New PAC-12 Forming

[baggerbob]

Or since Dave already has a 4 game scheduling alliance with the ACC each year, maybe he should just go all in and make it 5 games
a year in FB like Notre Dame. Plus add a full ACC schedule for the rest of Uconn's sports.....😉 ( I don't think ESPN would mind )

Actually I like the idea. Would eliminate ACC teams from scheduling teams like Akron, Bowling Green, and others. Would strengthen the leagues scheduling for the upcoming new playoff seeding. And could end up with UConn eventually in. And you could go with a pod system in the other sports. Notre Dame, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Syracuse.

 

[Drew]

I don’t see an environment where Duke would still be around and once you remove them from the equation, what’s left is not much different from an AAC especially when other AAC schools would probably also backfill.

And ultimately it would be reflected in what tv networks would be willing to pay out which would be singularity less than what that league gets today.

i dont see Georgia Tech or Calford or Wake resonating much with this fanbase in any sport. Cuse and BC would. Pitt maybe.

And if the ACC left behind was worth moving towards great you can join PAC football only for now and get in ACC later.

If UConn is on the precipice of joining the Big 12 this is a very different conversation and I have no reason to believe they are

Where is Duke going? They are not adding $100M annually to the B1G or SEC and they sure as hell aren’t leaving the ACC to go play in the B12.

There is no objective measure by which the Zombie ACC is “not much different” than the AAC. Again, compare our football crowds against the ACC teams we have hosted to the AAC crowds we hosted. It’s not even close. These schools blow AAC schools out of the water with fan support, NIL budget, operating budget/support, stadium sizes, TV ratings, etc. Unless you are just saying you personally don't want to play Georgia Tech or NC State in men’s basketball and they’re not any different than ECU or Tulsa from your personal interest standpoint, which I’d argue is pretty ridiculous given historical athletics success and branding across the schools but is an opinion you’re allowed to hold.

 

[Fishy]

Blurb from D1Ticker.com (link brings you to the noted above paywalled article)

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He's an absolute imbecile.

Seriously - you cannot be stupider.

He wants the P12 to schedule an alliance with UConn so that it can "secure premium ESPN broadcasts." And there would be cartwheels about our women's team playing Oregon State, I guess. There's one problem.....

ESPN WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO AIR ANY OF THOSE MYTHICAL GAMES.

Fox owns our rights and their rights are owned by a mishmash of USA and CBSsports.

Also, dude, ESPN wouldn't pee on SDSU or Utah State if they were on fire.

But the plan is bulletproof past that.

 

[Fishy]

Where is Duke going? They are not adding $100M annually to the B1G or SEC and they sure as hell aren’t leaving the ACC to go play in the B12.

There is no objective measure by which the Zombie ACC is “not much different” than the AAC. Again, compare our football crowds against the ACC teams we have hosted to the AAC crowds we hosted. It’s not even close. These schools blow AAC schools out of the water with fan support, NIL budget, operating budget/support, stadium sizes, TV ratings, etc. Unless you are just saying you personally don't want to play Georgia Tech or NC State in men’s basketball and they’re not any different than ECU or Tulsa from your personal interest standpoint, which I’d argue is pretty ridiculous given historical athletics success and branding across the schools but is an opinion you’re allowed to hold.

Forget it. They've convinced themselves that somehow, someway, the Big Ten and SEC are gonna get an extra three quarters of a billion dollars a year to add ACC teams in five years. And then Duke leaves for the A10 or something. Not sure.

 

[Fishy]

Every single game on those schedules are exactly what we should be trying to schedule. Replacing Temple, Army, Buffalo and Rice with Utah State, Texas State, and Washington State wouldn’t do anything for us

Bingo.

 

[Hskies4Ever]

Every single game on those schedules are exactly what we should be trying to schedule. Replacing Temple, Army, Buffalo and Rice with Utah State, Texas State, and Washington State wouldn’t do anything for us

How are Buffalo and Wazzu the same? How are Boise and Rice the same?

The P4 games we have scheduled provide plenty of regionality. The move to PAC-12 beefs up the schedule, provides an opportunity for a conference championship, CFP pathway, CFP rev share, and millions in media rights $$$. Basketball no longer needs to subsidize football.

 

[uconndogs]

I'm just one fan and maybe indicative of nothing........but if we were to ever join the PAC in all sports I'm out. Makes no sense.

