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No matter if we are a 1 or 2, I believe our best bet is to be hooked up with Texas. They are terribly inconsistent, even in their winning. Stay away from ND and UCLA. Love to be with USC.
 
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UConn Usurps South Carolina's Top Spot in New NCAA Women's Basketball NET Rankings

UCONN is ranked #1 on this NCAA seeding tool. Does that mean if we sweep our last games, we're the #1 seed?

No but it helps. Both that and the betting odds help our chances to sneak in as the last #1 seed IMO. If you assume Texas and UCLA win their conference tournaments, then that means South Carolina, LSU and USC have to lose at least one more time.

We don't have any more opportunities for a big win before seeding, but three of the top 7 have to lose by then. Two in the SEC and one in the BIG10 because of their tournaments. We can't expect to pass the conference tournament winner in the SEC or BIG10, but the top contenders that lose in those two tournaments are in play . Notre Dame probably wins the ACC and secures another number1 seed, but the fourth spot is up for grabs.

The BIG 12 doesn't have a dominant enough team to jump to that consideration, so the 4th top seed is presumably either Uconn or a team that lost in their conference tournament. At that point the betting odds and NET rating could work in our favor. We have to win out and look good doing it, but a top seed is not impossible because we will get help against at least three of the top seven.
 
No but it helps. Both that and the betting odds help our chances to sneak in as the last #1 seed IMO. If you assume Texas and UCLA win their conference tournaments, then that means South Carolina, LSU and USC have to lose at least one more time.

As has been noted numerous times on the board:

Quality losses have little to no impact on your resume.
 
No matter if we are a 1 or 2, I believe our best bet is to be hooked up with Texas. They are terribly inconsistent, even in their winning. Stay away from ND and UCLA. Love to be with USC.
I would rather see UConn play Texas or UCLA in the final if at all. The only thing UConn can't do is defend a tall team and both of those teams can put a real big lineup on the floor and both of them have the guard play to offset the press. Best matchup for me is ND and second is USC (mostly because they have the weakest coach) where UConn has played them earlier in the season and should be confident that they would win at full strength.
 
UConn Usurps South Carolina's Top Spot in New NCAA Women's Basketball NET Rankings

UCONN is ranked #1 on this NCAA seeding tool. Does that mean if we sweep our last games, we're the #1 seed?

No, but it does mean they will get the max points that part of the selection process offers. It could mean the difference between being a 1 or a 2, but I really think a lot depends on what happens in the tournaments where UConn has an advantage over all the other teams. I can't see any situation where they lose another game and UCLA and USC could lose two since they play each other to finish the season and would have to win in the tournament too. Texas will at least need to make the final of the SEC to hold a 1 seed and the same is true for LSU or SC where they could jump over UConn..
 
No matter if we are a 1 or 2, I believe our best bet is to be hooked up with Texas. They are terribly inconsistent, even in their winning. Stay away from ND and UCLA. Love to be with USC.
Exactly.
 
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Unless something really changes after the season ends on Sunday then something drastic happens in tournament play UConn will be the best #2 seed. The Big 10 has a lot in play. If either USC or UCLA win on Sunday then win their tournament one of them drops to a #2 Seed. Texas would need to win out. If games play out this way then UConn can jump to the fourth #1 seed. Even if this does happen then the Two line would have Southern California or UCLA; South Carolina and LSU. Plus, TCU. Teams 9-16 don’t really matter.
 
How is South Carolina still a number 1 seed in bracketology? They are ranked 6th in all polls, yet they jump over USC and UCONN. Charley Creme is so biased. Thought?
 
As has been noted numerous times on the board:

Quality losses have little to no impact on your resume.
Don't they impact your résumé negatively?

For what it's worth, it's important to keep in mind that odds makers Try to position the odds so that there's an equal amount of people taking either side of a bet. In our case, our name recognition, and tournament history, means that people reflectively are inclined to bet on us so there isn't much of a need for Vegas to incentivize people putting money on us. Vegas' odds are better indicator of where people are betting than how a team will actually do
 
Unless something really changes after the season ends on Sunday then something drastic happens in tournament play UConn will be the best #2 seed. The Big 10 has a lot in play. If either USC or UCLA win on Sunday then win their tournament one of them drops to a #2 Seed. Texas would need to win out. If games play out this way then UConn can jump to the fourth #1 seed. Even if this does happen then the Two line would have Southern California or UCLA; South Carolina and LSU. Plus, TCU. Teams 9-16 don’t really matter.
—UConn is probably #6 overall right now and would only have a chance to move up if someone ahead of them takes a BAD loss (i.e. not to another top 5 team).

—USC and UCLA won't drop below us in the seeding just for losing to each other.

—Texas doesn't need to win out.
 
Creme does not put forth his opinion, it is what he predicts the ncaa committee will do.

