New Rule For Transfers Proposed

[HW611]

If this is solely about basketball development, then I agree ... I can be selfish like that as a fanatic, b/c I want 'keep' our players too

How many of those 3-4 year players went on to play in the NBA or professionally? ... isn't the average something like 2-3% of all college hoopers ever play pro?

If this about academics and shaping young athletes for non-basketball success (which is often a point, when convenient), then I disagree ... the person that went to 3 schools, arrives in a future deal or interview room w/ 3 different sets of experiences; risk taking, adversities, successes, uncertainties, failures, etc. ... vs. someone that went to just one.

I appreciate how college hoops has changed to finally give athletes the autonomy & piece of the pie they deserve, just like any other student.

If we’re talking about high level players we have plenty examples in our history of guys staying here for 3-4 years and getting drafted high.

If we’re talking about it from an off the court basis I think its still the same. Cam is an exception to this rule because our culture is different and he had so much success in his one year here, but other players who go to 3 places in 4 years probably aren't developing a strong network or taking any sort of school work seriously with all of the credits transferring they'll have to do. How can a company expect you to stay them long term when you couldn't even commit to your basketball team for over a year?

This system is just not great for the players outside of vey superficial financial or exposure reasons (and exposure isn't even necessary).

Some of our brightest NBA stars didn't need to transfer up to get drafted high (Steph, Ja, Dame, etc.) The need to transfer to a bigger school for better NBA prospects is a myth. If you are great they will find you wherever you play.

 

[Waquoit]

This is a solution in search of a problem.

 

[Flipside]

... How can a company expect you to stay them long term when you couldn't even commit to your basketball team for over a year? ...

easily, they can eat their own dogfood ... the individual can either 1) resign to the old-world guise that length of time = committment, and power through their misery, until the company lays them off for no reason

... or, 2) spin it in to a positive when asked about their choice of change ... e.g. "I hated the place, so I took my career in to my own hands, voted with my feet, and left, rather than being chained to the company and complaining day in and out"

... as a Partner Advisor to a Big4, I'm recommending that the fluid person get hired to our team over someone that stayed in a miserable environment (to them) b/c they embraced the falacy that "commitment = years" ... often that's the same person that won't speak/act up, when they discover something that might cause us to fail an audit (or worse) and affect all of our careers & livelihoods!

just my $02 ... might be $.03 by now, lol

 

[HW611]

easily, they can eat their own dogfood ... the individual can either 1) resign to the old-world guise that length of time = committment, and power through their misery, until the company lays them off for no reason

... or, 2) spin it in to a positive when asked about their choice of change ... e.g. "I hated the place, so I took my career in to my own hands, voted with my feet, and left, rather than being chained to the company and complaining day in and out"

... as a Partner Advisor to a Big4, I'm recommending that the fluid person get hired to our team over someone that stayed in a miserable environment (to them) b/c they embraced the falacy that "commitment = years" ... often that's the same person that won't speak/act up, when they discover something that might cause us to fail an audit (or worse) and affect all of our careers & livelihoods!

just my $02 ... might be $.03 by now, lol

I mean… what does it say when a person is incapable of properly vetting a company they want to sign with to make sure its a good environment over and over again? And can't stay anywhere long enough to become a leader to make an environment a better one?

 

[Flipside]

I mean… what does it say when a person is incapable of properly vetting a company they want to sign with to make sure its a good environment over and over again? And can't stay anywhere long enough to become a leader to make an environment a better one?

it doesn't say anything about the person, imho ... it just indicates the engagement is not a good fit for either party, and a reminder that all in the US work/perform in at-will states, except for Montana

 

[freescooter]

A college coach is much more in control of the program than any pro coach. How long would Boone’s replacement last if he upset Judge?

Actually I think it varies among sports. If a new Yankee skipper wins the World Series people would say “Aaron Who?” If they are losing he’s gone. But actually I think in todays game in baseball the power rests with the gm more so than the manager.

And you might be right about basketball which is a plays league but I’d say that isn’t the case in football at all. There the coach has probably more control in most non-Jet teams. And it is variable in baseball but as I said the general manager is usually the power center.

But again, I don’t know why that would be a reason for a guy to be able to transfer.

 

[CL82]

I also think players should sign contracts. Both parties should be held to the same rules.

While I appreciate the egalitarian mindset, if the core principle you're working under is that college athletics ought to mimic the real world, then you need to recognize that in the real world there is a distinction between "bosses" and employees, or in this case perhaps "upper management" and employees.

 

[CL82]

"the fluid person"

Would this be the person responsible for transporting drug testing samples to the lab?

 

[nomar]

I like this but ONLY if the player can also transfer without sitting if his coach leaves.

That a coach could leave without consequence but his players couldn't was always the thing that enraged me about the "no transfer without sitting" rule.

 

[Scrutineer]

If this is solely about basketball development, then I agree ... I can be selfish like that as a fanatic, b/c I want 'keep' our players too

How many of those 3-4 year players went on to play in the NBA or other league professionally? ... isn't the average something like 2-3% of all college hoopers ever play pro?

If this about academics and shaping young athletes for non-basketball success (which is often a point, when convenient), then I disagree ... the person that went to 3 schools, arrives in a future deal or interview room w/ 3 different sets of experiences; risk taking, adversities, successes, uncertainties, failures, etc. ... vs. someone that went to just one.

I appreciate how college hoops has changed to finally give athletes the autonomy & piece of the pie they deserve, just like any other student.

I recall it's 1.6% of D-1 college players make the NBA but don't recall their average tenure.

 

[uconn_jack]

I’m in the super minority here but I actually don’t mind the unlimited transfers…

There are a million horror stories but just look at our program the last few years. Cam Spencer started at the low majors and worked his way into the NBA by outperforming and transferring up each step and finding the perfect fit. Mahaney tried to transfer up, realized it wasn’t a fit, and now he gets the chance to make something out of the rest of his career instead of rotting on the bench. We’re Koroma’s 4th team in 4 years, but he finally gets to experience the top level of college basketball. Even though it didn’t work out for Nahiem Alleyne at St John’s, at least he got the chance to play and show himself more than he would have here

What’s the point of limiting transfers other than punishing players? Feels like people are going after the portal to try to fix problems with NIL and tampering

 

[Spaceman213J]

I think graduate seniors should exempt for a second transfer. If they are able to graduate, then they have earned the right to move on. This would solve the Cam Spencer hypothetical.

I would also want to see a rule where if a coach leaves, players cannot follow them to the new school. If a coach is fired, that would be a different situation. It's not the coach's decision to leave the players.