 

[Blades]

Actually I like the idea. Would eliminate ACC teams from scheduling teams like Akron, Bowling Green, and others. Would strengthen the leagues scheduling for the upcoming new playoff seeding. And could end up with UConn eventually in.

Not to go all CR board crazy, but it could be the closest plan to Uconn punching up in CR weight class for years, other than a full invite. Reverse engineer Notre Dame's ACC deal where they leveraged 5 games of FB to get in. (+ a full join if they ever give up Indy)

While Uconn does the opposite and leverages the hoops programs to get into the ACC. With a FB alliance, already playing 4 ACC games in 27-28 ( + full ACC membership rights of 1st refusal or phase in)... I like it way better than the Big 12's ( bad geography ) join us in hoops and we'll get back to you on FB. (and yeah I know the ACC will implode narative, etc. )

Wouldn't take alot other than negotiating a number......
It'd cost Uconn a now $15 million BE exit fee. Plus a sign off by ESPN to acquire the 3rd most watched MBB team in CBB this year. Could even tie in the FB rights too since we'd play a bunch of ACC games. As they say follow the money trail, somewhere between the Big East's $7.5 mil a year per team TV payout and the ACC's $45 mil could lie the truth.

OK, done with my Uconn/CR rant because I've seen this movie to many times!

 

[Kolumbo]

I wouldn't mind playing Wazzu, Oregon State, SDSU, Boise St. The first 2 were P5 and the second 2 were solid enough to be elevated, so that is one way to look at it. But it won't happen because it doesn't make sense. The worst part is some clowns will talk seriously about it and then the other clowns will say we were rejected by the lowly PAC 8

 

[KryHavok]

One of these doesn't belong...one of these is less an outlier and more of "you must be out of your GD mind to think this makes sense"

 

[NH Husky]

Personally I find the notion of PAC football only (at this time) very intriguing.
I could see the added funds going to boost our football program to make a run at the G6 playoff slot(s). They are showing their willingness to be creative in realignment. Perhaps they take up capturing NYC with a merge with the Big East (for the Northeast bball market) and grab a couple more Eastern football teams.
And, as many here think, if the ACC does collapse they’d be well positioned to pick up some teams from there. Getting StanCal back gives a decent west coast presence and ACC remnants for east coast.

 

[Exit 4]

Just curious- just how many pro p12 fanboys are regular fliers to locales west of the Mississippi? I do it enough for work to know it’s a serious drag. You don’t want to do it more than twice a quarter.

In the p12, all away games have 4 to 6hr flights.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

I'm just one fan and maybe indicative of nothing........but if we were to ever join the PAC in all sports I'm out. Makes no sense.

No need to worry. There is zero chance of that happening. Literally zero.

 

[3rdbass]

I'm just one fan and maybe indicative of nothing........but if we were to ever join the PAC in all sports I'm out. Makes no sense.

It is just football and 2-3 game basketball alliance for men's and women's BBall games. Our Olympic sports and full basetball would never move there. It is playing 4 football games in the west coast. Either we do this or wait it out hoping that what's left of the ACC or Big 12 want us.

 

[CTBasketball]

I don’t know if any of you have been to the extreme secondary stretches of the West Coast lately.

It’s shot.

This guy is clearly on drugs.

 

[buddy]

Or since Dave already has a 4 game scheduling alliance with the ACC each year, maybe he should just go all in and make it 5 games
a year in FB like Notre Dame. Plus add a full ACC schedule for the rest of Uconn's sports.....😉 ( I don't think ESPN would mind )

ESPN has been blocking UConn for more than a decade. I doubt they would support this. ESPN determines whether UConn is in or out. That has been clearly demonstrated, so unless someone (Lamont) can get ESPN to give the ACC a green light to take UConn, it is not happening. The PAC 12 thing is ridiculous.

 

[FightOnCT]

UConn has worked around football independence to the point where scheduling isn’t an issue. The PAC barely knows its media deal as is, and we wouldn’t even expect to be there for any longer than 5 years.

Not worth it

 

[ZooCougar]

Just curious- just how many pro p12 fanboys are regular fliers to locales west of the Mississippi? I do it enough for work to know it’s a serious drag. You don’t want to do it more than twice a quarter.

In the p12, all away games have 4 to 6hr flights.

Just flying to Portland or Seattle from KC is a massive PIA.

 

[Purple Stein]

Not gonna happen. Wilner is dreaming here - UConn basketball games are worth more than Pac12 football games. These two guys are Pac12 water carriers. Next.