SC great win for UConn and a big win. SC ,however, has many more wins over other ranked teams than UConn and #1 strength of schedule.

Similarly, should Tenn be ranked ahead of UConn? No, they have 6 other losses.

We can see if Charlie is right with upcoming ncaa committee reveal.

Most important still many games to be played, and the real final bracket is the one that counts.:D
 
It has been discussed ad nauseam on the BY that AP ranking is not a consideration for the selection committee.
 
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Don't they impact your résumé negatively?

For what it's worth, it's important to keep in mind that odds makers Try to position the odds so that there's an equal amount of people taking either side of a bet. In our case, our name recognition, and tournament history, means that people reflectively are inclined to bet on us so there isn't much of a need for Vegas to incentivize people putting money on us. Vegas' odds are better indicator of where people are betting than how a team will actually do

You're talking about betting odds. I'm talking about the committee seedings. They are not the same.
 
Don't they impact your résumé negatively?
The negative impact of a “quality loss” is mostly in the opportunity cost of having missed out on a chance to enhance the resume with a high-quality win. But the committee's been pretty clear that losing to a top team does not cause you to drop below another team that is only beating lesser teams.
 
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Again, it's helpful to keep in mind the Quad 1 records of the top 7 teams:

UCLA 10-1
Texas 11-2
South Carolina 11-3
USC 9-2
Notre Dame 6-3
UConn 4-3
LSU 6-2
 
You're talking about betting odds. I'm talking about the committee seedings. They are not the same.
Exactly. Vegas odds have nothing to do with potential tournament seedings.
 
Doesn't the NET measurement take account of margin-of-victory (MOV)? Can the committee consider that? More specifically, if highly ranked Team A loses to highly ranked Team B, it might not matter much to either team's tournament seeding, but if that loss is by 29 points on Team A's home court, doesn't that make it more important to both teams' seeding than a single digit loss would be?

I know that the NCAA does not want to incentivize blowouts when strong teams play weaker teams, but a blowout win or loss against another strong team is a different story, or should be. And home vs. away should also matter in evaluating whether a loss is a "good loss", and therefore insignificant to seeding.
 
I would rather see UConn play Texas or UCLA in the final if at all. The only thing UConn can't do is defend a tall team and both of those teams can put a real big lineup on the floor and both of them have the guard play to offset the press. Best matchup for me is ND and second is USC (mostly because they have the weakest coach) where UConn has played them earlier in the season and should be confident that they would win at full strength.
In retrospect, UConn has not played a team with real BIGS this year. Losses to ND, USC and TN, of which the latter 2 were close - all relatively small athletic lineups. Actually the win against SC was a more traditional game with post action allowing Jana to play in the paint where she does relatively well. So, allow me some conjecture here that we just might do better against TX and UCLA than say ND who scares me the most.
 
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Doesn't the NET measurement take account of margin-of-victory (MOV)? Can the committee consider that? More specifically, if highly ranked Team A loses to highly ranked Team B, it might not matter much to either team's tournament seeding, but if that loss is by 29 points on Team A's home court, doesn't that make it more important to both teams' seeding than a single digit loss would be?

I know that the NCAA does not want to incentivize blowouts when strong teams play weaker teams, but a blowout win or loss against another strong team is a different story, or should be. And home vs. away should also matter in evaluating whether a loss is a "good loss", and therefore insignificant to seeding.
The NET doesn't take MOV into account per se, but one of its two components is “adjusted net efficiency” (offensive points per possession minus defensive points per possession, adjusted for opponent strength and game location). So this component does reflect the difference between a dominant win and a narrow one.

Also, one of the committee's listed criteria is “competitive in losses”.
 
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I don't know how to feel about this. Normally my goal would be to avoid South Carolina at all costs, but given our last matchup against them, is it a bad thing this year?
 
Charlie Creme's bracketology has the #3 seeds as Duke, North Carolina, TCU, & Kentucky.
He has #3 seed TCU in #2 seed UCONN's bracket. But the Huskies would be double digit favorites vs. any of those #3 seed teams.
 
I know, I know the AP poll doesn’t count for much but still: UConn has lost to #3 Notre Dame, #6 So Cal and #11 Tennessee. Notre Dame has lost to #9 NC State, #10 TCU(they were #17 when ND lost to them!) and #28 Utah. Quite a difference in rankings. I like our chances against ND with both squads near full strength.
 
I know, I know the AP poll doesn’t count for much but still: UConn has lost to #3 Notre Dame, #6 So Cal and #11 Tennessee. Notre Dame has lost to #9 NC State, #10 TCU(they were #17 when ND lost to them!) and #28 Utah. Quite a difference in rankings. I like our chances against ND with both squads near full strength.
It’s a difference, yes, but more than offset by the quality of ND’s wins over Texas, USC and UConn. Our best wins after SC are North Carolina and Ole Miss.
 
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