New Playoff Format - ACC vs. Big East

[whaler11]

The only chance a big east team has is going undefeated period. I still don't know why they can't have conference champions play in a playoff format 6-8 teams. I guess that would be too easy to do. Smh this 4 teams is bs but it's a start. A 12-1 VT, FSU, Miami, USC, ND, Texas, Oklahoma, Lsu,Alabama, Florida, etc.. get in over an undefeated big east team. It's still all about who can bring in the $$$.

You'd need four 1 loss teams to keep an undefeated BE team out. Why doesn't the Big East have an undefeated team before anyone decides they get screwed.

 

[huskymedic]

The view from Joe Bailey...“@espn_bigeast: Q&A: Interim commissioner Joe Bailey http://post original url/bVFe90Tq”

Two of the points he makes:

1. Do you have any fears that a selection committee would pass over an undefeated Big East team over a one-loss team from one of the conferences with a better national perception, like the Big Ten, for example?

JB: No, I don't because at the end, the group is generally always smarter than the smartest person in the group. So normally speaking, a group ends up making the right decision. There's literally textbooks and everything based on that so consequently our feeling may be you might have a dissenter or two, but in the end the group has the best chance of making the right decision. I should also tell you the perception versus reality piece -- it is what it is. When I say that, I started my career as a player personnel scout, and I used to go around and evaluate players. But in the end, the people that actually are the most accurate graders of player performance were coaches that did nothing but look at film or tape, where all they did was concerned on exactly what happened during the course of a game. Sometimes they didn't even know what school the kid played for. At the end of the day, while they'll take into consideration strength of schedule, they'll look at performance on the field, and take all the noise out of the evaluation of a team's performance. That, I suspect, will ultimately be the way they operate. The other good thing about a committee -- they're concentrating on the teams and they're doing it over a long period of time over the course of a season. It's not as if there's some sort of randomness about it. They will see all the teams. So we think for a variety of reasons such as those, it will be a much more focused, concerted effort on the evaluation of teams and team performance. That's very good.

2. How do you respond to all the public comments from other commissioners that there is now a “Big 5” and the Big East is not a part of it?

JB: We see ourselves virtually the same as the ACC, and I would say to you that we haven't verbally expressed that perhaps as much as we should. But at the end, it's really about performance. The proof is in your ability to execute, and the notion of what other people say, that's the expectation market. The reality is how well you do, how well your teams perform, how well your coaches coach, how well your players play. That ultimately is the way the Big East is going to be judged going forward, and that's the way all conferences are going to be judged moving forward.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

The view from Joe Bailey...“@espn_bigeast: Q&A: Interim commissioner Joe Bailey http://post original url/bVFe90Tq”

Two of the points he makes:

1. Do you have any fears that a selection committee would pass over an undefeated Big East team over a one-loss team from one of the conferences with a better national perception, like the Big Ten, for example?

JB: No, I don't because at the end, the group is generally always smarter than the smartest person in the group. So normally speaking, a group ends up making the right decision. There's literally textbooks and everything based on that so consequently our feeling may be you might have a dissenter or two, but in the end the group has the best chance of making the right decision. I should also tell you the perception versus reality piece -- it is what it is. When I say that, I started my career as a player personnel scout, and I used to go around and evaluate players. But in the end, the people that actually are the most accurate graders of player performance were coaches that did nothing but look at film or tape, where all they did was concerned on exactly what happened during the course of a game. Sometimes they didn't even know what school the kid played for. At the end of the day, while they'll take into consideration strength of schedule, they'll look at performance on the field, and take all the noise out of the evaluation of a team's performance. That, I suspect, will ultimately be the way they operate. The other good thing about a committee -- they're concentrating on the teams and they're doing it over a long period of time over the course of a season. It's not as if there's some sort of randomness about it. They will see all the teams. So we think for a variety of reasons such as those, it will be a much more focused, concerted effort on the evaluation of teams and team performance. That's very good.

2. How do you respond to all the public comments from other commissioners that there is now a “Big 5” and the Big East is not a part of it?

JB: We see ourselves virtually the same as the ACC, and I would say to you that we haven't verbally expressed that perhaps as much as we should. But at the end, it's really about performance. The proof is in your ability to execute, and the notion of what other people say, that's the expectation market. The reality is how well you do, how well your teams perform, how well your coaches coach, how well your players play. That ultimately is the way the Big East is going to be judged going forward, and that's the way all conferences are going to be judged moving forward.

A couple of problems that I see.

First, who cares what Joe Bailey thinks? He won't be the commissioner in a matter of months.

Second, the Big East is getting creamed by the ACC in the PR battle. I mean absolutely destroyed. While Swofford is out in front microphones making the case for his league, Marinate and the BE offices are hanging billboards in Times Square. My head still hurts from all those posters who think that made one freaking iota worth of difference in national perception.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

2. How do you respond to all the public comments from other commissioners that there is now a “Big 5” and the Big East is not a part of it?

