]

I actually wonder if team performance causes certain players to be slightly overrated on EvanMiya.com, because our guys all look amazing by his numbers. Per his ratings, we have five of the top eight players in the Big East and six of the top 13. It’s ludicrous how good we’ve been.
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He's admitted there is some correlation between teammates that can overrate others in his metric, but I don't believe UConn is a good example of that. There's been a good amount of data without each other (Karaban missed a game, Castle 6, Clingan 5) and this phenomenon is usually when there's 1 star that carries teammates (like Braden Smith being high partially due to Edey). UConn has a more balanced approach in both scoring and impact.

You could argue the scheme is so good that it overrates the players, but that's a slightly different conversation and it takes good (and smart) players to make it work so well.

But yeah, it's ludicrous that we went 18-2 in conference, so ludicrous results like this should be the end result. It's ludicrous we had a +17.2 scoring margin against a top 50 schedule, too.

 

[giddyup]

AK is a killer and he’s is going to have a fire lit. I pity the fools…

 

[businesslawyer]

I actually wonder if team performance causes certain players to be slightly overrated on EvanMiya.com, because our guys all look amazing by his numbers. Per his ratings, we have five of the top eight players in the Big East and six of the top 13. It’s ludicrous how good we’ve been.
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As someone has already stated, because of UConn’s dominance I’m not sure what this really shows us when comparing UConn players to those on other teams. What I find interesting, however, is the comparison of the on court value of UConn’s players. For those of us who have had real issues determining how important each of the five starters is relevant to the others, here is some data and a relevant ranking of Clingan, Castle, Newton, Spencer, Karaban. And showing why Diarra in for one of them isn’t a huge drop off.

 

[jibsey]

This team is like basketball thanksgiving for us. Feast.

 

[Palatine]

Somebody agrees with me that Clingan should be BE POTY. He is the only true unicorn in the league.

 

[dennismenace]

Karaban snubbed. Nuts. Go off at MSG AK.

 

[JohnFSilver]

I actually wonder if team performance causes certain players to be slightly overrated on EvanMiya.com, because our guys all look amazing by his numbers. Per his ratings, we have five of the top eight players in the Big East and six of the top 13. It’s ludicrous how good we’ve been.
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I don’t think it overrates UConn players. Newton=spencer= Karaban.

Clingan remains a dominant player and a castle is a top freshman and very good.

For a college team, UConn is about as good as you’re going to get. All 5 starters are nba caliber players and are experienced, which makes them that much more difficult to beat.

There isn’t a sure fire top 5 nba pick on team though Clingan and Castle could be mid-late
Lottery.

I think Hurley might have found his niche getting transfers. Nearly everyone brought in has really been impactful.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Somebody agrees with me that Clingan should be BE POTY. He is the only true unicorn in the league.

I don’t disagree. He is the only player in conference that changes the game, and how you play.

 

[businesslawyer]

Somebody agrees with me that Clingan should be BE POTY. He is the only true unicorn in the league.

He is the most valuable player in the league by a huge amount. However, given the number of games he missed, his numbers and the way these awards are usually given, I wouldn’t have expected him to be a contender for POTY.

Having said that, it is absolutely clear that there is not another player in the conference where the game changes as much if foul trouble or an injury sends him off the court.

 

[Tenspro2002]

I actually wonder if team performance causes certain players to be slightly overrated on EvanMiya.com, because our guys all look amazing by his numbers. Per his ratings, we have five of the top eight players in the Big East and six of the top 13. It’s ludicrous how good we’ve been.
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I mean, the team success results from the success of individual players, so that makes sense, right?

We were 4 games better than everyone else in conference, and won a lot of our games by huge margins. Our efficiency numbers should be through the roof.

Actually, what I find interesting is how much of our defensive prowess is ascribed to Clingan alone. Most of our other guys are ranked pretty poorly, aside from Castle and Diarra. I wonder if Samson Johnson being pretty mediocre on D is pulling down everyone else's D numbers.

 

[elmcityboy]

i think we have learned that "big east weekly honors" have very little impact on all-league voting, but here are the final regular season tallies all the same. karaban got another nod for honorable mention (more on that later)

Player	Team	POTW	FOTW	Honor Role
Pierre Brooks	Butler			1
Jahmyl Telfort	Butler			3
Jalen Thomas	Butler			1
DJ Davis	Butler			2
Trey Alexander	Creighton	2		4
Baylor Scheierman	Creighton	2		3
Ryan Kalkbrenner	Creighton			2
Chico Carter	DePaul			1
Rowan Brumbaugh	Georgetown		1
Dontrez Styles	Georgetown			1
Jayden Epps	Georgetown			2
Kam Jones	Marquette	2		2
Tyler Kolek	Marquette	2		4
Oso Ighodaro	Marquette			2
Sean Jones	Marquette			1
Devin Carter	PeeCee	2		7
Bryce Hopkins	PeeCee			3
Rich Barron	PeeCee		1
Josh Oduro	PeeCee			1
Kadary Richmond	Seton Hall	2		4
Al-Amir Dawes	Seton Hall	1		1
Dre Davis	Seton Hall	1		1
Isaiah Coleman	Seton Hall		2
Joel Soriano	St. John's			5
Brady Dunlap	St. John's			1
Glen Taylor Jr	St. John's			1
Daniss Jenkins	St. John's			4
Donovan Clingan	UConn			2
Stephon Castle	UConn		11
Alex Karaban	UConn			5
Tristen Newton	UConn	1		5
Solomon Ball	UConn		1
Cam Spencer	UConn			2
Eric Dixon	Villanova	1		3
Tyler Burton	Villanova			1
Justin Moore	Villanova			1
TJ Bamba	Villanova			1
Desmond Claude	Xavier			4
Lazar Djokovic	Xavier		1
Quincy Olivari	Xavier	1		3

 

[elmcityboy]

with castle removed (he would be number one otherwise) here is a list of the players with the most weekly honors.

karaban is BY FAR the player with the most honors to NOT make an all-league team. according to this (admittedly lacking) metric, he had a top-10 season in the big east. kind of a shocking omission.

Devin Carter	9
Trey Alexander	6
Tyler Kolek	6
Kadary Richmond	6
Tristen Newton	6
Baylor Scheierman	5
Joel Soriano	5
Alex Karaban	5
Kam Jones	4
Daniss Jenkins	4
Eric Dixon	4
Desmond Claude	4
Quincy Olivari	4
Jahmyl Telfort	3
Bryce Hopkins	3
DJ Davis	2
Ryan Kalkbrenner	2
Jayden Epps	2
Oso Ighodaro	2
Al-Amir Dawes	2
Dre Davis	2
Isaiah Coleman	2
Donovan Clingan	2
Cam Spencer	2
Pierre Brooks	1
Jalen Thomas	1
Chico Carter	1
Rowan Brumbaugh	1
Dontrez Styles	1
Sean Jones	1
Rich Barron	1
Josh Oduro	1
Brady Dunlap	1
Glen Taylor Jr	1
Solomon Ball	1
Tyler Burton	1
Justin Moore	1
TJ Bamba	1
Lazar Djokovic	1

 

[NJHusky]

with castle removed (he would be number one otherwise) here is a list of the players with the most weekly honors.

karaban is BY FAR the player with the most honors to NOT make an all-league team. according to this (admittedly lacking) metric, he had a top-10 season in the big east. kind of a shocking

Does this lead u to surmise we have a few more awards coming so they stopped giving out mention to UConn..POTY, DPOTY?

 

[Scottobot]

All of UConn starting 5 deserves making 1st or second team, but these teams rarely have more than 2 players from one team.