My read is it's late April/early May and these guys have nothing else to talk about.

I'm glad they see UConn as a brand that can get them clicks.

 

[Blades]

ESPN has been blocking UConn for more than a decade.........ESPN determines whether UConn is in or out. The PAC 12 thing is ridiculous.

Agree.... along with a bunch of other factors......but just a decade ? I've been on the Boneyard since it's Rivals days back in 2003 and ACC's
CR 1.0.....And remember as BC's Flipper said years ago "it's the TV partners that tell em' what to do".

Pretty much all of CR is about what you can steal or leverage for TV deals. The main value for an ACC/ESPN or Big 12 poach of Uconn from FOX/BE is below. Yormark has been pushing a Uconn grab for that reason... I'm not not holding my breath on either, but I'd love to see a bidding war.

 

[BlueWolf25]

How are Buffalo and Wazzu the same? How are Boise and Rice the same?

The P4 games we have scheduled provide plenty of regionality. The move to PAC-12 beefs up the schedule, provides an opportunity for a conference championship, CFP pathway, CFP rev share, and millions in media rights $$$. Basketball no longer needs to subsidize football.

If the new rule is implemented, we’ll have access to the CFP because it’s no longer the highest ranked G6 conference champ, but instead the highest ranked G6 team.

Road trips to G6 schools like Buffalo, Temple, ODU, and USF are infinitely better for us than making 4 trips out west per year. Also, it would likely be those P4 regional games we’d be losing to play a PAC-12 schedule. We have 4 or 5 scheduled in each of the next few years, you’d have to cut at least half of those. Give me Pitt, UNC and Cuse over Boise and Wazzu all day. (Also we literally just scheduled a home and home with Rutgers, don’t think we’d be filling out our schedules if a move to the PAC-12 was imminent)

As for the added $$$ yes that would help. But that comes with more travel costs. We’ve had Utah State, Fresno, and Wyoming at the Rent in recent years. No juice to hosting those teams, it would likely hurt attendance. Benedict is fighting for more CFP rev share, we’ll see what happens there

 

[CL82]

ESPN has been blocking UConn for more than a decade. I doubt they would support this. ESPN determines whether UConn is in or out. That has been clearly demonstrated, so unless someone (Lamont) can get ESPN to give the ACC a green light to take UConn, it is not happening. The PAC 12 thing is ridiculous.

I don't know that they've been blocking anyone. They just haven't been willing to pony up for us, at least until the last big 12 dalliance, were they'd only be putting up for 50% of our potential games.

 

[Fishy]

The travel would not be great. So many teams look bad when they travel coast to coast.

You'd think that would be obvious but here we are.

How are Buffalo and Wazzu the same? How are Boise and Rice the same?

The P4 games we have scheduled provide plenty of regionality. The move to PAC-12 beefs up the schedule, provides an opportunity for a conference championship, CFP pathway, CFP rev share, and millions in media rights $$$. Basketball no longer needs to subsidize football.

This is wildly naive.

If you think a move to the P12 in football makes it revenue neutral, you're so far off the reservation that you will never find your way back. Their conference rights deal is a joke....USA, the CW and CBSsports? And they have to pick up production costs on some of it? It's a pure dog.

And then we have to buy our way out of the Pitt series, the Syracuse series, the Duke series, the Temple series, and an Army game at minimum because y'all think we're gonna make more money selling tickets for Fresno, Texas State and the rest of that Dollar Store scrapple conference.

 

[whiffnutmeg]

Dollar Store scrapple conference.

Didn’t think I’d laugh so hard at that but here we are. Think I’ll start calling it that now.

 

[jostar1]

 

[NEforceUConn]

Man is that stupid

 

[FightOnCT]

Automatic decline. No way you can post this

 

[Dooooooomed]

Ya, I was willing to consider it until seeing that.

 

[buddy]

I don't know that they've been blocking anyone. They just haven't been willing to pony up for us, at least until the last big 12 dalliance, were they'd only be putting up for 50% of our potential games.

Isn't that the same as blocking? They could easily pay the 100%

 

[CL82]

Isn't that the same as blocking? They could easily pay the 100%

No, it isn't. Say for example you wanna sell me your 2000 Chevy Cavalier for $100,000. Just because I don't want to buy it doesn't mean I'm blocking you from selling it. It is a perception of value issue.