JB: We see ourselves virtually the same as the ACC, and I would say to you that we haven't verbally expressed that perhaps as much as we should. But at the end, it's really about performance. The proof is in your ability to execute, and the notion of what other people say, that's the expectation market. The reality is how well you do, how well your teams perform, how well your coaches coach, how well your players play. That ultimately is the way the Big East is going to be judged going forward, and that's the way all conferences are going to be judged moving forward.

Maybe I am nitpicking here, but I think that is the wrong answer. We shouldn't be trying to convince people that we are equal to the ACC, we should be making the case that we are better than the ACC. I know that is far from the public perception or the opinion of the 'experts' in college football...but we need to start laying some facts out on the table. Here is the scoreboard:

........................................................................................................................... BIG EAST .........................ACC.....................
Computer (unbiased) conference ranking over last 10 years .....................................X.............................................................
Bowl Performance over last 10 years.........................................................................X.............................................................
Historical BCS Performance......................................................................................X.............................................................
TV Markets Represented...........................................................................................X.............................................................
Public Relations...................................................................................................................................................X..................
Strenght of Commissioner....................................................................................................................................X..................
TV Alliances.........................................................................................................................................................X..................
Connections and Politics of College Football.........................................................................................................X..................
Public Perception.................................................................................................................................................X..................


In terms of actual performance and potential, the Big East is the superior conference. But interms of commisioner, PR, politics, hisotory and public perception, the ACC is the superior conference. We should shift the focus to the actual on-field performance and real facts.

 

[huskymedic]

A couple of problems that I see.

First, who cares what Joe Bailey thinks? He won't be the commissioner in a matter of months.

In the absence of others stepping up - I'll take what we can get right now

 

[businesslawyer]

Yup. And FWIW, I've been to the last 4 UConn bowl games and I had a better time at the 1st three. Loved Charlotte.

I'm hard pressed to believe that the head of the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce would prefer Charlotte to Scottsdale in late December.

but to each their own.

 

[huskypantz]

Here is the scoreboard that matters:

........................................................................................................................... BIG EAST .........................ACC.....................
Public Perception.................................................................................................................................................X..................

 

[pj]

Here is the scoreboard that matters:

........................................................................................................................... BIG EAST .........................ACC.....................
Public Perception.................................................................................................................................................X..................

Unfortunately, this is true. New games are played every year and the Big East's past success against the ACC does not predict future success. But TV contracts last ten years, and public perception and fan support lasts even longer. Those are lasting assets for the ACC.

 

[BlueMAB]

"JB: We see ourselves virtually the same as the ACC"

This is the wrong approach. We aren't virtually the same, top to bottom, we're better.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/32766/big-east-must-begin-to-sell-itself

"Going back to the first BCS game in 1999, the ACC is 2-13 all-time; The Big East is 8-6...
...The ACC has gotten two schools into the BCS just once, and that was this past season, when Clemson got embarrassed by a Big East school and Virginia Tech lost again."

"Since 2005, the Big East has had three teams finish the season with just one loss. Two of them -- Cincinnati and Louisville -- are remaining members. Let's add in future members, just for fun. That would give the Big East six more (Boise State 5, Houston 1). By comparison, the ACC has had zero teams finish with just one loss in the same time frame. "

He should be drilling this home in every interview he gives. Winning on the field isn't enough to change perceptions. You have to talk up the conference, especially when there are a couple key statistics as important as this.

It wouldn't hurt to mention that Saracuse/sPitt are a combined 45-65 against the Big East since 2004 (most recent alignment). On the field, our record vs. the ACC just improved by the those teams leaving.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I'm hard pressed to believe that the head of the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce would prefer Charlotte to Scottsdale in late December.

but to each their own.

New year's eve in Arizona for the Fiesta Bowl was freezing! Didn't it even flurry when we were out there?

 

[NEforceUConn]

The most imporant part of this decision hasn't been decided/announced yet. How the money is distributed is the key question that hasn't been answered yet. If the ACC gets a bigger share of the 'Final Four Money' pie than the NBE, then they have won. But otherwise, the NBE and ACC are in the same boat on this one.

Amen brother. The lack of info makes me 99% sure that money wise the NBE is screwed, but probably so are the ACC and ND.

 

[whaler11]

Quoting a bunch of stats that include Miami, VPI and WVU are hardly an argument. There is not a single team in the the league going forward who has won a BCS game in the BCS era but Boise State and they haven't even left their old league yet.

 

[jrazz12]

Quoting a bunch of stats that include Miami, VPI and WVU are hardly an argument. There is not a single team in the the league going forward who has won a BCS game in the BCS era but Boise State and they haven't even left their old league yet.

Louisville in 07. But the general point still stands

 

[huskymedic]

New year's eve in Arizona for the Fiesta Bowl was freezing! Didn't it even flurry when we were out there?

yup... the cab driver taking us to old town thought something was on fire and ash was falling. He never saw flurries before. Hell - snowed when we were in Toronto too...

Outside of the posible warmer weather in Glendale (BL know you are a golfer) - I liked the hominess of Charlotte as well.

 

[whaler11]

Louisville in 07. But the general point still stands

Yeah I remember Louisville after I hit post. Wake Forest right? Yeah I guess that counts technically.

 

[Srqhusky]

I think its great you had a good time at the Fiesta Bowl. My opinion on what it did for our program is different than yours and i'll leave it at that. I didn't take a shot at Edsall at all. I think he would tell you that the Fiesta Bowl appearance helped a ton in getting him that job.

The Best thing the Fiesta bowl did for UCONN was get Edsall the Job at Maryland. (There's a shot at Edsall) No PP no Whitmer, No Cochran.

Edsall had already interviewed and was signed, sealed and delivered before the fiesta bowl

 

[Waquoit]

Edsall had already interviewed and was signed, sealed and delivered before the fiesta bowl

You mean HCRE lied and we had a Maryland man coaching our team?

 

[Waquoit]

I'm hard pressed to believe that the head of the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce would prefer Charlotte to Scottsdale in late December.

but to each their own.

The weather was lousy in Glendale that weekend. I guess you missed the game. Meanwhile, UConn fans took over downtown Charlotte the night before the Car Care Bowl. Bar owners were quoted in the paper that UConn fans spent money and were good tippers. It was a great time.

 

[businesslawyer]

The weather was lousy in Glendale that weekend. I guess you missed the game. Meanwhile, UConn fans took over downtown Charlotte the night before the Car Care Bowl. Bar owners were quoted in the paper that UConn fans spent money and were good tippers. It was a great time.

I thought Charlotte was o.k. Saw the NBA game the night before and then hit a bar where a hundred UConn fans, including Big Red, were watching the end of UConn hoops on TV. Had a perfectly good time. Was only in Toronto about 24 hours but enjoyed that too.

And wouldn't look at either if I had a chance to go to Scottsdale. But again, that's just me. Anyone who enjoys Charlotte or Toronto in Winter more -- more power to you.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

And wouldn't look at either if I had a chance to go to Scottsdale. But again, that's just me. Anyone who enjoys Charlotte or Toronto in Winter more -- more power to you.

Hey! Don't forget Birmingham in January, it's just lovely!

 

[huskymedic]

Hey! Don't forget Birmingham in January, it's just lovely!

... And that was fine until the sun went down and then it got freaking chilly.

 

[whaler11]

Charlotte was a lot of fun. Toronto was fun in a different way. I did get to do shots with Alfred Fincher at 9 am in Charlotte - that was certainly fun.

Both of those places suck compared to Scottsdale in almost every way.

 

[mattp]

Yeah I remember Louisville after I hit post. Wake Forest right? Yeah I guess that counts technically.

it counts technically? . it counts. it just makes you look petty when you try to discredit it by adding "technically"

 

[whaler11]

it counts technically? . it counts. it just makes you look petty when you try to discredit it by adding "technically"

Ok whoooooo it counts. Committed league members have one BCS win. It's over Wake Forest. But certainly lets keep in the Miami games from a decade
ago when comparing the leagues.

 

[mattp]

i have to admit you're being generous calling Louisville a "committed" league member.

 

[businesslawyer]

Ok whoooooo it counts. Committed league members have one BCS win. It's over Wake Forest. But certainly lets keep in the Miami games from a decade
ago when comparing the leagues.

Wake won the ACC that year. Over Miami and FSU and Clemson.

It counts.

 

[whaler11]

i have to admit you're being generous calling Louisville a "committed" league member.

Committed when compared to Boise and sure Biz it counts, but not in the court of public opinion where so much of this exists.

 

[businesslawyer]

Committed when compared to Boise and sure Biz it counts, but not in the court of public opinion where so much of this exists.

In the court of public opinion, you are 100% correct.

But they won the ACC championship that year. Devaluing Louisville's win in the Orange Bowl is unfair to Louisville, unfair to Wake, unfair to reality and logic and not needed on this board. It's not Louisville's fault, or the Big East's, that the ACC sent a champion with a name on its jersey that didn't meet "the public's" standards.

 

[whaler11]

In the court of public opinion, you are 100% correct.

But they won the ACC championship that year. Devaluing Louisville's win in the Orange Bowl is unfair to Louisville, unfair to Wake, unfair to reality and logic and not needed on this board. It's not Louisville's fault, or the Big East's, that the ACC sent a champion with a name on its jersey that didn't meet "the public's" standards.

Ok ok. Can the next time someone posts the Big East record in BCS games and they include Miami and Virginia Tech can they get lectured too?

 

[Marty Jackson]

NBC will promote the Big East after it has Big East TV rights. They're not going to try to make the Big East more valuable before they have to pay its value.

Thinking the same thing when the "NBC Sports" logo popped up..
Although I do agree having vt, fsu, Clemson, and gt is a leg up on Boise, UofL, and cincy.